Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 March 4

= March 4 =

Draft:Joseph Walter Mountin
Help -- I am new to Wikipedia, so I figured there may be some formatting issues. Below is the reason given for the rejection. I am unclear on what it means to set off the headings with nowiki. In addition, in the references there is a formatting concern because the journal listing is for November-December 1993. I think there is an issue with the two months, but I could not find anything in any of the editing tips on how to list a date like that. Can you help?

Why have all of the level 2 headings been set off with nowiki, which prevents them from rendering as headings. Correct formatting. Fix errors in references. NPHICTom (talk) 00:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Tom


 * Looks as if the errors have been fixed with this edit. Eagleash (talk) 00:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Please delete this article: Mohammed Ali (entrepreneur).
Can someone put this article -- Mohammed Ali (entrepreneur) -- up for deletion discussion? I think it's called "AfD". I don't know how to get that ball rolling. Also, I can't believe that that article has not been deleted yet! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Joseph, if you have Twinkle turned on, you can pull down the TW menu and click on XFD. It will do the AFD process for you. Dismas |(talk) 02:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But I didn't understand a word you just said.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have Twinkled it to AFD here: Articles for deletion/Mohammed Ali (entrepreneur).--ukexpat (talk) 02:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:TWINKLE is a user script that makes pretty much every maintenance task so much easier. You can turn it on from your preferences. Preferences -> Gadgets -> Twinkle (under Browsing). Once turned on it will add a TW tab on the toolbar at the top to every article. Under there will be a button that says XFD. That button will cause a popup where you can fill out your deletion reasoning and category for the AfD. When you click Submit Query the script will create all the pages for you, tag the article with a deletion notice, and tranclude the discussion to the main AfD page. Basically, I would not do anything complicated if it wasn't for Twinkle. You can do everything from AfD an article, to request protection, to speedy tag an article with one of the CSD criteria. I highly recommend it for anyone that is planning on sticking around. --Majora (talk) 02:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll check it out. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for preemptively answering the question I came here to ask... and the followup questions I didn't know I'd have. :) Permstrump (talk) 07:00, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * No offence meant, I found it rather surprising that you haven't come across Twinkle having been on Wikipedia for nearly ten years. Anyway, Twinkle is very handy and helps with many tasks where you would otherwise be copying and pasting templates across multiple pages, whereas Twinkle would automatically add templates and user messages all at once quickly. Given that you have made so many edits without the aid of this automated tool it should be able to increase your work efficiency by a lot. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. No, I never heard of that term (Twinkle) until just now.  But I will look into it further and read up on it.  I only make "normal" edits in Wikipedia.  I never really use templates.  That's probably the reason why.  Thanks a lot!   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

fix this
I have spent 30 minutes trying to set up an account, every username sounds like another. (wtf!) this is impossible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.224.107 (talk) 02:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Use Special:ListUsers to see if a name you want is already taken. Try coming up with a user name that is very different from the other ones you've been trying, or adding something to one of the user names you've already tried.  Ian.thomson (talk) 03:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There are 28 million accounts. Special:Log/newusers shows new ones are created every minute so the system seems to be working fine. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Image Question
So I have been trying to find an image for Omar Espinosa's wikipedia page and I came across this picture. http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/45952.gif I tried a reverse image seach and it doesn't apper anywear else online. Is it safe to upload to wiki?  Teddy2Gloves (talk) (contribs)  05:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly not. Someone somewhere owns the copyright in that photo, and unless you can find evidence that they have released it under a licence acceptable to Wikipedia, we can't assume that it has been.  Also, this page says "The content from Rankopedia is allowed for personal use, under the United States Copyright Law", which isn't good enough for our needs.  All images must be released for all uses (with attribution).  Rojomoke (talk) 06:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I would add: for all types of users (i.e. for personal, for public and for commercial use) and in the whole world (so it must be stated explicitly; any implicit or presumed conditions specific for some country's law do not suffice, as they may not apply in other countries). --CiaPan (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

editing a page
Hey Wikipedia,

Crazy question. I was looking on the red hot chili peppers californication album page to remember a guy's name i worked on the record with and i looked at the album credits and my name is missing. my name is louie mathieu my credit on the record was Our Man Louis "Make It So" Mathieu and it appeared above Lindsay Chase. I'm trying to figure out why I'm on the credits at discogs but not on wikipedia. was i edited out or was it an oversight by whoever 1st created the page? any insight you guys would provide would be appreciated. thanks, louie--45.48.185.18 (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell the page was created without the name being included. Inclusion may depend on the extent of the involvement with the album. And we'd need a WP:RS verifiable source. Eagleash (talk) 11:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Here are some sources, found with Google :
 * http://www.antartica.cl/antartica/servlet/LibroServlet?action=fichaLibro&id_libro=175460
 * https://www.discogs.com/Red-Hot-Chili-Peppers-Californication/release/2523139
 * https://linbee.home.xs4all.nl/export/details/11083.html
 * Not sure, however, if they're reliable enough... --CiaPan (talk) 11:46, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The name does appear in all three sources. Perhaps someone from some facet of the music project might be able to comment as to reliability. Thus, I have posted here Eagleash (talk) 14:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have got the CD somewhere in theory though my stepdaughter has borrowed it a few times so who knows where it is now ... anyway, if I find it and you're on it (and I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't be), I can cite the CD liner notes using which is perfectly acceptable per our verifiability policy. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  15:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Adding external links
Hi,

I am trying to add external links to finding aids of individuals whose materials are being held in Special Collections at UWG. I have only added two links but now it will not let me add more. Instead it is directing me to read up on if my external links could be spam, which I did. Can anyone help me with this issue? The links I am adding would be beneficial for anyone looking into doing research on these individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UWGSpecColl (talk • contribs) 14:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding links to holdings of individual libraries is generally not necessary. This is because we have templates that link to the most important library classification services (WorldCat, Library of Congress, VIAF, and so on). This is typically done via the Template:Authority control template. For example, look for the "Authority control" box at the very bottom of the article Newt Gingrich. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on List of ice hockey teams in Alberta
Reference help requested.

I'm confused as to what error it created? Can you please shed some light on this? Thanks!

Thanks, Rabbit Hill Beer (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , it was fixed in this edit.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:16, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

John Wayne
In John Wayne's page I did not see (or maybe I missed it) one film he was in which for me was a great film "In Harms Way". If its there then I'm sorry to have bothered you; if not then perhaps someone can put it in, Thank you, sincerely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.116.118.124 (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * See John Wayne filmography. It's there.   General Ization   Talk   17:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note it's called In Harm's Way with an apostrophe. Your browser can probably search a page for a string with . PrimeHunter (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Uechi-Ryu--Help with Edit War
Sorry to bother, but a user: Special:Contributions/32.97.110.58 keeps changing the order of the Major Organization section without explanation. I reverted the edit and requested this person discuss it on the Talk page for Uechi-Ryu. I also asked for a more senior member to vet the situation, but nothing has happened.

As I explain on the Talk It is very subjective which organization "is more bigger important awesome" than another. For example, currently, the first organization listed is very small, the third is bigger than the second and the first, but advocates of the fifth could argue their organization is bigger than all of them!

I am not aware of a way to OBJECTIVELY resolve such fights, but I would like it to end. Otherwise, I fear members of every organization could potentially play with the order to satisfy whatever personal agenda they have. "My organization is ONLY 13th?! IT'S TOTALLY 11th!!!!"

For the record, I have not ordered/re-ordered the organizations based on what I think since that is not objective and the situation changes.98.227.140.14 (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the article in question Uechi-ryū? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Read the dispute resolution policy. Discuss on the article talk page.  If that discussion is inconclusive, follow one of the dispute resolution procedures listed in the policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and I did. The discussion on the Talk Page has been ignored. I had hoped to avoid advancing this further but if that is appropriate, I shall do that. Thanks!98.227.140.14 (talk) 22:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

display quirk on ipad
In Addison Baker, is the following: B-24 Liberator (Serial 42-40994). It appears as expected on my desktop browser. But on an ipad with Safari and either desktop or mobile view, the serial number appears as a bluelink and the ipad thinks it is a phone number and asks if you want to call it if you select the link. I'm not sure if this is within the scope of Wikipedia or is a technical issue that should be referred elsewhere. MB (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * This is an iPad issue, or Safari issue, and has nothing directly to do with WP. I've often seen the same thing. deisenbe (talk) 22:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Illegal use of Wikipedia content?
I discovered a book site that takes Wikipedia articles and prints them as books on demand for $32. Doesn't that violate terms of use? It's found on ABEbooks as Book on Demand, Miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.244.29 (talk) 19:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is published under a free license (CC-BY-SA 3.0) that permits reuse, even commercially, under some conditions. The only conditions are that the text is attributed to Wikipedia and its contributors (mentioning the original URL will do), that any derivatives of Wikipedia content are released under a similar free license (commercial publishing is still possible), and that the license is mentioned and its text made available (again, mentioning "CC-BY-SA 3.0" and mentioning the URL to the license text will do). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * But anyone paying $32, to order something, which will probably be out of date by the time they receive it, when they can printout the latest version themselves for nothing, has "more money than sense" - Arjayay (talk) 21:44, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Listing multiple geographic coordinates?
What's the approved way of adding multiple geographic coordinates to an entry? My use case would be St. Peter, Leipzig. The church was moved to a new building in 1885 or so. The German Wikipedia splits the article up into two, one for the old church and one for the new church, but the English Wikipedia has a single page which covers both. The coordinates current in the article are for the new building, and I'm wondering what the best way is to add the coordinates for the old building to the English language article. -- 160.129.138.186 (talk) 20:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * See St Edmund Church, Godalming for a technique I used for multiple sets of coordinates (10, in this case, but would also work for two). I don't know if this is the best or most appropriate way to do it, though.   Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  20:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, as of now you can only mention them in the text. Infobox_church currently does have an ability to show the second set of coordinates, although this option is probably worth implementing. Ruslik_ Zero 20:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

You tube
When you are on YouTube and are trying to write a comment it sometimes says that channel does not exist just ignore that and carry on with your reasearch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:422A:7D00:F81E:AB99:E5EC:53CC (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Try asking at the Reference Desk; the Help Desk is for questions about editing Wikipedia. -- Nataly a  21:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Austrian painters
Why is not Adolf Hitler on the list of austrian Painters, or artists? He is the only one people know, this is history whith washing at it`s very best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE0:C911:A3E0:B95C:3D9D:3C30:EB75 (talk) 20:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Just because Hitler could paint, that doesn't make him a notable painter. He was notable for many things, being a painter isn't one of them. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The IP has a point: there certainly seems to be adequate coverage to establish that Hitler is notable as a painter (though he may not have been during his lifetime). He is, of course, notable for other things as well, and it's an open question whether he would have been notable for his painting (which seems to have mostly been mediocre) alone, but it doesn't quite cut it to simply say he isn't notable as a painter; the linked Google search will show otherwise.  I'd say he should be added, and have done (at List of Austrian artists and architects).  General Ization   Talk   22:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know - a similar Google search would show many mentions of George W. Bush being a painter and Barack Obama being a golfer - but surely neither of those is notable in those fields. Similarly they're both husbands and fathers, but are not particularly noteworthy examples as such, even though their spouses and children are frequently mentioned.  They're merely newsworthy for pretty much anything they do because of their primary occupation.  Rwessel (talk) 07:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * In all three cases mentioned above, their primary occupation is or was head of state, and heads of state are always notable, but usually only as heads of state. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * In Herr Hitler's case, though, he was a painter – even at one time making a (very poor) living from it – long before he was a head of state. I believe there has been scholarly speculation as to what would have happened if his applications to Vienna's Academy of Fine Arts had not been turned down. More popularly, there's also the novel The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad who supposed that Hitler emigrated to the USA as a young man, had a career painting covers for pulp magazines and then wrote science fantasy novels, including Lord of the Swastika which comprises the bulk of Spinrad's novel. (The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.66.243.108 (talk) 23:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but they don't have a page on Wikipedia dedicated to their artwork, whereas Hitler does: at Paintings by Adolf Hitler, created in early 2012. Having survived this long, this page should lead us to presuppose that Hitler's artwork is notable and hence that Hitler should be considered a notable artist.  Also, to my knowledge, neither George W. Bush nor Barack Obama have sold a set of paintings for $450,000, the price paid at auction for 14 Hitler paintings, watercolors, and drawings in 2015.   General Ization   Talk   00:11, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that gets us *partially* there - but I'm sure at least a considerable part of any interest in Hitler's painting is that it is a painting by Hitler, not because of any merits it has as art. There's a lively(?) market in (usually pretty bad) art by criminals, particularly nasty ones.  John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, etc. have items being listed for multiple thousands of dollars sites like http://supernaught.com/.  Surely that's not justification for including them in a similar list.  Rwessel (talk) 05:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, interestingly, note this quote from the ArtNet article I linked above: "In an Oct 30, 1939, article in Life magazine, Hitler reportedly told a British ambassador at the time, 'I am an artist and not a politician.' He continued, 'Once the Polish question is settled, I want to end my life as an artist.'"  General Ization  Talk   00:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Why was my article deleted?
The article Brutal Raps 1: Sex and lies was proposed for speedy deletion because it was "promotional". I responded that there was nothing to promote: the album is long out of print; the publsher long vanished, and I personally have no connection with the album or anyone on it. I thought that WP wanted to include every CD released commercially, or at least every important one. But despite my reply it was deleted.

Now, if the deleter said it was "not significant" or "not documented" that would be different. But "promotional" seems loony to me. I don't know what if anything to do. Advice or explanation sought. Thank you.

It's very discouraging to have one's work deleted, and summarily at that. Please see my personal page where all my WP activities are collected. deisenbe (talk) 22:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * According to Brutal Raps 1: Sex & Lies, the administrator who deleted this article was TomStar81. You should post a message on his user talk page and discuss the matter with him.  If you ask, he may restore the article to a userspace draft, where you can work on it without fear of deletion.  Usually, promotional articles are deleted because they use peacock language, such as "acclaimed" or "legendary".  For example, the article is likely to be deleted if you write, "The legendary band's first album, which features the acclaimed producer Producer X, was released in 1990 to universal acclaim.  Billboard magazine raved about the amazing lyrics."  However, the article will not be deleted if you instead write, "The band released its first album, featuring Producer X, in 1990.  It sold 100,000 copies and received a positive review in Billboard magazine, which highlighted the lyrics."  I can't see the deleted article, so this is obviously just generic advice. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The content that seems most promotional was the following (entirely unsourced):  Never reprinted, never continued, and unavailable in 2016 in digital form, it has a become a cult item. Most of its tracks are unavailable in any other format, and most of the artists are all but unknown. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  16:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Uploading a photo to a new page
I would like to add a photo to a Wikipedia page that is in for review. It is a U.S. Army photo from their website which they allow use of for informational websites. I am confused by the online instructions, so I am looking for someone to help me get the photo into the "box" at the top of the entry.Grhynedance (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Can we see the photo and the website? Works by U.S. federal employees, including soldiers, are sometimes but not always in the public domain. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, since I sent this note, I found a different photo uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I don't know how to share that with you, but I am happy to try. it is located at File:HunzekerKennethW-ACU 2007-08.JPG.Grhynedance (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Then add "HunzekerKennethW-ACU 2007-08.JPG" (without the quotes) in the infobox after the image parameter and the image will appear there. Be sure to also add a caption (using the caption parameter).  General Ization   Talk   00:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank youGrhynedance (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * And by the way,, to refer (and link) to an image file here without acually diaplaying it, put its full name in double brackets with an initial colon, so File:HunzekerKennethW-ACU 2007-08.JPG displays as File:HunzekerKennethW-ACU 2007-08.JPG. --ColinFine (talk) 08:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)