Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 May 21

= May 21 =

Request for Review
Is there a way to request a review of an article? I have just heavily edited Point Walter and I would like to see it being upgraded from Stub-Class.

Thanks - JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Some WikiProjects maintain pages on assessment and take requests for reassessments. Point Walter is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, and their assessments page is here: WikiProject Australia/Assessment. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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How to encrypt a wikipedia articles UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 04:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no need to encrypt articles on Wikipedia. Judging by the messages on your talk page, you need to do some reading on what Wikipedia is and what it isn't. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You are welcome to download any Wikipedia articles and to encrypt them for your own use, but any encrypted material that is saved in Wikipedia space will be immediately deleted because that is not what Wikipedia is here for.   D b f i r s   18:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Paradesi Jews
Reference help requested.

Thanks, Davvidlevi (talk) 04:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, your edit here seems to have produced the ref errors as it was at that point that the large red letters appeared in the references section. You have removed a 'base' ref (I.e. ) whilst leaving subsequent 'secondary' refs in place with nothing for them to refer to. Fixed by restoring the full reference to the first instance of each ref name. I might also suggest that some reading up on formatting references might help. If you've not seen it already WP:REFB would be a good place to start. Eagleash (talk) 10:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Deleted Article about prominent Chicago Architect / Want to resubmit without involving :UserJohnCD /Need feedback
Dear staff at Wikipedia, Wikipedia users, and Help Desk,

Two years ago my sandbox article I was working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox was deleted. The sandbox was a work in progress for many years.

I was a novice to Wikipedia, and was not aware of the proper deletion review process, nor Wikipedia guidelines, nor rules. Instead of working with me the man that deleted my research and sandbox, decided to do the exact opposite.

I feel a good part of my very legitimate and accurate research was entirely dismissed and deleted by :UserJohnCD.

I realize the second part of my article; which I could see be considered as WP:COATRACK or WP:FRINGEDRAFT by readers. However, that being said that was not a reason to delete the entire article or at least suggestion that I edit it.

The article I was working on, in it entirety, was deleted.

User:Binksternet first flagged my draft by claiming the article was WP:COATRACK, and abandoned. I never abandoned the article.

User:JohnCD stated that it contained material which UserJohnCd objected to referencing WP:FRINGEDRAFT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnCD

User:JohnCd called the author's work and research bogus, and slurs such "crackpot," paranoid", and wild" etc. were used as justification for deleting the entire draft.

While :UserJohnCD had his opinions on the draft such brash words were unnecessary and not professional. I don't see why neither of them assisted and guided a newbie at Wikipedia, instead of taking such totalitarian actions. They could have assisted in order to keep the  biography part of article which is all based on facts. I think they should have acted in a kinder manner - instead of being so harsh to a first time user.

The sandbox had been up since 2010, while I continued to do research. :UserJohnCD decided to delete the whole sandbox.

Instead of suggesting I remove the subjects that might be considered by some "conspiracy, WP:FRINGEDRAFT"; USER:JohnCD deleted the whole sandbox stating on his final :talk, "The sandbox work will never yield a notable biography for Wikipedia."

The article in question may have contained material that would be considered "conspiracy" by USER:JohnCD and others.

However, the first part of the article was dedicated to the Church Architect William M Cooley, whom USER:JohnCD called a "purported Architect."

I see no reason why :UserJohnCD, instead of hashing out insults like "crackpot" and "paranoid," did not just work with the author to assist in keeping the vast majority of the article which was the biography of William M Cooley. He could have suggested revising the article to remove anything he deemed as "paranoid" or "crackpot." Perhaps even recommend a place where I could get other more experienced Wikipedia users to assist me.

In other words, why delete the whole article on a whim?

I would like to resubmit and article about Church Architect William M Cooley, without material that might fall under "fringe."

However here it states that I have to do so with :JohnCD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1

"A page with this title has previously been deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below."

I do not feel comfortable contacting the deleting adminstrator :JohnCD, as I feel he was not only biased, but unfair. He has not only called the author's research paranoid, and numerous other derogatory terms. But most importantly, dismissed the actual biography of said Church Architect William M Cooley. He did so just because he did not like the second part of the article, and failed to do his own research - even stating that the architect was a "purported" architect.

For USER:JohnCD to have deleted all the research, including what would be considered "nonfringe" seems to be overkill.

Years of research at the Chicago Museum of History, hundred's of old newspaper articles, ancestry research, old radio clips, and even emails research from law enforcement went into the draft of the biography. Furthermore, my account was deleted as well.

Now six years later I would like to submit a new article about William M Cooley architect, without anything "fringe".

As he was not a "purported" architect as user :JohnCD suggests. He was a real engineer and architect who worked on hundred's of churches in Chicago and around the United States, and no biography exists of him till this day. He was an amazing and important historical figure in Chicago's history.

I question how :UserJohnCD would come to such a totalitarian reason to delete the whole draft article.

The first part contained a biography which was in the process of work after years of research backed by more than enough reliable and factual references. Instead of suggesting any edits the whole article draft/ research was scrapped because according to one man "The sandbox work will never yield a notable biography for Wikipedia."

Fortunately, several people copied my sandbox and put it up around the web ( including a well-known author),

Will I be able to resubmit a revised copy without anything that might violate, or perhaps upset (:UserJohnCd) ?

Will he try to remove the article again? Can I get other people to review the article? Can I get feedback and assistance with my new article from others? Do I have to go about finding someone more knowledgeable with the Wikipedia format to assist? If so - how do I go about this?

In other words, can I work on a revised edition about a prominent architect without the fear of someone like :JohnCD coming and taking it down?

Can I ask for a balance of powers so to speak within the Wikipedia ; so it is not just :UserJohnCd?

While I can understand the part that talks about what happened to second and third generation members of William M Cooley might not meet Wikipedia standards. It was still in draft, and could have been edited out without a need to delete not only the whole article. Feedback would have been appreciated, but instead, author/researcher was called names.

I was not aware of Wikipedia rules, and told the :UserJohnCD that I felt he was slandering the author, and said I considered taking legal action. I never called him any names, and I felt his attitude to a draft, and an author was a bit odd. I now understand I violated Wiki rules when writing my response to him. However, I was not given a "warning" as he stated. No warning, no more talk - :UserJohnCD went even further and deleted my entire account.

There was no need to dismiss the entire article and years of research. Also, the name calling and smear tactics were not professional in my opinion.

I hope now that so much time has passed, I will be able to submit the article about William M Cooley again. It does not seem right to erase a known architect's biography, strictly because :UserJohnCD found fault with the second part of the article.\

I think my research on William M Cooley, and a newly revised biography that meets Wikipedia standards. I believe it WILL yield a notable biography that will be of benefit to Wikipedia- unlike what :UserJohnCD suggests.

In conclusion, I would like to resubmit a biography on William M Cooley, without any considered "Fringe topics." I am hoping to do so without someone coming along and deleting an accurate and legitimate biography, based on years of research, and backed up my hundreds of articles, and a multitude of sources. Has enough time passed? Also, how do I go about getting a fair review of my new revised article?

Thank you in advance and Kindest Regards,

Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Here are radio interviews of Architect William M Cooley whom :UserJohnCd claims to be a "purported" architect. If user JohnCd: is such a self purported "wikisloth" as he prides himself on, how can he not do his own research on an actual architect?

William M Cooley was not a "purported Architect" imagined by the author as "UserJohnCd tries to infer.

Also who exactly is :JohnCD to say that the biography of said Architect will not be a contribution to the Wikipedia database? Absurd abuse of admin powers to state that such a brilliant man's biography is not important, in my opinion.

William Cooley and Martin Marty talk with Studs Terkel on WFMT ; 1965/04/27 https://www.popuparchive.com/collections/938/items/22176

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox William Mack Cooley Sr- Chicago Architect William Mack Cooley, (1925-1966) was a prominent Chicago architect who specialized in church design. William Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views. William Cooley's firm Cooley & Boore A.I.A. designed over 400 churches - mainly in the mid western United States. His churches can be found in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Kentucky, Georgia, and Indiana. Cooley's firm won seventeen national awards for church design. The signature design of Cooley's churches were modern A-Lined churches with floor to ceiling stained glass windows.File:Cooley111.jpg Crosby Willet, William Cooley, Rev. James L. Doom, and Milton Grigg -cut the ribbon officially opening the 26ih National Conference on Church Architecture April 27. 1965 in Chicago Ill. Contents [hide] 1 Brilliant Career and Life Cut Short by Mysterious Car Accident 2 Early Life 3 Education 4 Apprenticeship and Training 5 Cooley and Borre Associates 6 Principle Works 7 Churches desigened by William M Cooley 8 European Tours 9 Professional Memberships and Services 10 Other Affiliations 11 Awards 12 Other Works 13 Involvement with the African American Church Community on Chicago's South Side 14 Other Notes 15 William Cooley Jr. 16 William Cooley's Grandaughter's / Missing Trust Fund / Possible Mk-Ultra Victims 17 References Brilliant Career and Life Cut Short by Mysterious Car Accident[edit] William Mack Cooley was only 41 years old and just beginning his second term as President for the Guild of Religious architects[1] - when his life was cut short by a tragic auto accident. There remains many unanswered questions as to what truly happened to Architect William Mack Cooley the fatal night of his auto accident on July 16, 1966[2]. William Cooley was the sole heir of his father's estate which included 50 percent of the stock of the Allen & Garcia company. Allen and Garcia was the largest coal and mining company in the United States at the time of Harry Cooley's death. Cooley's father, Harry B Cooley was the Vice President of Allen and Garcia.[3] According to the Lake County Inquest on the body of the Architect William M Cooley Sr. there were no witnesses to his accident, no autopsy report, and Cooley was announced "dead on arrival". Two death certificates were issued for Architect William M Cooley Sr. The first death certificate was signed by Pat Orville Clavey. Clavey was a Lake County Sheriff who some years later was sent to Federal Prison for his mob connections[1]. The "temporary" death certificate contains many errors, and edits. On an odd note - the birth date on Cooley's Sr.'s death certificate was not his own - Clavey wrote the birth date of Cooley Sr.'s eldest son, William M Cooley Jr., who was only 15 at the time of his father's death. Despite the fact that Cooley Sr. died alone with no family members or witnesses present, Clavely wrote down the day and month of Cooley Sr.'s son on the 1966 temporary death certificate.[2] Cooley Jr. was the principle heir to Cooley Sr's estate[3] which included one half of the Allen and Garcia shares. Like his father, Cooley Jr would die in 1992 - the same age as his father under odd circumstances as well. The second and final death certificate was issued to Cooley Sr. after a jury inquest was held to investigate the cause of William Cooley's demise. The Lake County Jury Inquest on the body of the architect William M Cooley was held on August 4, 1966 before the Chief Deputy Coroner of Lake County William Wood at the Stirlin Peiper funeral home - almost a month after William Cooley Sr. died. During the inquest nobody from the night Cooley died was available to testify - not even the original coroner, and later felon - Pat Orville Clavey. Chief Deputy Coroner of Lake County William Wood - stated during the jury inquest that it was an "incomplete" investigation. William Mack Cooley's remains are missing to this very day. Early Life[edit] William Mack Cooley was born on February 7, 1925 in Chicago. William Cooley was the son of Flora A Daboll and Harry B. Cooley. Cooley's father Harry B. Cooley, was the Vice President of Chicago's largest mining company Allen and Garcia. Cooley's childhood and teenage years were spent traveling around the world. Cooley spent his childhood years in France, England, Nova Scotia, Trinidad, and South America. In his early teens he lived in the Donbass Region of Siberia and the Soviet Union - while his father was working as an engineer for Allen and Garcia on the [Coal Basin Trust]. Cooley as a teenager was fascinated by Russian churches and culture. Upon returning to the United States, Cooley's family returned to Chicago where he lived with his father and mother at brownstone on North Granville Avenue Education[edit] William Cooley Sr. fervently began to study and pursue his career as a church Architect upon his return to the United States. During High School William Cooley studied at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1941. He later graduated from Senn High School in 1942. Cooley attended Colorado Springs Fine Arts Center on scholarship in 1942. Cooley later studied at the Illinois Institute of Technology from 19430 1944 under Ludwig Mies van der Rohe. Cooley graduated in 1946 from the University of Illinois with a degree in Architectural Engineering in just two years. Apprenticeship and Training[edit] Draftsman - (Jan Ruthenberg) at Colorado Springs, Colorado (1942) Draftsman Engineer - https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/…/ChiEpsilonCivilEng…/chm/metz.htm Chicago Illinois (1946-1947) District Engineer - (George Braun) Woolworth Construction Department Designer - walter H. Sobel - J. Stewart Stein - Chicago (1948- 1949) == Cooley and Borre Associates[edit] After three years of apprenticeship for Chicago Church architects, and at the mere age of 24 William Cooley established his own practice in 1949. He was also admitted to The American Institute of Architects - Chicago Chapter - in that same year. Cooley & Boore A.I.A. and associates was located on 532 Busse Highway in Park Ridge Illinois. Principle Works[edit] 1959 - Mount Morris Christian Church, Grace Evan. United Brethren Church., Dixon Illinois 1960 - Episcopal Church of our Savior = Elmhurst Illinois 1961 - Harvery Federated Church - Harvey Illinois Bethel Lutheran Church - Evergreen Park Illinois Protection Mutual Insurance - Park Ridge Illinois 1962 - Christ Unity Center - Chicago, Illinois Bethlehem Lutheran Church - De Kalb Illinois Moore Business Forms - Park Ridge Illinios 1963 Marion Christian Church - Marion, Iowa Lutheran Church of Incarnation - Stickeny Twrp Illinois 1964 Faith Lutheran Church - Valders Wisconosin St. John Lutheran Church - Lombard, Illinois 1965 First Baptist Church - Park Forest, Illinois First Church of God - Chicago, Illinois Good Shepherd Lutheran Church - Des Plaines, Illinois 1966 St. Lukes Lutheran Church - Waukesha. Wisconsin St. John Lutheran Church - Lombard, Illinois 1965 First Baptist Church - Park Forest, Illinois First Church of God - Chicago, Illinois Good Shepherd Lutheran Church - Des Plaines, Illinois 1966 St. Lukes Lutheran Church - Waukesha. Wisconsin Wisconsin's Lutheran Student Chapel - Madison, Wisconsin 1967 First Christian Church - Bartlesville, Oklahoma Grace Lutheran Church - Aurora ,Illinois J.I. Case Company District Center - Castleton, Indiana Churches desigened by William M Cooley[edit] Blue Island Community Church - 2231 120 Street Blue Island - Annex - William Cooley designed the L shaped structure, Lannon Stone chancel wall, and new tower with spire. Social hall was enlarged to accommodate 400 diners, church parlor, and library on the second floor. Also built by Cooley was a new educational wing, junior chapel,nursery,choir room, and lounge.[4] Good Shepard Lutheran Church - Des Plaines - William Cooley and Associates - [5] Garfield Ridge Presbyterian -56th St. Merrimack Avenue - William Cooley Architect [6] Zion Lutheran Church (School Addition) - Church Road and Grand Avenue - Besville Illinois - William Cooley and Associates [7] Cheney Memorial Chapel - 99 Street and Prospect Avenue - Dedicated to Charles Edward Cheney - Financed through Bishop Cheney Memorial Fund & Christ Church Trust - William Cooley & Associate [8]Grace United Protestant Church - Somonavk & Shabbona Ave - Park Forest - William Cooley architect [9] Third Presbyterian Church - Harrison St. & Hayne Avenue - William Cooley & Associates [10] St. Stephans Lutheran Church - Meadowale, Illinois - William M Cooley [11] Faith Lutheran Church - Melvina & Petterson Ave. William M Cooley[12] Trinity United Church of Christ Markham Illinois - [13] Trinity Baptist Church - 62 Hamlin Avenue Chicago - William M Cooley [14] Northwest Convent - Isabelle St. & Elmhurst Road - William M Cooley & Associates [15] First Congregational Church -- Kanakee, Illinois - [16] Lake Villa Community Methodist Church - 155th Street & Turlington Avenue - Cooley and Boore Associates [17] Harvey Federated Church - 155th Street & Turlington Avenue [18] Peace & Evangelical Reformed Church ( Sanctuary, Educational Wing,Sunday School, Social Building) - 46 avenue & St. Charles Rd. William Cooley [19] [20] North Riverside Community Presbyterian Church - 8th Avenue & 27 Street- North Riverside [21] Westminster Presbyterian Church - 9550 Pratt - William Cooley Architect [22] Christ Methodist Church - Elmhurst - [23] Prospect Heights Community Church [24] North Riverside Community Church - 24 St. and 8th avenue - North Riverside - William Cooley designed the pulpit,communion table, and baptismal front in the sanctuary [25] Wood Dale Community Evangelical - Woodale - William Cooley deigned the 80 thousand dollar education annex with special wing [26] Episcopal Church Our Savior - Elmhurst Illinois - $150,000 Contemporary Styled addition - William Cooley & Associates [27] New Trinity Covenant Church - Crawford Av & 93 Street - William Cooley & Assocaites [28] Grace Evangelical United Brethren - Dixon Illinios - Willaim Cooley [29] Calvary Evangelical United Brethren Church - Villa Park - William Cooley enlarged sanctuary and constructed a modern educational building [30] European Tours[edit] Cooley made two religious study tours of Europe. He visited and studyied both ancient and modern religious structures. In 1961 Cooley was a delegate to an International Conference on Church Architecture in Lucerne,Switzerland. Professional Memberships and Services[edit] Guild for Religious Architecture - Board of Directors - President 1965-1966 American Society For Church Architecture - Board of Directors - 1959- 1963 Corporate Member of Chicago Chapter A.I.A. ( From 1948) N Carn Certified in Illinios, Indianda, Iowa, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Other Affiliations[edit] Barrington Methodist Church, Art Institute of Chicago ( Life Member), Lutheran Society for Music and the Arts,Biltmore Country Club,University of Illinois Alumni Association, Tribe of Illini, Alpha Tau Omega

Public Service
Building Commissioner, Village of North Barrington Awards[edit] Episcopal Church of our Saviour - Elmhurst Illinios Marion Christian Church - Marion, Iowa Holy Trinity Lutheran Church - Lafayette, Indiana Other Works[edit] Whitaker Guernsey Art Studio - 260 E. Illinios Street 4750 North Clarendon- one of the first modern high rises on the North Side of Chicago Involvement with the African American Church Community on Chicago's South Side[edit] Cooley speaks with Studs Terkle on Radio interview http://www.studsterkel.org/radio.php… Other Notes[edit] William Cooley Sr. was very close friends with the Architect Robert L. Durham FAIA (President of the A.I.A. (1968 - 1969) - The Executive Director of the Chicago Chapter of A.I.A. Marion J Smith Wrote a personal letter to William Cooley to inform him of the "unfortunate tragedy" of William Cooley's car crash.[31]

References[edit] ^ The Daily Herald - August 2, 2005 "The Mob in the Burbs" ^ State of Illinois - Coroners Certicate of Death - Temporary Death Certificate for Willam M Cooley Sr. Architect ^ Circuit County of the 19 Judicial Court - Lake County Probate Court - Document Number 66 P417 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune: May, 11 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune: March 30 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 19, 1956 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune :August 17, 1958 ^ Chicago Herald Tribune : October 6, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 9, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 1, 1961 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 29, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : July 6, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 4, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : January 17, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 25, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : February 1, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : November 23, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 26, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 27, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 15, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : February 21, 1957 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 28, 1957 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 14, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : Febuary 8, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 11, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 2, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : September 25, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 17, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : December14, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : June 19, 1960 ^ Chicago History Muesem Files Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:42. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * See also too long, didn't read and WP:WALLOFTEXT. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Injunction
Since the injunction ban is only for those in the England and co. does that mean that as long as someone not from here adds it to those whom i can't name Wikipedia pages, it doesn't need to be deleted since it's not breaking the law? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJBay123 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * For those who are wondering what this is about, I take it it refers to this case. I don't know the answer, : you would seem to be correct, but IANAL. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Questions and sorry for repost re William M Cooley Re Ian.Thomson - still need assistance
Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

I posted a question about a deleted sandbox article by a :JohnCD earlier on today.

A response was made by ":Ian.thomson"

Probably should've just removed this Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC) See WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:42. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Why should he have removed my question? I am quite in shock. I think I asked a valid question.

The article about Church Architect William M Cooley is in no way a Memorial page. I never even knew William M Cooley - architect. This just boggles my mind.

So the article has gone from being called "crazy", etc by :JohnCd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Deleted_Article_about_prominent_Chicago_Architect_.2F_Want_to_resubmit_without_involving_:UserJohnCD_.2FNeed_feedback

Now my question about re writing the article is being dismissed by :Ian.Thomspn as a "memorial"?

The question included the old article;not the amended one.

And why would :Ian.Thomsonn say he should have just removed my question?

The help desk is here for a reason, and I don't think Mr. :Ian.Thompsn helped very much.

Replying that he should just remove my question - isn't very much help.

Can anyone out there please give me some guidance?

Why would an admin not help and just say " he should have just removed question?"

I would like my new article to be 100 percent up to Wikipedia standards.

Also do I have to worry about admins perhaps not wanting anything about this Architect being published on Wiki - so far it seems like every Wikipedia admin who is alerted to this wants anything about William M Cooley architect deleted.

Furthermore perhaps :Ian.Thomson might want to do a query on "William M Cooley" Architect on Google Books before stating WP:42  as a reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything

Here are the results from Google book query on said architect. Can anyone please assist me with this. Thank you in advance.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=William+M+Cooley+architect

I am open to suggestions, but I do not see how a revised version of an article bio on William M Cooley would not fir Wiki standards.

There were minor members of his company, and fellow architects that are mentioned on Wiki. Why is William M Cooley so objected to thus far? Thank you in advance.

Kind Regards.

Blue shakti711 (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * First, I don't know how you managed to misspell Ian.thomson 4 times in a row, and secondly, WP:NOTMEMORIAL Still stands. Also, the article is filled with crackpot conspiracy theories. Basically a giant nest of those nasty buggers. Clubjustin Talkosphere 11:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=william+m+cooley+architect#tbm=bks&q=%22william+m+cooley+%22architect

Blue shakti711 (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * First, I don't know how you managed to misspell Ian.thomson 4 times in a row, and secondly, WP:NOTMEMORIAL Still stands. Also, the article is filled with crackpot conspiracy theories. Basically a giant nest of those nasty buggers. Clubjustin Talkosphere 11:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk.

I have answered to :ClubJustin, but my response is not appearing. :ClubJustin I am legally blind without my contact lenses on. Cooley's biography is not "full of nasty buggers"? That is terminology that someone who is only 5 years old would use. What evidence do you have that Cooley's bio will be "full of nasty buggers?"

I am shocked at the lack of any neutral and or positive help. I have only received insults and in my opinion skewed responses. No positive feedback, help, or guidelines.


 * ClubJustin states it is "A history "full of nasty buggers?"

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=william+m+cooley+architect#tbm=bks&q=%22william+m+cooley+%22architect

So confused at the lack of professionalism by the people who responded, but also at the continued elementary school smear campaigns. What is happening here?

Where are the other admins?

I know Wikipedia has some brilliant and kind minds and hearts out there willing to give some feedback that is not negative or downgrading.

Kind Regards,

Blue shakti711 (talk) 12:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wut. Clubjustin  Talkosphere  13:06, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the "nasty buggers" are the blatant conspiracy theories. Trust funds going missing,mysterious car crashes, it is not encyclopedic in anyway. Also no personal attacks. Clubjustin  Talkosphere  13:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The "article" starts almost immediately with the fluffy and unsubstantiated "Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views", and soon after segues into conspiracy theories about mysterious car crashes. Do you genuinely not see why this material is being rejected repeatedly? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The "article" starts almost immediately with the fluffy and unsubstantiated "Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views", and soon after segues into conspiracy theories about mysterious car crashes. Do you genuinely not see why this material is being rejected repeatedly? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:11, 21 May 2


 * Mike That is the old article. If you take time to read my question, it states I want to rewrite the article so it fits Wikipedia standards without going through :JohnCG. I never even submitted the article. What would lead you to think I have "repeatedly" submitted an old article. I never submitted anything. Never did I even submit an article. I was new to Wikipedia in 2010 and was not aware. Please read my question before assuming things.

Yes I see your point, and it is an old article that needs working on.

However, the tone of the responses here has been very negative.

I'll head else where for help. Blue shakti711 (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As noted below, I am confused. The only posts by this user are to this Help Desk.  I see no evidence that they attempted to edit an article about a William Cooley and had it deleted.  Has this poster changed their user name, or is something else peculiar?  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce
Please fix ref number 11. It has been like that for ages. Thanks and I do not know how to do it myself. I am sorry 2001:8003:4CB1:3C00:2156:9473:F82A:1031 (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

(needed formatting). Eagleash (talk) 12:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Customized citation (possible WP:OWN violation)
I saw something on a few talk pages that had me raise an eyebrow. On Help talk:IPA for Tunisian Arabic, Talk:Tunisian Arabic and others, someone added a box with a "cutomized citation" that mentions four of the pages' editors with their contact info and some keywords and acknowledgement. The boxes make it look like these pages are scientific articles written by these four contributors. I'm not sure whether it's a violation of WP:OWN, but it definitely seems a bit strange to me. Should these boxes stay where they are? Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 15:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

downloand a book
Hello. Can you help me to download Book which I created from Wiki ages? It starts, but in about 36 percents it stops and tells me this: Rendering failed Generation of the document file has failed. Status: Bundling process died with non zero code: 1 Return to User:Sandipotta/Books/Tuscany Thanks for any hint.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandipotta (talk • contribs) 16:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Requesting an amendment to a page that has been courtesy-blanked?
See Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wikicology.

The archived decision in the page history contains a "finding of fact" whose title doesn't accurately reflect its contents. The adding of factual errors was apparently taken as less of a problem than the citing of sources that failed verification, and the actual wording of the decision reflected this, and two of the "principles" cited were specifically tied to the pieces of information that weren't formally included in the title of the finding of fact (as opposed to that one that was included in the title).

I have little confidence in ARCA in general, but since this is a simple clerical concern I was going to post one. Then I thought that an amendment would probably need to be absolutely necessary and not just a clerical concern for the page to be unblanked, amended and then blanked again.

Any idea if this has been done before, or if it's just too much red tape to worry about?

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 16:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe ask at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard? DMacks (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

My edits?
As I am a new user, I had 92 edits in 20 hrs of my account started. I am a WikiGnome. Are my edits good and what can I do to improve them? Constructive criticism is welcomed! SwagBucks101101 (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm not crazy about them. In this edit you changed a cited figure just to round it to the nearest full millimeter. If the source says 35.6, why change it? If that's what the source says, that's what should be there. Then in this edit, you edited another figure but didn't say why or where you got the information from. And according to the subject's official page on IAAF.org, neither figure is actually correct. Changing facts and figures seems to me like vandalism more than helping. Dismas |(talk) 20:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * At Veena Sood, you made an uncited statement about someone's ethnicity or religion. That's a serious WP:BLP problem. DMacks (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This might or might not be an improvement (isn't the meaning obvious already?). But my concern is that it's definitely not a simple "typo" you are fixing, as you asserted in your edit summary. If you make changes beyond the scope or type of what the ES says, it might be seen as a bad-faith attempt to avoid scrutiny of your edits. DMacks (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, in this edit, you actually broke the italics instead of "fixed the quotes" as you claimed. Dismas |(talk) 20:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Then with this edit, you claimed that the infant fish can grow up to 15 cm. Not only is that not in the source but what does it even mean? There normally isn't any upper bound on an "infant's" size. Would you also say that a human infant could grow to 8' 11"? Obviously they're not an infant then. Dismas |(talk) 21:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * On a positive note, it is appreciated that you came and asked - far better to learn how to do it right early.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that the majority of your edits have already been reverted. Many were questionable or otherwise unhelpful, for a variety of different reasons.  I would suggest you slow down and only make well thought out useful changes.  MB (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Where will I find the answer to my question about placing references?
At the risk of sounding unhelpful. where did you ask it? Eagleash (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Ah, it's the section above without a heading. Sorry! Does this refer to Rhodes-Livingstone? You will need to place your references between the ref tags immediately after the fact you wish to source. You will also need to add a heading thus ==References== and on the next line. The references will then appear under the heading and numbered. See also WP:REFB Eagleash (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Template anomalies
Hello, some regular monitors of this page might be aware of a long-term disruptive editor of Formula One articles. He has recently created an account and despite being warned, it seems he has copied Template:Team Penske in Formula One (after blanking the page) to Template:Penske Cars. Furthermore he has created a template for British Racing Partnership, which can be found on that page. The view-talk-edit symbols are more or less illegible due to the colours used but if you can click on them it takes you to Template:BRP which is something completely different. However, one of my colleagues at the F1 project says the links work for him. I cannot seem to edit the 'new' template even to suggest it be removed. (Speedied). It is pretty useless anyway and it would be speedied as not notable or at least taken to TfD by the F1 project in normal circs. Grateful for any help you can give. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The author of Template:Team Penske in Formula One copy-paste moved it to Template:Penske Cars. That's usually disallowed but it doesn't break our license when it's done by the sole author of the content so I just redirected the former to the latter. The target of V T E links is determined by a  parameter in a navbox. If the links are wrong then identify the real template name in the source of a page using the template, and correct the name parameter in the template. Here it is British Racing Partnership.   had already been fixed [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:British_Racing_Partnership&diff=721381811&oldid=721381224] but it can take time before pages using a template are automatically updated to reflect changes. I purged British Racing Partnership to force the update. I haven't evaluated whether the templates are suitable. You are free to nominate them for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. As it had already been fixed partly explains why I couldn't view it properly and why someone else could. I've been able to edit to remove things not usually included and will discuss how the project wishes to deal with other members. Thanks again. Eagleash (talk) 00:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * PS, I couldn't correct it as clicking on the 'E' symbol took me, at that time, to Template:BRP...relating to the Filipino Navy. It needed the cache/purge tweaks to fix that. Eagleash (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)