Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 May 3

= May 3 =

publishing images
Hi I recently added a few images to a page I am writing I contacted the authors of the photos and they gave me permission to publish them on Wikipedia I also added what I thought was the required information to indicate where they are from However this morning I found each of the images removed Could you please explain what happened and how the situation can be rectified.

Kind regards, Ben

the page was regarding the "Desert froglet"

Bigfish69 (talk) 00:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Other issues aside, we need them to put the permission on their respective sites with the photos. Otherwise, we have no means of verifying that they did indeed grant permission.  Ian.thomson (talk) 00:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , that is not the only way to do it., if the copyright holders of the photos agree to licence the images under a suitable licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA (which will allow anybody to reuse the picture for any purpose, as long as it is attributed) then one way they can do so is by sending a mail according to the procedure in Donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * In addition, if they provide permission to “publish on Wikipedia” the permission will be rejected. See this page for acceptable language, if provided by the copyright holder.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Am still confused... I sent a request to the authors to fill and submit the information requested in the consent template at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates/Consent However, even though they did I go a response from Wikipedia saying this was not accepted. I have spent a lot of time reading the various Wikipedia instructions and just need a simple step by step instruction of how to proceed please. I would prefer not to have to have the images removed as I too take copywrite very seriously. BenBigfish69 (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that the copyright holder has sent in a permission statement and it was not accepted. Because of confidentiality issues I am not permitted to discuss in detail the contents of the discussion but I will just note that discussion is in progress. I will also note that the image on Flickr does not (at the moment) have a license acceptable to Wikipedia. However, discussion is ongoing and I suspect it will be resolved favorably soon.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:06, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I will also note that the license on the image is completely wrong. It is not in the public domain. I trust that will also get sorted out but may be contributing to the length of time that it is taking.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Changing Title of Donora Hillard Hare
Please change the title of the page Donora Hillard Hare to Donora Hillard. (My name is no longer Donora Hillard-Hare, and this page is about me.) Thank you! DH
 * ✅ Altamel (talk) 04:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Question about changing interior content on a topic banner
I've been editing the Mandarava entry and trying to get it up to a decent entry. Someone was kind enough to add a side banner to the page for Tibetan Buddhism. It is on the right side of the page and reads "Part of a Series on Tibetan Buddhism." Underneath the banner header, there are categories with drop down menus that include links to particularly important topics, people, places etc in Tibetan Buddhism. I want to find out where I can go to discuss the content of the drop down menus and discussing adding at least one prominent woman to the links in the banner. I appreciate your time and help. AD64 (talk) 04:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I see you've already found Template_talk:Tibetan_Buddhism_sidebar. That would be the place.  Rojomoke (talk) 04:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks . I started clicking around a little bit on the banner itself and voila! I'm happy to have your confirmation that that is the location for the conversation too. Best, AD64 (talk) 05:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

How to get article reassessed?
I have this sort of 'pet-project' I've been editing now and then over years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban%27ei

As you can see, template for "additional citations" is dated(and they aren't any 'citation needed'-tags), so what is protocol on this?

85.76.97.226 (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * In short, anyone can remove maintenance templates when they judge them to no longer be appropriate. See Help:Maintenance template removal.  As a general comment, several of the sections in that article are still unreferenced.  Rwessel (talk) 07:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Please put in the correct "sub-heading" for a link in the "Early life" section of the above Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge page. The link is to the page Social structure of the United Kingdom but it should then immediately go to the  section "Upper middle class"  -  NOT "Middle class" -   where it incorrectly is now. Please help ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 05:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Maproom (talk) 07:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Citation template design
Hi. I'm an experienced editor, but don't have much knowledge about creating citation templates. I wanted to create a specific-source template for a reference that I frequently use in articles, to save having to type out the full citation details each time. You can see my first attempt at Template:ONSCoB2014. I've got two questions about this. First, any ideas why the access date field isn't working? Second, why do I get several lines of white space after the template when I use it? Cordless Larry (talk) 06:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've just fixed both of these problems myself by taking the  tags out of the template. Is there any reason why they can't be part of the template? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose including them would mean that named references couldn't be used. Thinking out loud here... Cordless Larry (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't use  in citation templates. There are several issues like named references, different reference techniques, non-inline references, some things not working inside  when it's transcluded. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it started to make sense shortly after I'd asked the question. Thanks, . Can I ask what your reason for removing the  tags was? They seem to be used on similar templates and keep the template page itself nice and tidy, from what I can see. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 *  should only be used when the template page would have displayed something meaningless, for example for templates which only give a meaningful result when they are combined with other templates or called with certain parameters. Template:ONSCoB2014 displays exactly how it will look in an article so the display is helpful to editors who want to see what the template does, for example when they preview changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks . That makes sense. Now I just need to make a template that automatically inserts the numbers that this reference supports, and I will be able to retire from editing! Cordless Larry (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

How can I appeal against an SPI ruling ?
How can I appeal against this SPI - Sockpuppet investigations/Wiki-psyc ? --Penbat (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You can ask the blocking admin for further information, or to discuss the matter with you. If, after you tried that, you still want additional people to look into your evidence, try WP:AN.  -- Jayron 32 19:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I have already tried to express my concerns to the clerk for the case User:Vanjagenije several times, including on his talk page, but the points I have raised have not been addressed.--Penbat (talk) 19:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I just read your comments there. You may also want to read WP:AGF.  You're allowed to post a discussion at WP:AN where you lay out any hard evidence you have that there is something wrong.  You may or may not find satisfaction if others do not agree with you, but you're allowed to do so anyway.  -- Jayron 32 19:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Accusation of edit warning and threatening tone of editor
I appear to be being accused of edit warring by an editor. The context and details of the issue can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bellevue_Education#Threatening_tone_by_editor

I would welcome advice as to what I should do next as I do believe the material being deleted by this editor should remain. Does this mean I am edit warring? Daithidebarra (talk) 19:42, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * My own opinions only:
 * You have been edit warring.
 * has been edit warring.
 * You (singular) have tried to discuss the issue on the article's talk page, Wikijan2016 has not.
 * Neither of you has violated the "t[h]ree revert rule". This does not guarantee that you (plural) cannot be disciplined anyway.
 * You (singular) are probably right in the issue under dispute.
 * Maproom (talk) 20:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add your thoughts to WP:AN3. Not really sure of what's going on here, but they misplaced the notice. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 20:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for these comments. Maproom your summary of the situation a useful clarification. Voidwalker I had not known I had been formally reported  as for some reason I got no notification which I thought was how it worked. But actually this is all a new (learning) experience for me. I presume that all further discussion will migrate there.Or to the article Talk page, as relevant.Daithidebarra (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikijan2016 was supposed to leave a notice on your talkpage, but they edited Template:An3-notice/doc instead. So yes, you should either edit at WP:ANEW, or the article's talk page. (I don't know if you've seen the edit war policy, so here's a link: WP:EW, also the list of policies is another useful thing to see.) If that seems like a lot, don't worry, you're not expected to be able to know it all, plus, we're here to help! Cheers --  The Voidwalker  Discuss 23:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Fix Wiki page name?
College Basketball Experience

Our business is named "The College Basketball Experience" and I cannot see how to change the page name so that it includes the "The."

Any advice is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cl3314 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Answered at Teahouse/Questions PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

How to Upload Photos and Avoid The Deletion
Hello, I really don't have any idea how to upload photo and safe from any notice of deletion. First I uploaded into wikimedia it was deleted and now in wikipedia I got noticed of the deletion. Best regards Puchicatos (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Copyright is one of the hardest and most limiting aspects of Wikipedia. In order to use an image, it must meet our stringent copyright requirements, in one of three ways:
 * It is in the public domain. This means that either it has explicitly been placed in the public domain by the copyright owner (as is the case for many images produced by the US Federal government) or it is old enough that the copyright law of the relevant country says that it is in the public domain. In this case it should be uploaded to Wikimedia commonas. Do not confuse "available to the public" with "in the public domain": most recent images on the internet or anywhere else are not in the public domain.
 * The copyright holder has explicitly released it under a compatible licence such as CC-BY-SA, which allows anybody to reuse for any purpose (commercial or not) as long as they give proper attribution. They can release it either by a public statement (eg on their website), or privately in an email to Wikipedia (see Donating copyright materials); but it must be the copyright holder that does it. The image should be uploaded to Wikimedia commons.
 * In a very limited set of circumstances, an image may be used even though it is not free. All of the conditions in Non-free content criteria must be met, and the image must be uploaded to Wikipedia, not to commons. This is commonly used for logos and album covers, but a non-free image of a living person can hardly ever be used.
 * Please see Image use policy for more detail. --ColinFine (talk) 09:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation, I got it now. Best regards
 * Nice summary.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:50, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Thomas Fairfax (Gilling)
Is my recent edit on this page OK? Should the reference be in DARK italics? Or not at all? I cannot find it on the internet - but it is referenced in other sources - ancestry sites etc. Any suggestions - please fix. Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You were trying to cite a published work (even though you haven't seen it yourself). I have made this into a regular citation. I don't know if this is the recommended policy; but I have never noticed on Wikipedia a reference to the source of another reference. Maproom (talk) 08:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I despair of this editor ever learning to do citations. Google is your friend.  This is perhaps a better way of citing that source (it isn't a journal):
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion, which I have used in the article. Maproom (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion, which I have used in the article. Maproom (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)