Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 November 23

= November 23 =

Charles F Bryan
At the top of the Charles F. Bryan article, there are links for the Charles Faulkner disambiguation page and the Faulkner surname page. I see from the talk page that his middle initial stands for Faulkner. Is it typical to put disambiguation and surname page links based on middle names? Leschnei (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't think there is anything typical or atypical about putting such links. It's an editorial discretion that editors make on a case by case basis as the intent is to ensure that the reader does not confuse the subject with someone else. That said, if you believe the said links are editorially inappropriate, why don't you put up a note at the talk page of the said article? Come back if you have any other query. Cheers. Lourdes  11:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was just curious, since Faulkner wasn't in the title. On my first read through, I glossed right over the full name right underneath (it was late), so it was a little confusing. I don't think that there's any change needed. Leschnei (talk) 13:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Can you give me simple instructions on how to cite sources?
I don't have the time to read the entire article and find what I need, it would be nice if someone gave me a quick answer. Boötes (talk) 00:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * At a bare minimum for web sources, you can put the URL between two ref tags. So it would look something like . But that really is a bare minimum.
 * You could review WP:REFB. I don't know if that's the article that you don't have time to read but it's the basics on referencing. † dismas †|(talk) 00:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * If you don't want to take the time to read the article, can you take two minutes to watch a video instead? Wikimedia Foundation has a number of videos on YouTube, and you might find the one on citing sources helpful. I tried to post the link here, but YouTube links are blacklisted (even Wikipedia's own videos).  So go to YouTube and search for "Wikipedia editing basics: Citing sources (part 2)" --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * In the edit window there is a drop down menu called "Templates". It gives you easy to use templates for citing a webpage, news article, book, and academic journal.  Click on the type of source you want and fill in the boxes that appear.  That's the easiest way. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:32, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Boötes (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

How to add a summary after I UNDO a revert of a correction I did; Also How & Where to Argue my points on Edits
I have made a common sense edit in the article Cyrus The Great. In the 'Early Life" section it talks about Cyrus' maternal grandfather having two dreams. However, the description of these ends in two sentences, and then the section goes on to state how the grandfather went about doing things to ensure that the dreams did not come true. That is, after the 2-4 sentences describing the dream, it reverts to real acts by the grandfather. I merely edited th article stating that these supposed acts by granddad are now considered MYTHS in that they are basic stories in most histories of great men. That is, to avoid being killed by wicked king, usually a relative, they were taken after birth and hid amongst the poor, until their nobility and god-like qualities betray their identity. Then they raise an army and regain their rightful place & property, usually a kingdom.

However, the person that reverted my edit says these stories are the dreams, which if you read the article you can see they are not.

Xenophon as a cite, that he claims is unacceptable, whereas he uses Herodotus, who is no more or less accepted than Xenophon.

Leecorp1 (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss page content is on its talk page, in this case Talk:Cyrus the Great. —teb728 t c 04:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, and discuss it BEFORE you decide whether to undo the revert. —teb728 t c 05:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

cross categories
How would I find out what pages are in both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_the_1940s and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_Brooklyn ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a tool that can do this - PetScan. This link shows the tool giving eight results for your query. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Appalachian Trail
On the Wikipedia article about the Appalachian Trail, you might wish to add a Book citation under Non-Fiction Print - "The Spirit of the Appalachian Trail" - by Susan Power Bratton - subtitled "Community, Environment, and Belief on a Long Distance Hiking Path" - 284 pages - Copyright 2012 by The University of Tennessee Press / Knoxville - ISBN 13:978-1-62190-191-4

Thanks .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.45.217 (talk) 03:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello thanks for your suggestion. I've copied your suggestion to the talk page of the said article. I'm sure if editors frequenting that article find the reference worthy, they will include the same. Thanks again. Lourdes  11:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Page Deleted
A page I created after painstaking research has been deleted and the deleting admin refuses to explain why except citing ' unambiguous promotion' in the deletion summary. Please help me in restoring this page so that I can rewrite any inappropriate parts from a neutral stance. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You have already presented your request here: Requests for undeletion. You were told to demonstrate that the subject meets the notability guideline for academics. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * If the subject of the article is notable, then people who are not affiliated with him can re-write the article. You removed the tags pointing out the neutrality problems resulting from the subject's friends rewriting the article, so it's hard to see how you'd be making it more neutral (a word, which, by the way, doesn't mean "totally in favor of the subject"). Also, the article history indicates that the article was created by .  Are you using multiple accounts?  Ian.thomson (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I was not the original creator of the page but I rewrote it extensively. And I thought it was neutral and objective but naturally respect the decision of the Wikipedia admin if they think otherwise. I am a film curator so I am speaking from a base of some experience Ian.thomson.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Help for removing speedy deletion tag
I got a message with a speedy deletion tag for an information I wrote. So i myself deleted the whole sandbox. I don't know what to do next. Please help me so that speedy deletion tag was removed. PrashantS.Prashant (talk) 07:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, you don't need to do anything else. I would suggest that you should give a quick read to Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines before creating promotional articles. And while you're at it, try to check out Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Come back here for any further help. Lourdes  11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Adding a translated page of your wikipage
Hi,

There is already a wikipage about the company I work at in English, Portuguese, and French. How can we get this wikipage translated to Italian, French, German and Russian? Is this something an editor can help us with or can I try to submit a version in each language?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.218.130 (talk • contribs)


 * Hello. In general, please read Translate us for information about translating articles into other-language Wikipedias. More specifically, on the English Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing or editing an article about your own company, because of your Conflict of interest. I don't know for sure that that is the case on the fr. de. and ru. Wikipedias, but I would expect it to be so. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion of any kind. An article on your company does not belong to you, and you do not have any control over the contents. It ought to be a summary of what people unconnected with your company have published about it in reliable sources: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or the company say about it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Gripp
Hi Wikipedia,

This page is a synopsis on my writing career. However, after much consideration, I don't feel that I am notable enough to warrant having a Wikipedia page. Though I didn't originally start the page itself, I have maintained and updated it over the years. I am retiring from public writing and believe that since my books are independently "published," I have not achieved the minimal acclaim from the literary community to justify its existence and therefore request for this page's deletion. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kindest Regards, Andreas Gripp, London, Ontario, Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwichbeat (talk • contribs) 17:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi I have proposed a deletion of the article. If someone opposes this deletion, then it can be nominated using articles for deletion which starts a deletion discussion about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

How to create a WIKIPEDIA listing
Hello, I am new to writing article's or listings on Wikipedia, and was hoping to get a few pointers on writing a listing about an author. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatherineSellers (talk • contribs) 19:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello. The most important thing to start with is the general inclusion criteria: WP:AUTHOR. As a general rule, state the most important thing about the person within the first two sentences, and add multiple independent references. For further ideas about development, take a look at existing articles about authors. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . As well as what said, I recommend you study Your first article before you embark on the difficult process of writing an article (not a "listing": this is and encyclpaedia, not a directory) in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

position of image
Hi there,

can anyone please help me with the position of an image (left of an infobox). It's about this page: Saint_Peter_and_Saint_Paul_Archipelago. The historic map (1839) should be placed higher, next of Darwin, and especially next of Ross. Can anyone fix that? I can't. Thanx in advance. --Dick Bos (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why but it seems like it's being pushed below the infobox. This is likely so that you don't have an infobox and image together making one very small, and some would say unsightly, column of text in the middle of the article. † dismas †|(talk) 21:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have used Stack begin.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Peter_and_Saint_Paul_Archipelago&diff=751183071&oldid=751164912] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. --Dick Bos (talk) 22:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Steven French
I just created a stub article for a subject that meets entry levels requirements for notability on WP. However, I accidentally capitalized a letter in the last name: FRench. How can I correct this in the article title? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * By 'moving' the page. (Click on 'more' and select from the drop-down). I've done so in this instance but your account meets the criteria for doing so if need be in future. Eagleash (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The automatically created redirect might be deleted under as it seems unlikely that anyone would search for 'Steven FRench'.


 * I've re-read the 'rules'; doesn't apply to page moves. Eagleash (talk) 23:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Eagleash Next question: how do I send you a "cupcake"? Maineartists (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Absolutely no need... but to send that sort of thing, click on the heart icon at the top of a user's talk page. Eagleash (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Eagleash Do you think I should have listed it as "Steve French"? Maineartists (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I just realized that his name is linked to several articles on WP as "Steve French". Will this pose a problem? Maineartists (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * 'Steve' does seem to be the WP:COMMONNAME judging by the sources. Eagleash (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't find any articles with this Steve French in, but there is a disambiguation page with others of the same name. He should probably be added to that. If you move the page again be aware of double re-directs. A bot will fix them but editors are encouraged not to leave them. If you move the page, you will get a link "what links here" clicking on that will show where the links are. Eagleash (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Eagleash I should have drafted this first. My apologies. Here are a few articles that mention French: & . In full disclosures, I have never "moved a page" before, and should have never submitted this page without that knowledge. Maineartists (talk) 00:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * You could pipe the links at the pages where he's mentioned. I.e.  but it the long run it might be redundant as it's always possible that the page would be moved by another editor in the future. I would hold off adding the links to the pages where he's mentioned until you decide whether to move the page again. Eagleash (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)