Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 November 28

= November 28 =

Editor using multiple IP addresses
I have discovered an editor who seems to have a project to remove unsupported claims of descent from participants in the Battle of Hastings (1066, the Norman Conquest of England). This is useful work, since many spurious claims have been made in this area, and many aristocratic English families have made such claims in the past as a way of justifying their rank in society.

However this editor uses multiple IP addresses when editing. This makes it difficult for me to find out what edits he/she has made. I wonder if this is deliberate. Here is a conversation I had with this person (headed "Who's hiding?"), which shows that he/she is reluctant to state why they use multiple IP addresses, rather than set up an account. You will see some of the IP addresses he/she uses in that talk sequence. I first spotted this person's activities on the Delaval page (see edit dated 20 November 2016).

This is a new problem to me. Any thoughts? AWhiteC (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2016 (UTC
 * There are several perfectly reasonable ways in which the user's IP address will change often; most obviously if they are using public computers in a library or internet cafe. Beyond encouraging them to create an account, I don't think there's much you can do, . --ColinFine (talk) 00:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * , I agree. Multiple accounts are often used for sock puppetry and other nefarious purposes, which can lead to a block, but it's the misuse that is the offence, not just having more than one account Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This editor's edit history, from what I can tell, consists of a long list of deletions from many articles. I would like therefore to check that he/she has not removed valuable information, but I find that frustratingly difficult to do because I don't know all of the IP addresses he/she uses. AWhiteC (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Accredited editors
How do I find a list of accredited editors for wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:1102:5F00:C9D5:2717:57B0:DC2 (talk) 01:55, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "accredited"? See Wikipedians for a general description of what is expected of Wikipedia editors and a number of statistics concerning them.  General Ization   Talk   01:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * See also Who writes Wikipedia? One of our sister sites Wikinews has such a concept: Credential verification. Wikipedia does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:35, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Responding to a warning I received when creating an article
I submitted a page for review and received this notification:

Warning: The page Dean Robbins redirects to List of Days of Our Lives characters. Please verify that it is not a copy of this submission and that this page does not need to be moved to a different title.

Two questions: 1) Where and how do I submit such a verification? 2) There is no existing "Dean Robbins" page per se, but typing "Dean Robbins" into Wikipedia does redirect me to a page called "List of Days of Our Lives Characters" (where, oddly, there appears to be no character named "Dean Robbins"). Does this mean I can't create a Dean Robbins page?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annshaffer (talk • contribs) 02:23, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Where did you receive this warning message as your talk page has not yet been started? Is 'your' Dean Robbins a fictional character or a real person? There may be no note of the fictional character in the Days of our Lives page as 'he' is not significant enough a character. It may be necessary for either your page to be disambiguated to (E.g.) "Dean Robbins (author)' or for the re-direct to be moved to (E.g.) 'Dean Robbins (days of our lives character)'. Once it is clear that the two are separate 'persons' you can continue to develop the draft. Eagleash (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Convenience link: User:Annshaffer/sandbox/Dean Robbins.
 * † dismas †|(talk) 04:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I received the warning after I put the submit code at the top of the article and hit "save changes." My article is about a real person. Another question: have I truly submitted my article for review at this point? I'm a little confused about the process, and your note implies that the submission may not yet be complete. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annshaffer (talk • contribs) 12:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The draft is not currently submitted for review. It will need some (fairly minor) work on layout, headings etc. but that alone would probably not be detrimental at review...things like that can always be fixed. You could move it (or ask someone to move it for you) to draft space where you can finalise it and at the same time give it a more definite title. The references also need to be properly formatted (see WP:REFB for a basic guide). WP:MoS will also help with the style of the page. Please sign your posts on talk-pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ) thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I will explore. Annshaffer (talk) 14:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * When you have studied the guidance and are happy that it is fit to be submitted for review, you can do it by clicking the blue button labelled "Submit your draft for review!" at the top of your userspace draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's what the user did, but she says she got an error message. The message she indicates is part of the review waiting template so she should have submitted the article at this stage, but it is not showing.  I suspect that she pressed "Show preview" instead of "Save changes" after pressing the submit button. SpinningSpark 15:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Why is my username shown in the deletion log?
I am not an admin, but, my user name shows up in the deletion log, see Special:Log/delete?performer=Champion. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It appears that if you move a page over a redirect (where permitted by WP:MOR) the deletion of the redirect page gets logged as a G6 deletion, though I believe that it is only relatively recently that they have been logged that way. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Moving_a_page&diff=738170807&oldid=734002198 somebody] mentioned this in WP:MOR: "The information about the former creation of the redirect over which the move takes place was lost before MediaWiki 1.28/wmf.16 in August 2016. Since then the deletion of the redirect has been added to the deletion log. It is the only way non-administrators can get entries in the deletion log." PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Balanites aegyptiaca
Reference help requested.

I can't fix the error on Balanites aegyptiaca, I have tried but can't see where the error is. Can you assist? Thanks Quetzal1964 06:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Quetzal1964 06:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The URL contained a space, which I have replaced with the code percent-two-zero. This is mentioned at Template:Cite web, but that's a big page and it is easy to miss the detail. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:19, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

File my own work/ link to Artical in my sandbox ,Why it will be delete?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 22sep (talk • contribs)
 * The contents of your sandbox may be deleted if it is a copyright violation, or contains defamatory statements. Maproom (talk) 11:52, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

The Draft article who was submitting it when we did not .I think Thai politician try to hide the truth.--22sep (talk) 10:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC) Before we know who can change the link and not show in the historical of page I will put artical on hold,please do not delete it.--22sep (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article I was talking about was Thita Manitkul in Thai it was there I do not know when but when I update the Supreme Court Sentence .The make the reference link useless just like they are doing with Thita Manitkul.

Archiving problem
Brothers and sisters! I'm not new, but it would appear I am somewhat clumsy. When attempting to archive a section of past user talk posts I created User talk:Oranges Juicy/Archive 2. For some reason that I am unclear on, the words "Archive 2" appear twice which means one needs to be removed. From what I can see, this is all a result of the automated process unless I have made a major error somewhere. If anyone can fix this, please be my guest. Likewise if someone wishes to explain the process, I will keep watch of this thread. Thanks! --OJ (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * What should be there on the second occurence is a redlink to Archive 3 (red because you haven't created it yet) and it is there now. It was just that your page needed purging which I have done for you.  Couldn't say how it got wrong in the first place, just a glitch probably. SpinningSpark 14:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Spinningspark. Whatever you did, it worked and and the purge remains off the history. Am I right in thinking that a red link to Archive 3 should also be on display at User talk:Oranges Juicy/Archive 1? If so, I don't suppose you could work some more magic could you!!!! :) --OJ (talk) 18:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * No, not with that template. It only displays the immediate predecessor and successor pages. SpinningSpark 18:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm with you. In that case I see nothing wrong and it can stay as it is. Thanks for your help here. --OJ (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Need help to upload a logo
Hi everyone! Can anyone help me upload a logo of Romexsoft company? I would like to create a Romexsoft page, but I can't upload logo myself as I'm not an autoconfirmed user. Wikipedia sent me here to find someone who can do this.

I will greatly appreciate if someone could help me. Here you can find a logo - https://drive.google.com/a/romexsoft.com/file/d/0Bx6Hac7ckZFqUjRmQXh3d2Vmckk/view?usp=sharing

Thanks in advance.

Nataliia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natalia.Bubniuk (talk • contribs) 13:54, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You can find information about uploading logos as WP:LOGO. But before you spend time on doing that, please concentrate on more important matters, specifically on notability. As it stands, Romexsoft does not have a single independent source, and therefore is likely to get deleted for lack of evidence of notability. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a directory, and does not have "company pages": what it has is articles about subjects which summarise what independent reliable published sources say about the subject. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what Romexsoft says about itself, whether on its own website or in press releases or interviews; and no interest in what its partners say about it. Any article about it should be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the company have published about it in reliable sources. So your first task is to find these independent reliable sources, and make sure that the article does not contain a single fact that is not found in a reliable source (uncontroversial factual matter can be sourced to non-independent sources, but most of the article should come from independent ones). When you have got the important stuff done, then is the time to worry about finishing touches like a logo. I suggest you look at your first article if you haven't already. --ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit
Hi! It's me Teerta Prasad, I am 5 days older to Wikipedia. Bt I can not edit the page of Pooja Gandhi. Please let me know the reason. Please make it easy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teertaprasad (talk • contribs) 13:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The blue padlock at the top of the article tells you that it has protection which limits editing to those with the extended confirmed right. The protection log shows that protection was applied because of persistent sockpuppetry.  --David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Everything Starts With An 'E'
Reference help requested.


 * The reference errors appear to be over a year ago. in the meantime. Eagleash (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Colonel Abrams
Hello my name is Wanda Abrams (sister). Colonel Abrams page has incorrect information. Could you please up this information. Date of birth July 18, 1951. He passed on November 24 2016.

Thanks, Baybreezz (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to provide a reliable source to back up your claim. Ruslik_ Zero 17:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You have also asked this, and had three replies, at Teahouse/Questions Please only ask in one place, and please continue the discussion there, not here - Arjayay (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Update our logo.
The logo on our Wiki page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haas_School_of_Business, is three years out of date. I have tried updating it, and see this message: "You cannot overwrite this file." I have tried reaching out to the editor, Lamro, and he/she has not replied, after several weeks.

How can I correct the logo? The correct one is at http://haas.berkeley.edu/images/%23BerkeleyHaas_Logo_FullColor.jpg, also available in png, if wanted. Help?

Debra goldentyer

19:01, 28 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgoldentyer (talk • contribs)


 * ✅ Timothy Joseph Wood  19:10, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ The original file was uploaded as a GIF, so it wouldn't let me replace it with a JPG. New logo is at File:Haas School of Business Logo.jpg. Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Joseph2302, is there a reason not to prefer the low res version per WP:IMAGERES? Timothy Joseph Wood  20:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Well it doesn't meet Wikipedia threashold of originality (as it consists only of text), so WP:IMAGERES doesn't apply? Were it non-free, I'd agree. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Derp. I should/did know that. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

WP:3RR
Hello, I'm unsure about the WP:3RR: is the revert limit applies to the original editor adding information (who wants to replace its edit, therefore reverting the undo) or the reviewer reverting his changes? Thanks. --Marc Lacoste (talk) 19:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It applies to all editors.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Neelix question
Hi,

I'm just looking through what happened with the Neelix redirects. Can someone point me to a link on redirect policy so I can see what was violated, for curiosity? Thanks, Icebob99 (talk) 19:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want the details on the Neelix redirects, you can look through Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive904, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Neelix/Evidence and Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive906. The policy on redirects in general can be found at Redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

WMF finances
I have been asked to do an editorial for the Signpost, and I am doing research for it. Specifically, in 2005 Jimmy Wales told a TED audience the following:


 * "So, we’re doing around 1.4 billion page views monthly. So, it’s really gotten to be a huge thing. And everything is managed by the volunteers and the total monthly cost for our bandwidth is about 5,000 dollars, and that’s essentially our main cost. We could actually do without the employee … We actually hired Brion because he was working part-time for two years and full-time at Wikipedia so we actually hired him so he could get a life and go to the movies sometimes."

First question: how many page views per month are we seeing ten years later (any figure from 2015 or 2016 will do)?

Second question: is there any reason to believe that bandwidth costs per page view have gone way up or way down in the last ten years?

For those interested in what I am working on here, see Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2016-11-26/Op-ed. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The second question could probably be asked/duplicated at the WP:Reference desk. Either could be asked to the WMF staff, and I imagine they would answer. (I would imagine that as for everything internet-related, bandwidth costs per megabyte have gone way down. On the other hand, page views have gone up a lot as well. On the third hand, you probably get a discount on the price per megabyte when you buy many of them.)  Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 09:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, for page views, I think |de.wikipedia.org this is the best tool. For other interesting statistics for any project, see this and this. And here's the alexa ranking. And for bandwidth costs, see the 2015-2016 Foundation returns here. Check for the terms bandwidth and internet hosting. There is significant bandwidth provided pro bono to the Foundation by various providers. The cost, less that, for internet hosting is $2,069,572 for the past year Thanks. Lourdes  23:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Adding Semi Protection to a Page
I am trying to add semi protection to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Wisconsin.

I tried putting in the command: Semi-protection: High level of IP vandalism. A w a c (talk) 22:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

... but I can't figure out how to place it below the header. I tried two different ways. Once, it ended up written in the article. The second time, it dropped the logo from top right of the page.

Any help is appreciated!

A w a c (talk) 22:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation/AWAC promotional account blocked. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Regular users can't add protection to an article, that is an administrator only function. You can request it HERE but it looks like your account has been blocked already. uhhlive (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)