Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 November 3

= November 3 =

Rfc regarding A1
Just a quick request for comment on the application of the A1 tag on a generic example. Any views would be welcome at the particular Rfc. Lourdes 14:53, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Help me remove one of my photos from the Commons
Hi. I recently re-photographed comics artist Jim Cheung at the New York Comic Con. He asked that the then current photo of him in the article, which I took of him in 2011, be removed from the article and the Commons because he deeply dislikes it, as he was very sweaty when the photo was taken. Since there are already other photos of him in the Commons, including ones I myself have taken on three other occasions now, I have no objection to this. Because public figures can sometimes be very particular about how they are presented in the photos of their WP articles, I've helped subjects who objected to my photos of them have the photos removed from the Commons in the past when they allowed me to take better ones (or when they themselves supplied better ones), usually by contacting Jimmy Wales directly, but this time, Wales has not responded to my email. Can it be removed? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Commons files can only be deleted by Commons administrators. See commons:Commons:Courtesy deletions. Note commons:File:5.21.11JimCheungByLuigiNovi.jpg currently shows two other uses you may want to replace: Wiccan (comics) and ja:ジム・チャン. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * See also commons:Commons:Deletion policy for an actual policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Paragraphs without references
Hi! I'm Carlos Emanuel of pt.wiki, and I want to ask, if I can remove paragraphs without references, because they are contrary to the verifiability policy, or if this is considered vandalism, thanks. (Carlos Emanuel) (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey (Carlos Emanuel). Contentious material regarding a biography of a living person which is unsourced should always be removed immediately. Otherwise, if it seems likely that a source for content may be available, but simply hasn't been added yet, it is generally better to try to find a source rather than remove the content.


 * If no source can be found, or if the content seems obviously or quite likely to be incorrect to begin with, unverified content can certainly be removed according to Wikipedia policy. Timothy Joseph Wood  17:25, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks Timothyjosephwood. (Carlos Emanuel) (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Help with protected edit request
Certain editors have been temporarily blocked from editing Bain family murders for edit warring. Protected edit requests have been posted on the Talk page. This is an opportunity for other editors to step in between the protagonists and work towards a consensus. Unfortunately, no one seems willing to declare their position clearly with agree or oppose the protected edit that has been proposed. It would be helpful if editors who are not familiar with the topic could have a look. Where do I ask for help? Histrange (talk) 19:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, why don't you give a quick read to dispute resolution and follow the procedure listed therein? Thanks. Lourdes  10:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Oakland Oaks American Basketball Association
About one year ago I contributed my top 10 players for the Oakland Oaks/Washington Caps/Virginia Squires American Basketball Association for Wikipedia. My list initially listed on Wikipedia and then one day was gone. Could you please advise why it was there one day and gone another.

Mike Beardslee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.168.128.100 (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It was removed by this edit because your list wasn't encyclopedic and didn't reference any sources. uhhlive (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Which payment method should I use when donating to Wikipedia
The Wikimedia Fondation offer many payment method to make donations. A time ago (maybe two years ago) there was a discussion (in the French Wikipedia I think) about whatever Wikimedia should allow people to donate using Paypal. Some people were against the idea because of Paypal's fees. I can use many of the payment methods listed here. So what method with the minimum fees. Thanks. Hunsu (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the method with the lowest fees is likely bank transfer, but I don't know this definitively. You might be able to get an answer by e-mailing the address listed on that page. --47.138.165.200 (talk) 06:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That would likely depend on the bank, your country (in particular its currency), etc. - not sure the Wikimedia Foundation can really help. But you can always try. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have contacted the Wikimedia Fondation and here's their response: "We have negotiated the lowest possible rates and, as a result, our payment methods have very similar processing fees. When determining your method, we ask that you use what is most convenient for you. Likewise, a monthly recurring donation and an annual donation have the same net impact."
 * Hunsu (talk) 06:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Betty Chambers
Hi there. An editor wasn't happy with the direction Articles for deletion/Betty Chambers was taking, so they moved it to a draft before the deletion closed. I tried to revert it but it got messed up. Can you help? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the editor moving the article out of article space to their user space at User:BrillLyle/Betty Chambers seems like a perfectly acceptable outcome. I would think a speedy close at the AfD page would be the correct action (along with disabling the mainspace categories on the page and redirects that point to it, if any).  General Ization   Talk   21:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - But if the outcome of the deletion discussion turns out to be "delete", then the article is deleted. It's not saved as a draft.  It's deleted.  WP:DELETE seems clear about this: "deleted pages are not permitted to be generally viewed."  Also, redirecting an article that has been nominated for deletion--before the deletion discussion closes--is also not permitted. Perhaps someone else at the help desk could have a look at this. Thank you again.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We routinely userfy pages that editors post to mainspace that are determined for some reason to not be appropriate (at least not yet) for publication. Unless the page contains some sort of BLP violation (an assertion I don't see at the AfD), I see no issue with it remaining in draft form in userspace, where no reader will see it unless they happen to know it's there.  General Ization   Talk   23:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As for "redirecting an article ...", as I mentioned, any redirects from mainspace to the article now in userspace should immediately be deleted (R2) or re-targeted to other content as appropriate. Though I think you meant "moving" rather than "redirecting". Moving from mainspace to userspace is effectively withdrawing the article from publication and public view, not much different than deleting it. Other opinions are, of course, invited.  General Ization   Talk   23:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The editor who moved the article to their userspace (who was not the creator of the article) says "I am working with archivists from NARA and TWU now to gather more information so because this is going to take time I am moving this page to my user space in order to protect the work already done and so I can continue to develop the page. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 16:44, 3 November 2016 (UTC)". This seems like a perfectly reasonable solution.  There is no need to pursue an AfD when an alternative solution is reached.   General Ization   Talk   00:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've closed the discussion as voluntarily userfied. AGF, it will be fixed before returning to article space and it doesn't look like an attempt to game the system. If necessary, someone can always renominate at AfD if it comes back and still has a problem. Monty  845  01:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Berney baronets
Please place the box down the bottom closer up to the top - I cannot do this Srbernadette (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)Thanks
 * Why can't you? P p p er y 22:56, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

George Nevill, 1st Earl of Abergavenny
There appears to be the number 1 ( from the references section) accidently transposed on the picture of the lady on this page. I think it should be removed - what do you think? Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think I see what you are talking about, however visual alignment should not justify removal of sources. P p p er y 22:57, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if you misunderstand I am not asking to remove the picture - just to see if you help to explain why one can see  the number "1" amongst the text. It looks to us like the ref page needs to be removed down a bit so that the number is not accidently transposed onto the text. Please do take a look if you are able. Thanks so muchSrbernadette (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't see the "1" that you are talking about. P p p er y 23:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

It seems that since I asked for help someone has infact helped me! "Pppery" has been very helpful and has removed the number 1. all good Srbernadette (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)