Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 1

= September 1 =

Math formulas not showing on an iPhone display but seem fine on regular computer browser
I noticed today that some of the math notation displays on a regular browser, but does not appear on the iPhone using Safari browser.

It seems like the ones with the ":" tag are not displaying.

Or perhaps it is the lines starting with a "" tag?

Particularly, I am looking at the 4-gradient page.

Can anyone else verify this?

Is the problem Wikipedia, or the Safari browser, or iPhone Safari, or just my phone?
 * Phone, in general, see Village_pump_(technical) -- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Anthony Barber (basketball)
Reference help requested.

Hello, I was editing a page, Anthony Barber (basketball) and I received a message that I had made a reference error. I deleted a reference that was referring to something that was no longer needed in the article, but it showed up as an error in the references section. If I could get some help to get rid of the error message, that would be great. Because the info from the reference is no longer needed in the article.

Thanks, -- Miamiheat 631 Talk  01:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I removed the error. Fuortu (talk) 01:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Albert Spaulding Cook
Reference help requested.

I still can't figure out what I did wrong. I clicked "Fix" but couldn't see anything highlighted. When I saved, the reference error was still there.

Thanks, Wickert1 (talk) 01:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You didn't add "title" in the reference. Fuortu (talk) 01:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've tidied it up for you in these edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

James Matthews (racing driver)
Ref number 5 is done incorrectly - I did not do this edit myself and I am bringing it to your attention Srbernadette (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

✅ Eagleash (talk) 02:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) Thanks eagleash

James Matthews (racing driver)
Ref 7 and 8 are from the same citation resource (UK Daily Mail, but different articles)  - I feel they should be formatted the same way please help Srbernadette (talk) 04:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , I've fixed the format. Ayub 407 talk 06:57, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Reference desk - Computing - told to ask here
Mistake - Age Of Death	Edit On Wikipedia when a person dies this displays in their info box Died 1st January 2000 (aged 12) (change date/age) I've recently noticed a mistake in one so I went to change I was really confused by your coding, there must be easier ways or ones that don't cause mistake Like: 1.Just Write it like I did on 2nd line of this article or 2. Get Wikipedia to calculate the age byear- dyear and the bmonth-dmonth if =>1 -1 from age. (Or similar)

69.165.177.132 (talk) 12:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I think you might want to ask this question on the wikipedia: help desk instead of here. Margalob (talk) 02:20, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

206.47.215.180 (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The usual way to do it is with a template which does the calculation for you.   renders as August 29, 2016;  the detail of the parameters is at Death date and age. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * We have five million articles and they often do things differently. You didn't name an article and this is the only edit by your current IP address but David and I both tracked you down to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Jepson&diff=prev&oldid=736807552 this] edit. The article did use Death date and age to compute the age. It just had a wrong birth year as input after possible vandalism in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Jepson&diff=736786851&oldid=736745938] was only partially fixed. The article simultaneously had the parameters  and   in Infobox person. That's an inconsistency which could have been avoided if the template was recoded to get the death date in a separate parameter and reuse the given birth date parameter to compute the age. It wouldn't avoid an error if one of the dates was wrong but it would make internally consistent claims. There are however other complications with that method. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Dan Gurneys' state of health?
I'd like to know the current state of health of former racing driver Dan Gurney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.83.79 (talk) 13:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * P music.svg This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Entertainment reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. - Arjayay (talk) 13:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Propeller TV
I am a member of the digital marketing for the above mentioned company, which has it's Wikipedia at the address; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_TV

I'd like to request a change to the logo used, as it is an extremely outdated logo, which can be seen when comparing it to our website. I looked into trying to change it myself but was unable to, as the system is quite complicated. Can anyone help us to edit this, as the logo is also reflected in Google searches for our company and displays a badly outdated logo.

Please contact me for the correct logo. Haofeng93 (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Uploaded a new version of the logo. Joseph2302 20:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

CiCi Bellis entries
I am having trouble with someone who keeps deleting sections of my daughter's Wikipedia page dealing with her tennis career. The entries are factually correct. I have asked them to stop doing this but they persist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lydian64 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC) Secondly, as her mother, you have a very clear conflict of interest, so should not be editing her page at all, but suggesting changes, supported by reliable sources at Talk:CiCi Bellis. Most of the material you keep adding is unsourced, so whether it is true or not, it cannot be verified which is one of Wikipedias princpal policies, while some of it is not from a WP:Neutral point of view with words like "accomplished", "prestigious", "stellar form", "swept aside" and " convincing fashion". Please read and follow our policy on editing with a conflict of interest here - Arjayay (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Lydian64 - firstly please understand CiCi Bellis is NOT your "daughter's Wikipedia page" it is Wikipedia's page about your daughter.
 * I have reverted your latest re-addition, please do not re-add this material, or you will be in contravention of our 3 revert rule, for which you will be probably be blocked. - Arjayay (talk) 16:20, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Lydian64 has said that he is CiCi Bellis's father, not mother. Apart from that, I support everything you say above. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that most of the material you added to CiCi Bellis is unsourced. What you know from personal knowledge is of no use to Wikipedia.  Please read about verifiability, published reliable sources, and referencing.  Please also read about conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on The Bride (2015 film)
Reference help requested.

How do you want me to go about fixing this? I thought this was correct in how the page was supposed to be added.

Thanks, Movieman2 (talk) 17:14, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Question was asked and answered yesterday. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:19, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Script for Afd
Is there a known good script for closing Afds? I realize there may be multiple scripts to close Afds as I've noticed editors going about the same quite easily. Can someone experienced connect me to any recommended script which I could use (if I wished to close straightforward keep afds)? Thanks to you all in advance... Lourdes 17:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I use User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD and I think it works well. I'm sure there are others, but this one is common enough to be listed at the bottom of WP:AFD/AI. clpo13(talk) 17:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I'll try that out. Lourdes  01:03, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Update, it's working out quite well actually. Surprised at the speed with which procedural tasks can be completed so easily. Thanks again. Lourdes  03:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help, ! clpo13(talk) 15:31, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Problems with a Wikipedia Page
I'd like to speak with somone about how to get thye caveats on a Wikipedia page removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPATM (talk • contribs) 19:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Based on your edit history, I'm guessing you are interested in Patrick_M._Hughes.  You may be WP:BOLD and remove the tags at Patrick_M._Hughes yourself if you feel the article has been improved to meet the concerns listed.  If someone disagrees, they will revert your change, and then it can be discussed on the article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * However, if you are Patrick M. Hughes (as your username suggests), then you should certainly not remove them, as your Conflict of interest means that you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly. If you are Patrick Hughes, please argue on the article's talk page why you think the tags are no longer appropriate - you can add edit request to your suggestion to get it noticed - and wait for an uninvolved editor to come along and decide if your request should be carried out. --ColinFine (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

For non-finished articles
I was writing an article recently, but I have to log out my account. How do I save my contribution? Is it possible to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galy02 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * You can save your draft as User:Galy02/sandbox or User:Galy02/article_title_of_your_choice. See WP:userspace draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you David Biddulph for your help.--Galy02 (talk) 06:55, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Layout problem
Greetings, keepers of the eternal flame! I'm trying to centre a poem between two images in Ständchen, D 889 (Schubert), but I'm having a lot of difficulty. I imagine it's possible, but I can't find out how to do it. Any ideas, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MinorProphet (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I changed the alignment specification: centre -> center —teb728 t c 22:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you. ✅

Infobox signature
I have tried a number of attempts to include a signature image for the infobox of the Willy Stöwer article. Previously, (after giving up) I used it as the main image; an unsatisfactory result. Just now I replaced that with an actual photo, but would like to include the signature. Help! 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:F853:9A57:8459:1F05 (talk) 20:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Willy Stöwer uses Infobox artist which does not have a signature parameter. I did something else [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Willy_St%C3%B6wer&diff=737290515&oldid=737285503] to use the signature parameter in Infobox person. This trick only works for some infoboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Request it at the talk page and I will support it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:07, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, PrimeHunter -- nice trick. Odd that 'infobox artist' does not have signature parameter, yet 'person' does. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:F853:9A57:8459:1F05 (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Reliable Source
I provided more than one reliable source for my article. How do I remove the tag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LamprosK (talk • contribs) 23:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , that tag has been removed. Lourdes  01:06, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Luke Shen-Tian Chi was reject for article
Luke Shen-Tian Chi was reject for article.

Please review his case. The resource shows significant proof about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.104.177.151 (talk) 23:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've read Draft:Luke Shen-Tien Chi and I, too, would reject this advertisement for a new concept he seems to have made up. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:00, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You are forum shopping by asking both here and at the AFC help desk. The real problem is that it appears that the subject has coined a neologism and thinks that he has made a major contribution to scholarship, when there is no real evidence that he has made a real contribution to scholarship.  The study of spoken communication is not new; it has had the attention of philosophers since ancient times.  Just because he has given it a new name does not mean that he has made a notable advance in scholarship.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Apparently, I have personally look over all the major news coverage on him in China, and find he truly have enough evidence for contribution. We can all agree he coined new words. However, I founded there's something more. What he really did is he made spoken language into a discipline. So by all means is fair to say. That he continued, and add new concepts that assist second acquisition learner's from acquiring a new language. I also read his other stories. The guy is really a good; devout Christian man, and he cares about the educational situation in China. So let us all show him some love and support! And please let us never take anyone too lightly without seriously, thoroughly, in detail understand each person behind the article that we encounter.