Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 13

= September 13 =

Template funny
At the article Japanese writing system, there is an "Infobox" which displays "Direction: Left-to-right". This needs changing, but I cannot find where this text comes from in order to edit it. Can anyone shed any light? 31.49.180.151 (talk) 02:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , the Left-to-right appears because of the language code Jpan entered into the infobox. See Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data for details on codes. The infobox in the article you mention currently seems to refer to modern Japanese (rather than to the dated document exhibited just above the infobox details). And modern Japanese is written Left to Right. You can still take this issue up on the talk page of the said article and get other editors' comments. Lourdes  03:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is simply untrue to say that modern Japanese is (always) written from left to right. See for example Horizontal and vertical writing in East Asian scripts, which says "Vertical writing is still commonly used in Japan in novels, newspapers and magazines". In fact, I am reading a book right now published in 2008 that is written in the "traditional" vertical style. Both styles are used, and the "Infobox" needs to reflect this. Sorry, I am still a little unclear ... what do I need to physically change and where to get it to say something like "Left to right or (traditional) top to bottom"? 31.49.180.151 (talk) 03:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You will need to change the code Jpan with an appropriate code listed out at Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data. My suggestion is to first take this discussion up on the talk page of the said article. Get comments of other editors watching the page, and go by consensus that may come out after the discussions. Lourdes  03:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, do you mean that Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data is where I have to physically make the change? I don't see how I would do that. It seems to have only room for one preset code, not an arbitrary text description. BTW, anyone with any knowledge of the Japanese language knows that both styles are used. What I need to know is how to change it, not how to start a discussion about whether it should be changed. 31.49.180.151 (talk) 03:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't change anything in Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data. After clicking on the "Edit" button on your article page, search ( +F) for Jpan in the main article which you are editing. You will have to change Jpan to a relevant code listed at Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data that provides you the required right-to-left notification. Let me forewarn you that the Template:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data page seems to currently contain no key or code for the Japanese language that goes right-to-left. So I don't know which code might be relevant for you. Wikipedia works on collaboration and consensus forms a strong basis for productive editing by volunteer editors like you and me; so while you are free to change details on the page, you should be open to asking the opinion of other editors too on the said talk page of the article. Don't hesitate to come back for further assistance. Lourdes  03:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , I have added an ISO note within the article. Feel free to reword the same. Lourdes  04:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * (OP) Thanks for adding the note. I don't know how to fix it properly. I will leave a note on an appropriate talk pages(s) that "Direction: Left to right" is incomplete/misleading. I understand your concern about consensus, but in this case it is not relevant. It is a known fact that Japanese can be written vertically. Anyone who denies this is simply wrong. There is no room for any debate. I suppose there could be room for different opinions about the precise wording needed to describe it, but that is all. 31.49.180.129 (talk) 19:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Apple Cultivars
It would be wonderfully useful to add another column to the Apple Cultivars page. Disease Resistance.

Some wonderful apples are highly susceptible to different blights, aphids, etc. It would be very useful to know what cultivars have resistance to what blights and diseases.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.32.52 (talk) 02:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , if you are referring to the List of apple cultivars page, then information on diseases is not perhaps relevant on the said page, as that is supposed to be only but a list of apple cultivars. What you may be interested in is the information on diseases and pests affecting cultivars, already included in the main article on apples: Apple. Hope this helps. Lourdes  03:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Question about Jazz Jennings article
Would this be a good article to use a reference to say Jennings' last name isn't her real name and she is of Jewish descent?: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/gay-south-florida/palette-magazine/article25505500.html 50.68.118.24 (talk) 04:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * While on the face of it, the article supports what you are referring to, the correct place for such a discussion is either at Talk:Jazz Jennings or at the reliable sources noticeboard. Feel free to ask us for any further clarification. Thanks. Lourdes  04:49, 13 September 2016 (UTC
 * Currently, both of these facts are mentioned in the article, and both have citations. Have the citations been added since the OP's query 6 hours ago? If not, and the existing citations are sufficiently reliable, there seems no point in adding duplicate citations. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.211.191 (talk) 11:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:In the news
Can we have Kashmir Unrest back into ongoing section as curfew has again been imposed in the state today  Varun FEB2003    05:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Discussions belong at In the news/Candidates. It was removed at In the news/Candidates. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thuppaki, Tamil Film
DEAR TEAM, THE TOTAL BOX OFFICE COLLECTION OF THE TAMIL FILM TITLED THUPPAKI IS SHOWING MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TWO WIKIPEDIA.

THE FILM'S COLLECTION SHOWING IN 'HIGHEST GROSSING INDIAN FILM' IS JUST 121 CRORES.

BUT, IN 'THUPPAKI FILM WIKIPEDIA' ITS SHOWS 187 CRORES.

HOW IT CAN BE POSSIBLE.

ON THE OTHER HAND ALL ARE KNOWN THAT THE THUPPAKI FILM IS THE BIGGEST HIT IN VJAY'S FILM CARRIER AND IT HAS BEEN COLLECTED NEARLY 200 CRORES.

SO MY CONCERN IS KINDLY CHECK THE REPORT AND DO THE CORRECTION IF MY KNOWLEDGE IS CORRECT.

THNAKING YOU

ANTONY ALLWIN P G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.30.253.14 (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Courtesy Links: Thuppakki and List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films. Rojomoke (talk) 06:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Both facts are cited to sources, Antony Allwin P G, and in general it is not Wikipedia's business to decide between sources: if different sources report different figures, then if they appear to be equally reliable, Wikipedia should simply report that different figures are claimed. Here the higher figure, cited in Thuppakki, is not independent (it is claimed by the producer Kalaipuli S. Thanu), so preference should be given to the figure from International Business Times. In any case, the place to discuss this is on the talk page of one of the articles - probably Talk:Thuppakki. The "team" that you have addressed this comment to is composed of thousands of volunteers, most of whom have no knowledge or interest in Tamil cinema, and are unlikely to attend to the question. If you post it on the talk page, you will probably engage people with more relevant knowledge and interest. --ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Austin Mahone send it.jpg
Can someone put it for deletion (non free) I am unable to do so  Varun FEB2003    10:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Austin Mahone send it.jpg was uploaded to Commons. Click the "View on Commons" tab" (or "description page there" or the Commons icon at the top right) to get to the Commons page. Then you probably have "Nominate for deletion" under "Tools" in the left pane. I have nominated it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot  Varun  FEB2003    15:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Upcoming film deleted
we are new to creating a page for our Upcoming Gujarati Film, but the page has been deleted under speedy deletion. We have created a new page as per the guidelines. But seems that this page too would get deleted. Would we never ever be able to create a WIKI page for our movie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fly team (talk • contribs) 12:07, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record, the deleted page was a former version of Fodi Laishu Yaar by User:Fodilaishuyaar. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * PrimeHunter, thanks. I've deleted the page and hardened the block since the user is operating a shared account, probably an undeclared paid advocate, and definitely WP:Not here Jimfbleak (talk) 12:43, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

List of best-selling books (Includion of very old books in the article
Some very old books are include in this article. There are: Don Quixote (1612); The Oddyssey (8th Century BC); Divine Comedy'' (1304). It arise me two questions:
 * 1) How is it possible that relevant sources have been found for these metrics?
 * 2) Why there are include books from 8th century, 14th century, 17th century then books from 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th aren't include in entire of article? Dawid2009 (talk) 07:32, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . First your first question. The list you mention contains the names of those books whose status has been verified using reliable sources. You can check the sources mentioned alongside each book mentioned in the list, and if you have an issue with the reliability of any source, then you can take up the issue at Talk:List of best-selling books. And as far as your second question goes, if you have reliable sources that can support the inclusion of any book from the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th centuries in this list, then please go ahead and include the same. Please don't hesitate to ask anything else. Lourdes  16:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Hacking of page?
I clicked on link for main article about ship Monathan ( not sure of spelling.) instead of ship picture there was obscene image of a penis. Was this because the page was hacked or my computer? I kept off of page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.217.121 (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2016‎ (UTC)


 * There are two articles for US Navy ships named 'Monaghan'; USS Monaghan (DD-32) and USS Monaghan (DD-354). Both pictures appear correct when I view the page. If neither of these were the page you refer to please provide a little more detail. Please sign your posts on talk-pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for letting us know. You're right, the page was indeed vandalized. We took care of it immediately and fixed it, so nothing for you to worry about. - NQ (talk)  17:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Lost edit
I copy-edited part of The Richardson Gang page here, but some of the passage disappeared when I saved it in the normal way, and it also does not appear in any earlier version that I can find. Can someone help, please? ~ P-123 (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess it's fixed by [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Richardson_Gang&diff=739243713&oldid=739142646]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. The passage is still missing from the article.  ~ P-123 (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Then say which passage you refer to. My edit did reveal a hidden passage but there may be others. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC),
 * @PrimeHunter: The passage had reappeared in the article; I must have missed it when reading your edit. Sorry, and thanks. ~ P-123 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

inserting a logo into our infobox
Hi how do I insert our logo int the infobox on our page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frances O'Loughlin (talk • contribs) 15:01, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , please also read WP:COI, a Wikipedia guideline about why you should perhaps not be editing pages with which you have a close relation. Lourdes  15:49, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , please also read WP:COI, a Wikipedia guideline about why you should perhaps not be editing pages with which you have a close relation. Lourdes  15:49, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The first thing to note (don't worry, I will get to your question) is that "our page" does not designate anything in Wikipedia. Nobody in the world 'has' a page in Wikipedia. I assume you are talking about The Priory Institute: this is not your page, it is Wikipedia's page about the institute. Since you refer to it as "our page", I am guessing that you are associated with the Institute. If you are, then you have a conflict of interest, and you are strongly discouraged from editing the article at all; if you do you should declare this (according to the link above); and if you are an employee, or in any other way paid to work on the article you are required to declare this.
 * Having said that, supplying images, including the logo, is usually uncontroversial, as long as you do it in accordance with Wikipedia's rules, especially on copyright. Most images used in Wikipedia are free for anybody to reuse (either public domain, or licensed with a compatible licence such as CC-BY-SA). But logos are an exception: their owners understandably do not usually wish to license them for anybody to use, but their use usually meets all the criteria in the non-free content criteria, and so they can be used as non-free images. They need to be uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Wikimedia Commons like free images) with a rationale which explains that they meet all these criteria. You have changed the parameter in the infobox to "TPI Logo", but I cannot find either that you have ever uploaded such a file, or had it deleted, in either Commons or Wikipedia. Please see WP:LOGO for how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Anonymous user's Brexit rant
I'm just wondering if this posting should be deleted from the neutral point of view noticeboard. The same post was added by a couple of times yesterday to Talk:United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016, but the anonymous user was advised by two different users (myself included) that the page was not a discussion forum for adding personal points of view. Oh, and I've been accused of being in the pay of the Labour Party yet again. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * An IP user has equal rights to take an issue to WP:NPOVN. WP:TPO clearly prohibits deleting talk messages made by others without very good reason.  Unless you have a very strong reason based in clear and unambiguous policy, it is probably best to just let the issue be dealt with by the experienced people there.  It would be a bad thing for you to be judged to have inappropriately removed someone's complaint to a noticeboard.  You do have the right to follow it with your own reasonable comments, if you feel the need for that.  Note also the WP:FORUMSHOP at WP:RSN (not a clear reason for reverting either, IMO, let the admins deal with it).   Murph 9000  (talk) 15:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought that would probably be the case, but that I'd ask anyway. This was the original post subsequently removed by BethNaught on the grounds of WP:SOAPBOX. This is the final tranche of what comes close to a personal attack. This is Paul (talk) 15:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I get why you mentioned WP:FORUMSHOP now as there are two different discussions on separate noticeboards beginning with an identical posting from the user. I agree, this is definitely one for the admins. This is Paul (talk) 20:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Question about BLP archives
Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive193 mostly contains discussions from mid to late January 2014, but the last few date from Sep-Oct 2015. It seems to me that the proper place for them would be Archive 228 or Archive 229. Why are they in the wrong place? --Viennese Waltz 15:21, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * hello. The latter 2015 discussions were archived manually using OneClickArchiver, which has been regularly reported for this bug. Sometimes, the OneClickArchiver "will continue archiving to the same page until the counter is changed manually..." Any way, the OneClickArchiver is not maintained and is not recommended anymore. Hope this helps. Lourdes  15:44, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for the reply. Should the out-of-place discussions be moved to their rightful place in the archives? --Viennese Waltz 06:52, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , you can go ahead and do that. I don't see any evident issue in that. Lourdes  12:12, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Greenwich house - Admin requested to look at salt
I was looking at the articles that have recently been created by Articles for Creation and are in article space. They include Greenwich house. That is the way its title is written. I tried to move it to Greenwich House, but was told that the title was blocked from creation. I assume that means that it was salted. Either an administrator should move the article to the properly capitalized form, or the article has been added, either in good faith or in bad faith, in a way that it shouldn't be. Can an administrator please take a look? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that there is a Greenwich House Music School that was nominated for deletion, but was kept. Is that the problem?  Does the article in question need disambiguating, and should a disambiguation page be created?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * you may be looking for WP:REQMOVE.  Murph 9000  (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I have moved it for you, it was originally blocked for non-admin creation due to the continual addition of copyrighted material, you can add a hat note at the top to provide a link to the music school. MilborneOne (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I added a hatnote.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Reference Help
I have been updating and adding citations to the First Presbyterian Day School of Macon, GA Wiki Page and I need your help. The first citation down under References is red and says there is an error. Can you please help me figure out how to fix this? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryWikiFan (talk • contribs) 16:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, it looks as though you fixed that ref error. However, a lot of the refs were bare URLs. Please see WP:BURL and WP:REFB for more info. I have fixed several using the Vis Ed (which can generate formatted refs automatically) but there are still one or two to be done. Please sign your posts on talk-pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Think I got them all now. Combined the first two as you tried to. Eagleash (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Norman Saleet
Hello, How can I add a Wikimedia profile for Songwriter ‘Norman Sallitt’ (Norman Saleet). He wrote “Here I am” for Air Supply, “Where Did the Feeling Go?” for Selena and many more of the greats. I’d like to create a profile for him on wiki so he can be credited properly. Please let me know, thank you : )

“Here I am” for Air Supply on Wiki Here I Am (Air Supply song)

—Side note, he was the ONLY writer on the song. He originally sang and wrote the song himself as an Artist with RCA. Michael Masser and Henry Maslin were only the producers—

“Where did the feeling go?” Selena (Off the Movie Soundtrack) Where Did the Feeling Go?

—Side note again, he was the ONLY writer on the song.

Thank you,

Abbey Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbeyscott (talk • contribs) 18:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If you have a personal connection or other conflict of interest, you probably should not try to simply create the article yourself. You may wish to consider the Requested Articles process.  Otherwise, here's the standard reply about creating a new article:
 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Please see Your first article. If you'd like help going through the steps below, try the Article Wizard.


 * 1) Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
 * 2) Learn the basics of editing with the Tutorial
 * 3) Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
 * 4) Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
 * 5) Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
 * 6) Type the page name in the search box and click 'Go'
 * 7) Click 'Create this page'
 * 8) Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
 * 9) Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones.
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems the standard reply does not directly highlight another useful process. Please also consider the Articles for Creation process, where you can draft the article away from the main part of the wiki.  It is a lower pressure reviewed process where failing to meet standards does not result in speedy deletion.   Murph 9000  (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * [[Image:AROBAZE.png|20px]] Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet.  The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email [mailto:oversight-l@lists.wikimedia.org this address].  P p p er y 19:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments banner suppression
Can someone please provide the suppression markup for the Wiki Loves Monuments banner for (I'm guessing) my common.js. Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Assuming you're logged on, just going here and checking "suppress display of fundraising banners" should do it. &#8209; Iridescent 21:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Iridescent. Thanks for responding. I've had that checked for years (and before posting here, looked in the gadgets tab so see if anyone had added a separate suppression for this banner, as sometimes happens). I'm guessing it was not placed so as to be subject to that suppression scheme because while it is a solicitation, it is not a fundraising banner.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't get the banner in my country but I have seen code for a version using a div with id="wlm-banner" so try this in :


 * 1) wlm-banner {display: none;}
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a meta:Special:CentralNotice so the "Suppress display of CentralNotices" gadget should ideally work. - NQ (talk)  07:27, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That uses  and should suppress all CentralNotices and not just Wiki Loves Monuments. It also tries to avoid loading them before suppressing them. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, works perfectly.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Moving an article to a wikipedia in another language
Hello, I tried looking in FAQ and in the archives but came up empty on this:

I wrote an article in Russian and wikipedia says I need to move it to the wikipedia site in that language but it doesn't explain how to do that. Can anyone tell me how I can make this happen?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgronsky (talk • contribs) 23:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * please read carefully and follow all instructions shown here: meta:Help:transwiki. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 01:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Assuming you didn't copy it from elsewhere, you are the only contributor to the content in Павел Цаудер so there are no concerns about satisfying the license terms by crediting the authors. You can therefore ignore transwiki procedures and just create the page at the Russian Wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org. I don't know their policies or language but for the technical part, just enter the wanted title in their search box and click the red link to create the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ru:Павел Цаудер should take you directly the the same page name over on the Russian WP, for your convenience, where you can click "Create source" at the top and paste in your existing wikitext. Just strip the  tag from the source when you paste it over there.  I too am only giving technical advice, I have no knowledge of RU-WP policies and guidelines.   Murph 9000  (talk) 03:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)