Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 16

= September 16 =

Adding Copyrighted Content
Hello. I was updating information for an artist/professor based on her CVs, documents from her past shows, etc. I have permission to do this, but as I understand, Wikipedia doesn't want me to put this in there without specific copyright being given to them.

What would it mean for Wikipedia to "get the copyright" for this original content that would be placed here. Yes, a lot of the project descriptions, etc., are simply copied from these statements. But they are just that: the project descriptions. If she's okay with releasing the copyright for this, can I go ahead and restore the revision I had once that is done and all set?

This is the page in question: Lia Halloran

Thanks!

- Adam Aottke (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Aottke, Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or the professor, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. Also note that if you have a conflict of interest when editing this article, you must declare it. Any text you post here must be released under this licence or be public domain, since it is free to use, amend and distribute for any purpose including commercial use Jimfbleak (talk) 08:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, CVs and material produced by the article's subject are unlikely to be written in the encyclopaedic language from a WP:neutral point of view that our articles require. Our articles should reflect what has been published in reliable, independent sources, including any that may be critical of the artist/professor, which they are unlikely to volunteer, so need seeking out. - Arjayay (talk) 08:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what a subject says about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees, employers, agents, or associates, say about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection to a subject have published about them in a reliable place. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Deletion process
One of the articles that I edited, R. C. Hörsch has a notice that it is being considered for deletion.

The complaint (that it is a hoax) is unfounded. However, I can find no way to respond to this and/or provide information.

Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S. E. Stokowski (talk • contribs) 00:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, it is not the article but the article's talk page which had been nominated for deletion by a new editor. Let me also mention that the nomination had been done in error. The nomination has been subsequently closed by an editor and I have taken the liberty to remove the deletion template on top of the talk page. In future, when you see such notices, you would also notice a link within the notice that takes you to the deletion discussion page, where you can give your comments. It was the same in this case too. Thanks. Lourdes  01:27, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text - need to remove a footnore
I'm editing the Schneider Electric article. How do I remove a footnote?

Global Editor 15 (talk) 01:47, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to the error message "Cite error: The named reference AR2014 was invoked but never defined (see the help page)." ? If so this is appearing because a reference name has been used without that name being assigned to an actual reference. At the first use of the reference write . Then at each subsequent instance of its use you only need write . Eagleash (talk) 02:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It seems one of your edits created the situation outlined above, leaving the reference "orphaned". Fortunately in this case a 'bot' has fixed it. Eagleash (talk) 21:11, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Muhammad
Please delete images about our prophet (Muhammad peace be upon him) on page Muhammad — Preceding unsigned comment added by JPeerzada (talk • contribs) 05:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Or, for more detail and some workarounds, see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For further information, also see: Depictions of Muhammad. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:2CE0:95AC:AF5:3ED4 (talk) 06:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

administrator contact
I wish to contact an administrator who deleted a page. My reason is that I'm unhappy with that the page was deleted. I did not create the page. I could find the deletion log, but didn't get how I can contact the administrator (no email address was provided).

Many thanks, Kristina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.67.13 (talk) 14:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Kristina. No. there will not be an e-mail address, but on the deletion log, just to the right of the administrators name it will say (talk|contribs) in blue - click on "talk" which will take you to that Admin's talk page, and ask there - Arjayay (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , what was the name of the article that got deleted? Thanks. Lourdes  16:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Lourdes asked what the article was. That is because this is the only edit that has been made from your IP address.  One of the disadvantages to editing from IP addresses is that they shift.  Please consider creating an account.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Altough it is very common from unnotable persons unhappy with their autobiographic pages being deleted to claim that they are someone else (in the hope to avoid deletion, maybe), we should trust "Kristina" here when they say they did not create the page. It is then possible that they did not make a single edit before, so an account would not have helped. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Deleting 'Draft' history
On Wikipedia's advice, I used the ‘Draft space’ to create an article (Draft:Ardel Wray). It never crossed my mind that the history of changes I made while drafting in this space would be visible to others while I was working, or that I could not delete that history which would be visible even after the article was moved into the public space. I understand the purpose of retaining the history of “public” articles; but draft copy, even if not defamatory or in violation of copyright, includes information that does not belong in a public manuscript, and I would like to have that draft history - over 500 edits by now - deleted. Can you tell me how to do that? If I can’t delete the draft history, would it be possible to delete the draft article completely and then create a new article from scratch without carrying over the previous article draft history, as it did after I changed accounts? This is biographical material and it would be difficult, but not impossible to rename it if that’s the only way to solve the problem.

This is probably ‘my bad’ as they say. I no doubt missed something in my initial review of your site’s rules – perhaps re the difference between the ‘Sandbox’ and the Draft space – but in any case I would appreciate your help with this.

Thanks. SW 18:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swarren16 (talk • contribs)


 * not an answer, just some comments.
 * I think most Wikipedia editors regard drafts as public, even though they are not "part of the Encyclopedia". There is a good reason why their histories should be preserved: if the draft is converted to an article, its contributors must all be given due credit.
 * User sandboxes are, in a sense, not "public", but the "property" of the user. I would regard it as rude to edit another user's sandbox without permission. But their edit history is still preserved.
 * Renaming a page (technically known as "moving" it) does not destroy its edit history.
 * If the draft in question becomes an article (and indeed even if it doesn't, as long as it still exists) it is possible for anyone to see all the edits you made, right back to its creation. Look at any article: you are likely to find that the first dozen edits were all made my the same user. But what that user did in each of those edits is so boring that no-one is ever likely to show any interest in it.
 * If you are the only contributor to this draft, I believe that you can request that it be destroyed, along with its edit history. You can then recreate it. But there seems little benefit. I'm sure I made some embarrassing mistakes when I first created an article; but frankly, if someone is so bored that he digs it out and examines them, he is welcome to whatever amusement it gives him. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Swarren16, the only way to hide the edit history from readers is to delete the page, however when you subsequently recreate it, those new edits will be visible to readers. It makes no difference whether it is done in draftspace or a sandbox, the edit history must be kept as a condition of the Creative Commons license. Unfortunately, as you are not the only contributor to Draft:Ardel Wray it cannot be deleted simply because you want it, you have to provide a valid policy-based reason to delete it. With very few exceptions, the history of all edits by all users is visible to any reader. "Secret" editing is impossible. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:27, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that he is the same user as, , but created a seperate account to fix the inappropriate username reported on his talk page. P p p er y 20:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Even so, there are at least two other contributors besides Swarren16 and WrayEstate, so db-user would be invalid anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The editors of Draft:Ardel Wray are: WrayEstate, 2605:E000:630E:600:248F:5E79:1C1B:999A, 2605:E000:630E:600:8193:9A4F:B3D:270C, Swarren16, CAPTAIN RAJU. CAPTAIN RAJU only removed a space and doesn't need credit for that. I will accept Special:Log/WrayEstate as evidence that WrayEstate is Swarren16. If you log out and post "I am Swarren16" with an IP address similar to 2605:E000:630E:600:..., then I will accept you as sole author of the draft and delete it on your request. You can then create it again (make a copy of the source before deletion!), and there will be no other visible edits in the page history. If you make further edits to the new version then they will be in the page history. Some users develop drafts in sandboxes like User:Swarren16/sandbox and later copy-paste the contents to an article or other page. Such copy-pasting is allowed by WP:NOATT if you are the sole author of the copied content. The sandbox will have a visible page history but can be deleted on user request with db-u1. But you can also just blank or reuse it without having it deleted. The copied page will not be associated with the sandbox it was copied from. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:34, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I am Swarren16. I am both WrayEstate and Swarren16.  I am the only contributor to this draft article.  I have a backup of the draft article.  Please delete it.  Thank you very much for your help and I will take your advice and use the Sandbox in the future. SW 21:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have deleted it. By the way, please uncheck "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences to get a valid signature. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In which edit did the IPv6 address confirm deletion? P p p er y 22:18, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * After further study of the page history I chose not to pursue that. The IP edits were limited (net addition 237 bytes but did also reformulate a few things), they looked like the author writing and not somebody else fixing things, the page was a newly created unsubmitted draft, the timing made it likely to be WrayEstate logged out (6 minutes between editing same section), and Swarren16 said "I am the only contributor". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Image size too big in infobox.
Hello,

I am currently creating a new draft on the mineral Krut'aite (User:Ceasars Salad/sandbox/Krut'aite), but the image I added in the infobox is way too big, and no matter what I enter into the infobox, it doesn't change. This is the image in question: File:Krutaite-91146.jpg

Thanks, Ceasars Salad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceasars Salad (talk • contribs) 19:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

The matter seems to have resolved itself after reloading the page multiple times.\ Ceasars Salad (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It was fixed by this edit, by Fuortu. Eagleash (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Verify and User Check
High-profile criminals David Packouz and Efraim Diveroli appear to have teamed up and are constantly "fixing" their own Wikipedia pages, violating WP:TE, WP:BIAS, WP:NPOV, BLP, COI, DE, and others. Packouz and Efraim are using User:Factdefender. They are both removing references to their crimes and failure to deliver contracts, and constantly whitewashing their pages. Best course of action? --FuzzyGopher (talk) 21:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You appear to be in an edit war with another user. Stop!  Discuss changes you disagree with on the article's talk page.  If that does not work, then follow the guidance at WP:DR.   RudolfRed (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I offer no opinion about which edits are better or correct, as I've not taken the time to read references, and properly evaluate the content. What is clear to me, is that there is a content dispute.  Please read that link for details on how to deal with it.  As a first step, I strongly encourage you to calmly and clearly state your case on each article's talk page, commenting only on content and changes to content (and not the contributors).  That is an essential first step in dispute resolution.  Beyond that, follow the advice linked in the official policy, and especially be sure not to break WP:3RR, even if you are certain that you are correct about the content.   Murph 9000  (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yikes, I will hold off on further edits. Sorry about that! Okay, thank you for the advice. I will accordingly open up a talk page discussion. Thank you. --23:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FuzzyGopher (talk • contribs)
 * Done, and done, thanks, guys! --FuzzyGopher (talk) 03:42, 17 September 2016 (UTC)