Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 25

= September 25 =

Pippa Middleton
Please remove the two funny symbols beside the link "Middleton" in the "parents" section on this page. I don't understand it at all. Thanks so much 101.182.142.35 (talk) 00:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Click here and attempt to remove it yourself please. They are just extraneous brackets. --Majora (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed them. As Majora has already said, they're just extraneous brackets. Fuortu (talk) 00:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Please check ref number 11 (it is NOT from a newspaper but from an on-site magazine called "House and Heritage") and Thanks for your help - do not get upset  and please help - it's always appreciated here 101.182.142.35 (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And it really doesn't matter at all. The citation is there and is fine. We aren't getting upset but we also want people to at least attempt to do things themselves before running to us to help. We are all volunteers here and it gets a little annoying to have to answer the same questions from the same people again and again. It makes it seem like the person asking for help really doesn't see us as volunteers but instead as "tech support" who will fix any problem they have. That isn't how we do things. You have been editing Wikipedia for over a year. Plenty of time to understand simple editing and to fix your own mistakes. At the very least, long enough to attempt to fix them yourself. We will still help if you really can't understand something, but there has to be at least some attempt to learn. Else it will just result in an endless barrage of the same questions over and over and over again. Fixing extra brackets should not be something you require the help desk to do. It should not be something you need other volunteers to do. If there is a problem be bold. Make at least a rudimentary attempt to fix it. Don't come straight to us. --Majora (talk) 01:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear --Majora I am sorry that I upset you (I actually DID  remove the brackets myself!) - I am too scared to add in the "House and Heritage" title to the ref. I do not know where it goes. Sorry again. I will just leave the citation as it is - it is NEARLY correctly done! 101.182.142.35 (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Pippa Middleton
On my phone - but not my desk top - there is a "cite error" after ref. Number 10. I thought I had done all edits correctly. Please help. Tjanks101.182.142.35 (talk) 03:36, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Britain's most admired companies
What are the categories included for Britain's most admired companies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.24.127.69 (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I doubt there are any categories for "admired" companies as such: such a category would be subjective and promotional and hence inappropriate for Wikipedia. You can find British companies generally in Category:Companies of the United Kingdom and its subcategories. —teb728 t c 05:32, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, admired is a subjective term. Joseph2302 07:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. If your question is about the list published by Management Today then see http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/bmac-2015/criteria. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Barranco de Badajoz 2
Place references of all kinds. Because the registered user does not convince me any:

In Spanish:


 * Guía de Canarias Mágica
 * El barranco de Badajoz. Naturaleza encantada.
 * La historia del barranco embrujado

In English:


 * Badajoz ravine - aliens, nazis and paranormal activity
 * The glowing beings of Badajoz Ravine
 * Mysteries and legends of Tenerife

Video:


 * Los misterios del Barranco de Badajoz

I hope these references may be useful. Thank you.--81.33.205.232 (talk) 08:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that you have also made this request in the proper place for it, the talk page of Barranco de Badajoz. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Infobox error messages
The Answer (Steven Universe) has two infoboxes. The second one emits the error "Warning: Display title "The Answer (Steven Universe)" overrides earlier display title "The Answer (Steven Universe)"" (permalink). How does one get rid of that?  Sandstein  12:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It conflicted with DISPLAYTITLE function at the beginning of the article. I explicitly disabled italic title in the infobox. Ruslik_ Zero 12:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Sandstein   12:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Harm/due weight in BLP with limited sourcing?
Hi, I was hoping someone could advise me or just jump on in at on how to handle a potential harm issue when the BLP has very limited sourcing. AfD closed as no consensus (full disclosure, I was a delete voter), but the search for sources turned up a U.S. Congressional campaign finance issue that had not previously been included in the entry. Now we have four reliable secondary sources on the campaign finance issue, and only six on all the rest of the subject's life, three of which come from the same outlet (and all ten have pretty limited coverage, nothing truly in-depth). Another editor has since added in the campaign finance thing; entry's creator deleted that in its entirety. I'm at a loss! I'm concerned about harm to the subject who I believe has not been in the public eye enough for us to write an entry that would give properly limited weight to the campaign finance thing; but I'm also concerned about leaving it out amounts to cherrypicking for only favorable coverage, which is bad for the encyclopedia and readers. Would love some more experienced advice on this. Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , hello. Take it to BLPN. They have people experienced in responding to similar situations. Lourdes  15:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes that's a great idea. Thank you ! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

8 string classical guitar
I thank Michael "Bink" Knowles for his message informing me that he deleted my attempted contribution to the article on 8 string guitar, considering it seemed promotional given that the subject was my own work. I understand this reflex. Nevertheless, I am among the pioneers of the 8 string classical guitar and have done in depth work to expand its repertoire and vocabulary. And I am probably the only one in the classical field to have installed a noise captor on an 8 string classical instrument for experimental purposes! There are of course others who are not yet mentioned in the article (Rafaela Smits, José Tomàs). I consider that a small mention of my work would be justified and not out of place. Thank you for your attention - Steve Gibbs, guitarist, composer, musicologist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve Gibbs 8 cordes (talk • contribs) 16:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Steve. Before we go any further, are you the Steve Gibb (Stephen Thadius "Steve" Crompton Gibb) that we have an article about?  That was the biographical article which your edit linked to.   Murph 9000  (talk) 16:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Murph9000. No, I am not Stephen Thadius "Steve" Crompton Gibb, who is the subject as you say of an existing article. I am Steve Gibbs (8 string classical and experimental guitarist, composer, musicologist). Thanks in advance for your help - Steve ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.27.97.241 (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming that, Steve. So, we have a number of issues with your edit, which collectively explain why it was reverted by .  Firstly, and this isn't a major reason for rejecting it (it would be easy to change/remove the link), it linked to the wrong biographical article.  Secondly, it was unsourced, which is very important.  Thirdly (and the first two points contribute into this), there was no clear indication of notability, which is extremely important.  Lastly, combining the previous factors and the wording of the edit, it had the overall appearance of being promotional.  Now, none of this is to say that your intentions were anything other than good.  I have no idea if you would meet our notability standard, as I don't have enough information about you, but the way it works is that we require credible independent evidence of notability.  Please read the linked guideline on notability — if you believe you probably meet the criteria there, we can work with you to create content about you.  Note that we strongly discourage people from writing about themselves, as there is a conflict of interest, but are usually quite happy to take constructive suggestions and feedback from the subjects of articles.  Hopefully that explains things to you.  So, the rejection isn't necessarily a permanent thing, it's based on what we have seen so far.  The Apple iPhone was famously rejected by Wikipedia for failing to meet Wikipedia standards, in the early days before its release as a product; then later added when it did meet our notability standards.  Anyone or anything rejected by Wikipedia can certainly be added later if the reasons for rejection are addressed or change.  If anything is unclear, or you have any more questions, please do ask.   Murph 9000  (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the notability problem is the foundational one, which led me to remove Steve's text as promotional. I looked up Steve Gibbs online and found a few listings, a few mentions in passing, and an interview on a blog, but there was not enough third-party material to satisfy the notability requirement at WP:MUSICBIO or the more general guideline at WP:GNG. Steve needs to have more publications take notice of his work before a biography can be written here. Until then, the guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE says that we should limit the listed examples to notable people. Binksternet (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Referencing/sources
I've been editing and in some cases rewriting articles that have been poorly translated from Portuguese into English. In regards to references, in nearly all cases they are written in Portuguese only and there are no English pages/refs available. Is it ok to use non English refs/sources for an English written article? I'd appreciate any help on the subject. Thanks MadMark80 (talk) 18:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. It is recommended to use the  parameter in whichever citation template you are using to quote the passage being referenced (maybe a sentence or two at most). This allows people to verify the translation. See WP:NONENG for more details. ··· 日本穣  ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 18:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that, much appreciated! MadMark80 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Why does it take so long?
Hi! I sent a contribution of mine on 20th of August; after two very quick reviews I have improved the text a lot and I consider it is up to published. Problem is that it has been pending since that day. How can it be that the first two reviews (more complicated because the text was long) took only five minutes, and that for the final version it takes more than one month? Have I done anything wrong? Any suggestions? The draft I refer to is:

thanks, marco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernpendler (talk • contribs) 19:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

JUST GOT THE REVIEW; DISREGARD WHAT I WROTE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernpendler (talk • contribs) 19:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Just a brief note to help you understand things. We get a huge volume of new article drafts to process, and Wikipedia is almost entirely volunteer effort.  Right now, there's over 900 drafts awaiting review.  Sometimes you will get a quick response if a reviewer happens to glance in the direction of your draft and can quickly reject it over an obvious issue, but mostly they have to wait their turn in the queue for a more detailed review.  It is generally still better (and most of us would probably strongly encourage it) for new or inexperienced contributors to go through the draft and review process, as creating a new article without drafting very often results in speedy deletion.  Please feel free to ask any more questions here, although questions specific to the Articles for Creation process might be better to be asked at WP:AFCHD (the dedicated help desk for that process).   Murph 9000  (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Date of birth on biography
I DO NOT WISH MY BIRTHDAY AND AGE TO APPEAR ON MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE. CALIFORNIA GOV. JERRY BROWN ON SATURDAY 24, 2016 SIGNED A LAW REQUIRING WEB SITES TO REMOVE AN ACTOR'S AGE OR BIRTHDAY UPON REQUEST  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena bagutta (talk • contribs) 21:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Elena. Given that you are making a legal claim, we can't properly address this issue here.  Please see Contact us - Subjects for details of how to email a specialist experienced team of people who can properly deal with your request.  Thanks.   Murph 9000  (talk) 21:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I do not see any obvious age or date of birth on Elena Fernández.  Murph 9000  (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I DO NOT WISH MY BIRTHDAY AND AGE TO APPEAR ON MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE ARTICLE. CALIFORNIA GOV. JERRY BROWN SIGNED A LAW REQUIRING WEB SITES TO REMOVE AN ACTOR'S AGE OR BIRTHDAY UPON  REQUEST. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena bagutta (talk • contribs) 22:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Elena, as I have very clearly explained, we can not deal with legal claims here. Please do not ask again, you have been clearly told how to proceed with this above.  Additionally, please stop SHOUTING!   Murph 9000  (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown in a box to the right of a Yahoo search? Such Yahoo boxes use a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Yahoo presents our information, but a Yahoo box has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Clarification to save other editors from spending time on this: the birth date and age were removed from the article over six weeks ago, on August 11th, and have remained absent ever since. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The feature film: BAD HURT credit omissions.


Hello, my name is Mark Kemble and I am the co-writer and director of the future film, BAD HURT. A wikipedia page was recently created but there are several important omissions on the page.

Please ad these credits: Jamieson Stern: PRODUCER   {Jamie is already credited with co-writing but this producer's credit is missing.} Igor Kropotov:   CINEMAPTOGRAPHER Calvin Dutton:   Acting credit, he portrayed the character: WILLY CRUM Iris Gilad:          Acting credit, she portrayed the character: DEE DEE KENDALL BAD HURT was among the top ten audience favorites at Tribeca Film Festival. It had its theatrical opening in February, Two-Thousand Sixteen in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and other cities.

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5EC3:42E9:25AD:E427:F69D:5262 (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)