Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 28

= September 28 =

Cite error on Major Arena Soccer League
i accidently created this error--Cite error: A list-defined reference named "exmo141224" is not used in the content (see the help page). on this page---Major Arena Soccer League and dont understand why please help want to fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floridaboy321 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, you placed the references in an incorrect section. The same has been corrected. Read referencing for beginners before proceeding further. Lourdes  03:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Traffic from links within specific articles?
Everyone, I'm trying to understand how links in specific Wikipedia articles are used.

I know how to verify article-specific traffic using https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/. Is there an equivalent, to check link traffic in each article? Thanks for any pointers. --TuCove (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by "link traffic"?  Murph 9000  (talk) 04:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. I want to understand traffic on links in the article (to other Wikipedia articles, links to external sites, etc) as if analyzing any other website i.e.from total unique user article visits, 1) how many # users clicked any link on the article 2) how many # clicks did each link on the article get?. --TuCove (talk) 04:47, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's certainly not something that MediaWiki can do by default. Tracking page requests is basic and easy.  Clicks on links are not easily trackable in a standard web page, it needs some relatively complex JavaScript and a heavy and complex back end, e.g. Google Analytics.  I don't believe the WMF have added anything like that, but I could be wrong.   Murph 9000  (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Jeremy Wayne Ramsey


Why would someone say the following and remove information that was true and concise just to free up server space memory is cheap I would think?

This article uses material from the Wikipedia article Jeremy Wayne Ramsey, that was deleted or is being discussed for deletion, which is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. I followed the link that denoted who was responsible and there reasons for the action is is as follows 04:09, 10 July 2012 Mojo Hand (talk | contribs) deleted page Jeremy Wayne Ramsey (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)) I would think the fact that it stated a born date open ended and spouse and children would indicate that this is a real person and significance is a subjective thing as the mojo hand individual held no significance to me until this act the fact that someone had taken the time to make the entry should have been enough to let it stand unless it was shown to be in error and I dare anyone to challenge any fact of the entry I will put my money where my mouth is and 1000 bitcoins to any challenge to the truthfulness of the entry i am not some nameless faceless entity i am Jeremy Wayne Ramsey son of Hubert the hog farmer Grandson of Victor the Blacksmith Father of Alexander the swift and 3rd degree MM Keeper of my realm. Should someone wish to discuss this further Feel free to contact me at.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.31.196.53 (talk) 04:30, 28 September 2016‎ (UTC)

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Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are: To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted:
 * The subject did not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the topic
 * The page appeared to be blatantly promotional
 * The page appeared to unambiguously violate copyright
 * The page appeared to be a test
 * It was vandalism
 * 1) Go to the Deletion Log
 * 2) Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
 * 3) The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed

Murph 9000 (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Some people think that articles are deleted to save server space or that saving server space is an excuse for the deletion of articles. Deletion doesn't save server space, because the deleted articles are still visible to administrators.  It just keeps them from being publicly viewable and indexed.  Deletion is based on notability and other policies, and the need for server memory just grows.  Server space isn't related to deletion.  In this case, the deletion was A7, no credible claim of significance. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Information on Tim Kramer
I was a personal friend of Tim Kramer in 1968 & 69. Everytime I read his birthdate it's 1958. this cannot be true. I assure you he was NOT 10 years old when I knew him in 1968, I was 18 yrs., & we were in the same Scout Troop then & he was an Assistant Troop Scout Master. Please change this on your pages about him.He was born closer to 1952. Thank You. Steven Rogers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.186.44.12 (talk) 07:28, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * As there are no references given for his birth date (or almost anything else in the article), I've removed it. Rojomoke (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * A browser search still finds two "1958" in the article.  finds lots of sources, and both external links in the article say 1958 after I fixed the IMDb link. It's possible a porn actor would have lied about his age but we don't usually accept unsourced claims from posters. In my experience most "corrections" posted here are wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks. I've removed the DOB from the Early Life paragraph, and the 1958 Births category.  I assume the rest of your comment is directed to the OP, and not to me.  Rojomoke (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

How To Add Company
please help me to create our company wikipedia page for "Medispa Hair Transplant Center"

what are points for this to get it published — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.179.150.238 (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

To create an article, follow these steps:
 * 1) Read Your first article carefully.
 * 2) If you don't have an account, consider creating one (it's not essential, but it makes some things easier, especially communicating with other editors) and logging in.
 * 3) Learn the basics of editing with the Tutorial
 * 4) Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
 * 5) Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
 * 6) Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
 * 7) Use the Article Wizard to create a draft.
 * 8) Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines. Base the article on what the references say, rather than on what you know.
 * 9) Once you believe that your draft meets Wikipedia's requirements, submit it for review by picking the "Submit your draft for review" button in the draft.
 * 10) Be aware that many drafts are not accepted the first time, or even the second time they are submitted for review, for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are particularly likely not to be accepted, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. I'm afraid that, like many people, you are confusing Wikipedia with a social networking or advertising site. Wikipedia does not have "company pages". What it has is articles about many subjects, including companies. These articles are, or should be,written neutrally, and based wholly on what sources unconnected with the subject have written about the subject. Wikipedia is hardly interested in what anybody or any company says or wants to say about themselves, and promotion of any sort is forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Draft of Tim Solly
A few questions... how/when can my page be reviewed so that the 'draft' status is removed? (site is Tim Solly) Also, how come the site comes up as being a wikivisual link, rather than a wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alysolly (talk • contribs) 11:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For your first question, I think you should go through Articles for Creation. That page says that you should add  to get it reviewed; I will add it shortly if you do not mind. I suggest you use the article wizard in the future (though of course that is not an obligation).
 * Actually, Murph9000 added the usual AfC template. You just have to click to submit once it is ready. - edit 11:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As for the second question, I do not understand it. Can you clarify? Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Alysolly. I have added a special header to your draft, which has a button allowing you to submit it for review.  Just click "Submit your draft for review!" when you are ready.  It will normally take some time for a reviewer to fully review it and accept or decline it, unless they spot an immediate issue.  If accepted, it will get published, and if declined you will get an explanation and hopefully some advice on how to address the issues.  It can often take multiple review cycles before a new submission is accepted, but stick with the process as solving these issues at the draft stage usually avoids the article getting deleted later.  There's around 900 draft articles in the queue, and we are all volunteers (including the reviewers), so it can sometimes take 2–3 weeks unless it's a quick and easy decision for them (they do sometimes take a quick glance at the newest submissions as well as oldest).
 * As for the site, i'm honestly not sure what "wikivisual" is. Make sure that you are accessing , and not some other URL.  If you continue to have problems with that, please let us see the exact URL that you are ending up at.
 * Please feel free to ask any more questions, or for detail on anything that is not clear.
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you related to the subject of the draft? If so, you should declare a conflict of interest.  Having looked briefly at the draft, I don't see anything obviously wrong with it, which doesn't mean that I am ready to accept or decline it, but I don't understand the question about a wikivisual link.  It looks like a draft.  Robert McClenon (talk) 11:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Kabaddi World Cup series not correct
pleaseits a humble request kabaddi world cup series are not correct as the circle punjabi kabaddi cup are mixed with the one played indoors. when i was browsing through all the cups from 2013, when i reached 2014 and i clicked next and it pened the 2016 indoor cup please remove that from the series as the circle cup will take place this november. Please!!!Please!!please somebody do this becoz i dont know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.25.186 (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It looks like the 2015 article was deleted twice. My guess (since I can't see what was in it) would be that someone created it, but it did not have sufficient content to meet our minimum standards.  The Help Desk isn't really the place to request a new article, although someone might spot this and create it if they know enough about the sport and can find the information needed for the page.  I suggest that you leave a message on Talk:Kabaddi World Cup, suggesting that someone creates it (but they must fill it out with reasonable content, otherwise it will get deleted again).  You can also request it at Requested articles.   Murph 9000  (talk) 14:52, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, it might help if someone includes a link to Kabaddi somewhere near the top of the 2014 - 2016 articles, such as in the introduction of the articles. I had no idea before reading these that kabaddi is a sport. In fact, I had to look up kabaddi since it's not linked from anywhere in the articles. † Dismas †|(talk) 15:50, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Reference to mirror site
An editor (Njone35) edited three articles today by replacing "Citation Needed" with references to Wikipedia mirrors. (I have reverted all three edits.) The first one I noticed was American Revolutionary War, and the reference provided was [] which is basically a word-for-word copy of the WP article. Is there a bigger issue here? Isn't there a list of websites that are blocked from being used as references because they are not reliable? Or is there some automated way to prevent this (would some bot perhaps have caught this). Is there something else that should be done? MB 16:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a WP:BLACKLIST of external links but it is intended mainly for spammers AFAIK. You may want to ask the question at the talk page here. However, if that is a single IP's problem, the best procedure is probably to welcome, warn, and block if behaviour continues. Tigraan Click here to contact me 06:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Arnold Palmer
I'm surprised that Arnold Palmer is not "In The News" on the front page as he passed away on 25th September. Seth Whales  talk    16:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * This was discussed on 26 September, see In the news/Candidates, but it appears that it was felt the article was too poor to link to on the front page. - Arjayay (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Good to see all the hard work by contributors has now put the article on the front page. Seth Whales   talk    08:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

I just discovered
this file, File:Terrorist Anna logo.png and I suspect that it should be speedily deleted but am not sure how to do that, to nominate it, so if a couple of you could look at it and see if you agree and then perhaps (1) let me know where to do it, or (2) just do it. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Without clear evidence to the contrary, I just gave it a CSD G10 tag as an attack. I.e. that would need one hell of a good explanation to be something other than an attack in my view.   Murph 9000  (talk) 18:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. WP:TW is your Swiss Army tool for stuff like that.  Murph 9000  (talk) 18:25, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks,, I have a swiss army knife on my belt, I will add the one you just donated to my "editing wikipedia" sheet. I don't run into this stuff very often, this was pretty much a fluke, but there it is.  Thanks again, Carptrash (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A reasonable explanation can be found in the deleted edits, but not good enough to prevent its deletion. So it has gone. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
I just found the note sent regarding Conflicts of Interest. Thanks for advising me on that. I have a question. How do you go about adding someone to Wikipedia? I started a page on Pat Shingleton but now see that there will be a huge problem due to me being his wife and wanting to add him. There is more than enough information on him in publications/video/etc to back up everything written. I'm not sure what the best manner is to proceed. Of course I am probably very prejudiced but the amount of citations should override my bias... shouldn't it?

Mabyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabyn Shingleton (talk • contribs) 18:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Mabyn, thanks for being open with us about the COI. Since you seem quite willing to work with us, this should hopefully be relatively easy to deal with.  I've recorded your message here as your official declaration of COI, on the article's talk page, and have tagged the article for COI to ensure that the reviewers are aware of it.  Getting this all out in the open at an early stage, while still a draft is really the best possible scenario.  Please carefully read the COI information on your talk page, and the information it links to.  It should help you understand what we mean by neutral, and you can hopefully help us maintain neutrality in the article.  The reviewers should be able to help with that, now that they are aware of it.  It should be fine for you to do the technical bits of editing the draft, such as sorting out the references, acting on specific feedback from the reviewers, etc.
 * You can continue to carefully work on the text while it's in draft, just avoid piling on the praise and adjectives unless they really are very clearly justified by the good independent reliable sources, and review what you have already written to see if it needs to be adjusted for bias / neutrality. Remember that Wikipedia does not really want to know what you say about him (or what he says about himself), but what the independent sources say about him (both the good and the bad, with suitable balance).  Rather than give you any more right now, please come back to us once you have had a chance to read the various COI and neutrality information, and ask specific questions.  I have also dropped one of our standard welcome messages with lots of helpful links on your talk page.  Thanks.
 * See also: Conflict of interest
 * Murph 9000 (talk) 19:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If you write in neutral point of view, it shouldn't be a problem. Submissions will be declined if they are promotional, even if they have many reliable sources. Fuortu (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Why was my page GHAZIANI deleted?
Recently I created a page Ghaziani, and next day it was deleted. Can someone help me with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrovic031 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It was deleted once, then you recreated it, and it was deleted again. Ghaziani shows you the deletion log with the reasons for deletion. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are: To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted: Murph 9000 (talk) 06:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The subject did not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the topic
 * The page appeared to be blatantly promotional
 * The page appeared to unambiguously violate copyright
 * The page appeared to be a test
 * It was vandalism
 * 1) Go to the Deletion Log
 * 2) Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
 * 3) The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed