Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 April 19

= April 19 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no key
i am trying to put in a page number into a citation.98.146.230.82 (talk) 02:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Study this help page: Help:References_and_page_numbers. DonFB (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If this refers to Ruby Ridge, you have tried to insert the page number within the ref name. This won't work. The reference is used multiple times within the article and the first instance is at the end of the 'Development' section, where the full ref is cited. You could copy the wording of the ref. to the later location, edit it to remove the extra wording and add the page No.  but I wonder if you are intending to fix all the other missing page Nos. from that report also? If so you may wish to look at WP:REFB as well particularly the section on alternative systems. Eagleash (talk) 10:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Inquiry as to copyright issues
For a few years now, students in one of my courses have an assignment to create a Wiki page. The topic is supposed to be about something having to do with Middle East Media. The goal is to create original wiki entries. Previously, the students had no issues posting images with their entries. This semester though, many have come to me to complain that their images have been rejected. In one case, the student was creating a page for a film that was directed and produced by my colleague. They have 100% authorization to use the image for the film that they wish to include in the Wiki page. Yet, the photo was rejected - I am assuming by the Wiki administrator (or a bot?). The students score a higher grade for using photos, images, or illustrations. In another case, the student was creating a page about a TV series. Since the original photo was rejected, she created her own illustration. SHE CREATED IT. Yet, this item was rejected, due to copyright issues. So, I am making a general inquiry here as to why this has become a bigger problem as of late. And also, how can the students navigate this terrain - in instances where they do in fact have the proper permissions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.200.44.226 (talk) 09:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. I'm concerned that you are setting your students assignments to work in this site when you apparently have little understanding of how it works (the fact that you think it is called "Wiki", but more importantly, that you think that "the Wiki administrator" is a meaningful phrase, and that you apparently don't know how copyright works here). Have you read WP:Education program/Educators? You need to know enough about Wikipedia to make sure that the assignments you are setting are possible according to our rules and policies.


 * On the specific issue, permission to use an image in Wikipedia is not, and never has been, sufficient: we require that an image have been explicitly released by the copyright holder under a suitable licence that allows reuse, such as CC-BY-SA. It is possible that we have become more careful about monitoring this. Please see Help:Copyright WP:Image use policy. The original link is about reusing material from Wikipedia, which is not the issue here
 * If your student created the image, and asserted while uploading it that it was her original work, and that she granted a suitable licence, that should have been accepted, and if it was not, we should look into that. But if it had already been published anywhere (even if she was the creator), then unless it was explicitly released under a suitable licence, it could not be used here. If you tell us the image in question, or the user name of the student, we could investigate further. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello IP, is absolutely right in all points. I would add that that you start your journey about understanding copyrights by reading WP:Image use policy.If any clarification still remains after you've read the suggested reading, please do come back here and don't hesitate to ask away. Thanks.  Lourdes  10:54, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Without examples it's hard to tell what was the specific problems. You don't say whether the images were uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons which has other policies. See Copyrights and commons:Commons:Licensing for the offical policies. Many images are deleted for insufficient or inappropriate license information. Many uploaders think they have the proper permissions but actually don't, for example if they took their "own" photo of an already copyrighted image, or if they only have permission to use an image in Wikipedia. We allow our content to be reused so it must also be allowed to reuse the images elsewhere. Another problem is undocumented claims that the uploader has permission. There are unfornutately many uploaders who make false claims so images with dubious claims may be deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
Working on an article about Chris Manson. Attempting to site different references and I'm running into errors. trying to understand how to properly site references. can you assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamchrismanson (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, you need to define the references E.g. . You only need to do this at the first instance of using a particular ref. If you wish to use it again you can then just write  . Please see WP:REFB for more information and WP:CITET for a list of templates to use. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Other Wikipedia articles should not be used as references but can be linked by placing their name in  . I have eliminated the error messages in Draft:Chris Manson.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chris_Manson&diff=776185120&oldid=776184013] See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to actually make references. Note Conflict of interest. Articles must be based on published reliable sources and not personal knowledge. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Johannes Ruysch
I tried to edit the first reference because I wrote the paper and am the first author to this:

Moon-struck: artists rediscover nature and observe. Olson R.J.M. & Pasachoff J.M. Earth, Moon, and Planets Vol. 85-86, 1999, pp. 321-323

However is put the change below the third reference:

Moon-struck: artists rediscover nature and observe. Pasachoff J.M. & Olson R.J.M. Earth, Moon, and Planets Vol. 85-86, 1999, pp. 321-323

Ruysch World Map: Census and Commentary, Donald L. McGuirk, Jr. Imago Mundi, Vol. 41, 1989 (1989), pp. 133-141

Marcus Beneventanus, Nova Orbis Descriptio ac Nova Oceani Navigatio, qua Lisbona ad Indicum pervenitur Pelagus, in Marco da Benevento & Giovanni Cotta, Geographiae Cl. Ptolemaei..., Anno Virginei partus M.D.VIII, Roma, 1508, pp.103-125.[1]

Moon-struck: artists rediscover nature and observe. Olson R.J.M & Pasachoff J.M. Earth, Moon, and Planets Vol. 85-86, 1999, pp. 321-323

Can you please help to correct this mistake? Also it would be good to know how to correct in the future?

MANY thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.2.90.153 (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I have corrected the error. When editing a Wikipedia article, we don't put references in the "References" section, we put them where they are cited. Then the software displays a little superscript number where we put them, and actually displays them in the references section.
 * Two things still need to be fixed: the formatting of that reference is poor; and it's wrong to put a citation attached to a section header, it should follow the statement which it confirms. I will fix the formatting. But I can't move the citation to where it should be, because I don't have access to the source, and so can't tell where it ought to be cited. Maproom (talk) 15:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

NCAA Division II Women's Basketball Tournament
Good morning!

It was brought to my attention that on the NCAA Division II Women's Basketball Tournament page, under "Championships By School," Ashland should have years 2013 and 2017 listed. Currently, only 2017 is listed. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.241.225.73 (talk) 14:48, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:SOFIXIT. Or discuss the matter on the article's talk page, not here. --ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It has been correct for a week. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit requests on protected pages
How do I get someone to edit protected pages? I made a couple of edit requests a couple of months ago on the Talk pages for certain Israeli prime ministers (to do with the inconsistent numbering of those prime ministers), but nobody has responded to my request.JayZed (talk) 15:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Judging from your contributions, I'm guessing you're talking about requests you made at Talk:Benjamin Netanyahu, Talk:David Ben-Gurion, and Talk:Yitzhak Rabin. If you place the template (including the brackets) at the top of your post on each of these pages, the requests will automatically be added to Category:Wikipedia extended-confirmed-protected edit requests and will be seen by more people. Otherwise, it really depends on someone happening to stumble upon your non-templated requests and deciding to read them and respond.  Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   15:27, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In future requests it's easier to start by clicking the "View source" tab on the article and follow the instructions. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Cleyson LeRoy Brown
Can you guys make a page for him? here's a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:374A:8F70:6863:18BD:77DC:9A63 (talk) 15:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * He appears to pass the notability guidelines. I'll check the article for creation listings to see if he is on there. L3X1 (distant write)  15:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * He is also on this page. 2602:306:374A:8F70:6863:18BD:77DC:9A63 (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You also might want to write about the Brown's home (not their actual home, I think) and Brown's park. 2602:306:374A:8F70:6863:18BD:77DC:9A63 (talk) 16:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
I have entered details of my academic and literary career with references which are cited but it seems they are needed again? I would be grateful if you could help by seeing it is in order  Malcolm Jack  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolm jack (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I corrected (in ) the numerous formatting errors in your refs. You need to read Help:Referencing for beginners.  You also need to read Wikipedia's guidance about conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Duplicated Contributions: result of today's maintenance work?
I noticed some duplicated contribution on my page, and they are only on that page, the edits are not down twice in actuality. I asked on Kiwi IRC, and someone else said they were not suffering the problem. Is this a bug? Thank you. L3X1 (distant write)  16:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a bug today for some users. See Village pump (technical). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Unauthorized password reset attempt?
Recently, I received a password reset notification. It was definitely not sent by me and I do not recognize the IP address. The IP address was 86.123.229.51. This is the message: Someone (probably you, from IP address 86.123.229.51) requested a reset of your password for Wikipedia (). The following user account is associated with this email address: (omitted) Why would someone try to do this? Also, this means that someone has guessed both my email account and my wikipedia username? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmarius (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The e-mail is sent to whichever address you have registered with Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, don't worry. It only means somebody entered your username at Special:PasswordReset which is linked on the login screen on "Forgot your password?". They don't know the email address stored in your account. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)