Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 August 7

= August 7 =

Scottish clan chief
I have stuffed up ref number 11 on this page - all we were hoping to do was correct a spelling error - i.e. "its". Please fix Sorry Srbernadette (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Trouble with alignment
Hello, I have been trying to align a table ("Applicant Statistics") located at Georgetown University so that it appears below Template:Infobox US university ranking and on the right hand side, but am not sure how to do this. I've tried a few different things, none of which seemed to work. Any ideas would be much appreciated.  Ergo Sum  02:05, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, one way to achieve that is to use class="wikitable floatright" . For your benefit, I've done that. Thanks.  Lourdes  06:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Equalcompare (talk • contribs) 03:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

This appears to relate to Neeraj Mehta. Missing closing  and ext link in website. Eagleash (talk) 03:38, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Protected from creation
Hi, How can I create a page, if the title is protected from creation? How can I solve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khachik Gevorgyan (talk • contribs) 07:19, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm guessing that this refers to User:Khachik Gevorgyan/BetConstruct? Articles with that name have been deleted five times over the past year, for various reasons. On a quick look, your draft looks a reasonable start, but I haven't looked at it carefully or evaluated the references. I suggest you submit it for review, by inserting {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) at the top. When somebody reviews it (which might take a few weeks) they will either decline it and give you advice how to improve it, or they will accept it and move it to mainspace. --ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, this refers to User:Khachik Gevorgyan/BetConstruct?. This is the translation of an already existing article, but I can't publish it. Will they review translations too? —Preceding undated comment added 12:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

The "alt right" page is entirely biased
Many pages about the right wing on Wikipedia are disgustingly inaccurate and biased.

The alt right page claims that the alt right is a loose group, which it is, but also claims that in favours white nationalism. Some alt right people are white nationalists, many are simply patriots. It also claims that the alt right is homophobic and anti-Semitic, despite the fact that some of the alt rights' biggest leaders are gay and Jewish, for example Milo yiannanopolous or Ben Shapiro.

The pages about the left/right wing and right wing politics are woeful aswell, and any edits I have made have been removed.

Wikipedia is being used as a tool for people pushing a left wing political agenda and misrepresenting their opinions as facts.

I ask that you review and restrict the pages about left/right wing politics and take a historical view as to what left and right wing actually mean, rather than forcing a leftist agenda. They claim that racism is a right wing idea! Anyone can be racist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuelallen2002 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Wikipedia articles are required to be a neutral summary of what the reliable published sources say about a subject; we don't always achieve that, but that is what we are aiming for. There is no editorial board: all decisions are made by consensus, according to our policies. As I am sure you realise, this is a highly controversial subject, with strong feelings on different sides. The place to make suggestions for improvement is the Talk page Talk:alt-right; but I urge you to read through the long history of discussions already on that page and its archives before you wade in. --ColinFine (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Also to bear in mind that all Wikipedia does is cite and summarize professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, without elaboration nor commentary. "Neutrality" does not mean that we create equal amounts of (artificial) validity for all viewpoints, it means that we give each view point due weight in proportion to their prominence in sources.  We also require users to assume good faith from others, which is rather hard if one assumes that there's some sort of conspiracy force a leftist agenda.  If the articles appear to be the product of a leftist conspiracy, it's because "Reality has a well known liberal bias."  Ian.thomson (talk) 13:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

how to insert jpeg files to article
I have some logos and pictures to upload our faculty page given by their owners. please tell me how to upload them step by step, and prevent the future removal of photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IdealM (talk • contribs) 08:21, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The owners may have given the photos to you, but they probably have not transferred ownership of copyright. It would be much better if the photographer uploaded the pictures to WP:Commons and provided the appropriate copyright declaration.  Logos are usually copyright so it would not be wise to upload them, but in some circumstances it might be appropriate to use one in an article under WP:Fair use.    D b f i r s   08:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . While properly licensed photos are often welcome to add to articles, please be aware that Faculty of Medicine, University of Kelaniya is Wikipedia's article, not yours, and it is absolutely not your job to edit and update it. It is Wikipedia's page about the faculty, and Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the faculty have published about it in reliable places, and hardly at all in what the faculty or its members have said or want to say. Please read our advice for editors with a conflict of interest, and restrict yourself to suggesting changes (preferably with references to independent sources) on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Cite template for leaflets and signage
Which of the many cite templates is best suited for referencing leaflets published by a museum? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect that any one of, , or will be the best fit because with those, title is rendered in upright font and quoted:
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I ran into this issue while introducing a new user to WP. It's the first time I've had a face-to-face meeting with anyone about WP, I'm feeling quite pleased as I turned an IP editor who "dumped" a lot of unsourced content into an article into a registered editor and gave her a few pointers for future editing. She brought along a handful of leaflets from a local museum as sources for expanding the article about my hometown. She also photographed signage in the museum which I hope can also be cited. There's a book I need to get hold of for further content that I've hidden until I can get it done. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * On the subject of citing photographs of signs and the like, I've used this approach a couple of times recently; if there is a more appropriate way to do it (perhaps with a template), I'd be grateful for advice.  Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  12:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * it should be possible to cite signage without having to first upload photos, let's see what the referencing gurus have to say... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * [Non-guru comment] There's a cite sign template that seems to do this job. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I hadn't found that template: thanks, I may make use of that.  Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  21:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

William Oke - Add two images
Greetings, I would like to improve the "William Oke" page by adding two photographs that depict William and his wife, Sophia. I do not know (1) the copyright approval process by Wiki; (2) the criteria for what makes an acceptable graphic/image; (3) how to crop or size the image as needed for posting; and (4) how to code the page to actually present the image on the page and in an appropriate location on the page.

I have identified the photograph of Sophia Oke that might be approved by wiki as copyright ok. It is located here: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205380974

Can someone assist in approving and placing this image on the William Oke page adjacent to the "Family" section? I could also search for some images of William Austin Oke to post on the page as well and forward for consideration. Klossoke (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)klossoke


 * Isn't that photo restricted to "non-commercial" in its re-use licence?   D b f i r s   17:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I believe it is restricted to non commercial use, and if so it is unavailable for use on Wikipedia, as it is not licensed with a free license that may be used on Wikimedia Commons, where (almost) all photos and videos used on Wikipedia are held. You may wish to visit the copyright village pump at Wikimedia Commons to ask for more help on this (as it may possibly be in the public domain if it is old enough). You may find this file interesting in helping to understand what is allowed to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons.  Seagull123  Φ  20:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this helpful information. I will visit the copyright village pump and also look for images that specify they are in the public domain. Klossoke (talk) 10:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)klossoke

How to indicate that a book chapter is "in press"
It seems like there needs to be a date but the chapter was written in 2017 and will be published in 2018 so not sure what to do except to say that it is "in press". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.192.117.159 (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * So are you saying that it's an (as yet) unpublished, in any form, source? How can anyone check it? - X201 (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think Grand Challenges for Social Work is the article in question, so I'm pinging into this, as they recently cleaned up the article. - X201 (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, . My involvement with that article was limited to removing some text that had been copied from other websites, and unfortunately I don't know anything about the subject, so I don't know if I can be of much assistance on the substantive front. As for the Wikipedia policy question, if the source in question hasn't yet been made available to the general public, it sounds like it wouldn't meet Wikipedia's definition of a published work, and as such we wouldn't be able to use it in the Grand Challenges for Social Work article. I assume the book in question is ? Thanks, /wiae /tlk  17:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Red banners
If I pay donation, I will stop seeing red banners? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.67.24.32 (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello. The short answer is no; donating to Wikipedia has no quid pro quo with suppressing banners. Alternatively, logged-in users may suppress the banners by going to Special:Preferences, clicking on the "Gadgets" tab, and ticking the box next to the statement "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner." This will also suppress the smaller banners advertising other Wikipedia events. While you're at it, you can also tick the box next to the statement "Suppress display of Central Notices." Don't forget to click on "Save", which is right at the bottom of the page. As I said, you'll have to login to do all this. Come back here if you need more assistance. Thanks.  Lourdes  06:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

uploading a photo onto a page
Hi, I just tried to upload a photo - File:Violin bow fibula .jpg - onto the fibula page, in order to provide an illustration of the referred-to "violin bow fibula", mentioned in the Bronze Age Fibulae section, and was not allowed to do it.

David Van Vleck, Jr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Van Vleck, Jr. (talk • contribs) 23:46, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Your attempt to add the image to Fibula (brooch) failed only because you got the syntax wrong, including the prefix "File:" twice. I have corrected it. I suggest you expand the caption a bit. When you post on talk or discussion pages, like this one, please sign your contribution with four tildes ( ~ ). --ColinFine (talk) 00:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi for future reference:


 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.  Seagull123  Φ  16:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)