Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 December 3

= December 3 =

2018 NCAA Division I FBS Template
Can you move the 2018 NCAA Division I FBS Template from the talk page to the draft page please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see previous day's enquiry under "2018 SEC Football standings" Noyster (talk),  12:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * As well as posts on 29 November (and multiple earlier enquiries). Eagleash (talk) 12:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Donation E-Mail
To Wiki-Staff,

I believe many people would like to donate to Wikipedia, but the page that pops up seems like a scam. Is there a way we can be sure that credit card information will be safe? Please let your followers know how to proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B428:64D3:F841:79AA:D28D:FB55 (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If you don't trust the pop-up, go to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give and use one of the links there to make your donation. RudolfRed (talk) 01:21, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You can also start by clicking the "Donate to Wikipedia" link below the globe logo at the top left. If you are on the mobile version of the site then first click "Desktop" at the bottom. The link goes to https://donate.wikimedia.org which (unlike Wikipedia) cannot be edited by the public. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

File
I ran across a nomination for deletion of, also , that is used on DeRidder Commercial Historic District, but the page states "There are no pages that link to this file.". I added this file to DeRidder, Louisiana. I am sure this has something to do with when files were transferred to commons but really have no idea. Can someone let me know what is going on? Otr500 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You linked to a diff from 2010. The tag was removed a few hours after that.  It is not currently tagged for deletion.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:16, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Otr500 (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Should unborn children be counted in death tolls?
Someone edited the page on Susan Atkins to include Sharon Tate's unborn baby in the death toll for the LaBianca murders. I get this is a bit of a controversial subject, but is there a consensus or a policy I could reference on whether or not fetuses should be counted in death tolls? Mattster3517 (talk) 04:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, I don't recall any policy or guidelines on this. While different states have differing views on this (for example, the Texas law), in my opinion the article should contain as the death count precisely what is reported by reliable sources. Adding or not adding based on one's own view would be original research. You can ask for comments on the article's talk page for reaching consensus views. Other editors at the help desk might have more insightful views on this than I have. Thanks,  Lourdes  07:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

ITK Education Services Pvt Ltd
An educational start-up in India promoting special employability skills to school and college students. Works closely with Academic Institutions, Govt Departments and Corporate companies to bridge the gap in talent supply-demand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph.india (talk • contribs) 06:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, what is your query? If you wish to suggest an article be created of this organization you can do so at Requested_articles; if you want to start an article on this organization, first read up on how to create your first article. But again, do please confirm what exactly is your query. Thanks,  Lourdes  07:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * , It may related to the topic he ask on Help_desk., before you create an article, please check yourself do you have WP:COI with the organization or not. wikipedia is not a free webhost of self-promotion. If there is no COI, than did the article have external citation to support its WP:GNG or not. Matthew_hk   t  c  16:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Copyright question
The first reference in the article Fuzzy cognitive map is a PDF from the author's university website. (In fact, the author has all of his papers available in PDF-form on his website.) However, the paper is also published in a journal called Presence, and it's definitely not free access. I don't think that even the authors can distribute free copies of published papers - am I correct in this? Leschnei (talk) 14:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid it's not clear to me what you are asking, or why. If you are asking for the purposes of Wikipedia, then I can't see what the problem is: this is a reference, not a copy. If you are asking for other purposes, then we cannot give legal advice. But it is certainly common for people who have works published by others to continue to do things with their own copies. --ColinFine (talk) 17:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear. The url link goes to a PDF copy of the published paper; a paper for which MIT Press holds the copyright. My question was specifically, should I remove the url link from the reference because it's offering free access to a product that is not free. Before the days of internet, authors were given a limited number of reprints when their paper was published; if the authors wanted more reprints, they had to buy them. I don't know how/if the internet has changed this. We don't provide free access to books that are under copyright; is this any different? Leschnei (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , he ask whatever (possible) copyvio link should be removed or not from citation., i don't think Help desk is a place to judge whatever the publisher owned the copyright or the author. Some academic book the author retained the copyright of the text, which the publisher owned the copyright of the formatting or "edited work" only. Matthew_hk   t  c  19:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is what I was getting at - from the MIT Press webpage: "MIT Press allows authors to share their work for noncommercial purposes via the following nonprofit websites: their institutional repository, their personal webpages hosted at the institution, their personal website...." Other publishers have a similar policy, so the PDF on the authors's website is fine. Maybe I'm the only one who was not clear on this but my publishing days were early-internet, so I wanted to make sure that I wasn't violating copyright. Thanks all, Leschnei (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Based on your quote of the MIT policy, the author has permission to have the copy at the site we link to, so its presence there does not constitute a copyright violation. We are free to link to any web page that is not a copyright violation: a link is not itself a copy and therefore cannot violate a copyright. By Wikipedia policy, we choose to not link to a page that is itself a copyright violation even though such a link violates no law, but this policy is not violated by our link. -Arch dude (talk) 00:45, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the confirmation, Arch dude. Leschnei (talk) 11:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Anyone there???
Hi. I've been trying to initiate a dialog by contacting your info-en@wikimedia.org address, but can't get an answer to any of my queries. Is that email address active? (If not, could I suggest you remove it from your help page.) Thanks, Dale  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaleLaceyNZ (talk • contribs) 21:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * , Could you point out which page you find the e-mail? Matthew_hk   t  c  21:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It's found by clicking the "Contact Wikipedia" link at the bottom of the page. Leads here Contact_us  RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , the best place to initiate a dialog about Wikipedia is right here on Wikipedia, in most cases. Yes, that email address is active but it gets an enormous volume of inquiries and is often backlogged. Another alternative is to email an administrator, and I am an administrator. If your question involves highly sensitive privacy issues, there are other means of communication. A rough description of your concern would be helpful. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  21:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * More detailed information can be found at Volunteer Response Team. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  21:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I am one of the more active agents monitoring inquiry sent to info EN. Very roughly, those queues were severely backlogged but we were largely caught up over the summer and fall. There is a recent new backlog for couple of reasons including the influx of queries related to the donation drive. I did a search for any queries in the last year from DaleLaceyNZ, And found none but that's probably because you wrote to that address using a different name. If you would like me to track down your query sent there I can, however, that address is primarily for readers who don't know how to use Wikimedia forums. If you know how to use the forum as you now do, this is a better place to ask questions.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , I received an email from DaleLaceyNZ, who expressed an interest in creating a project to expand our coverage of Contract bridge. I explained that we already had a Wikiproject on that topic area, and encouraged them to discuss the matter on Wikipedia. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Puzzled, so the query has already been answered? Not sure why I didn't find it, but there's enough to do without tracking this down.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  19:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , he emailed me directly as a result of this thread. It was not an OTRS communication since I am not active there. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I get it. I see your name everywhere, so I thought maybe you were an active agent.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  02:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

My first talk page archiving experience
I just had my first experience archiving discussions that were no longer relevant on Talk:Electric_toothbrush. I followed the manual Help:Archiving_a_talk_page.

I noticed some edit summaries when creating archives include a Wikilink to the new archive page like this one. I tried to do that by including the page name in the edit summary but it didn't make a wikilink. :( How do I include Wikilinks properly in edit summaries?

Do most folks use an automated archiving solution? Which do you use? I've tried Archy McArchface on the sandbox which does the trick. Ericandrewlewis (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * All wikilinks, whether in edit summaries or wikitext, must be in double square brackets.  produces Talk:Electric toothbrush/Archive 1. It's most common to use the two bots mentioned at Help:Archiving a talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)