Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 December 30

= December 30 =

Sort stubs by byte size?
Is there a tool that would let me sort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_Libraries_articles by their byte size, largest to smallest? I've tried PetScan but I can't drive it well enough. This would let me and others easily identify which of these stub-class articles are likely to in fact be of higher quality. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Try posting at Request a query; someone may be able to do this with a database query. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

New Graphics for NBC Sports in 2018
I Hope there's new graphics on NBC Sports this weekend there better be. Cause I'm Sick of the current ones it needs to go or else we will be stuck with these graphics but not forever until hopefully Super Bowl LII Because networks show new stuff for there super bowl coverage. I hope I'm right if not GET YOUR LAZY BUTTS IN GEAR. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 01:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not the appropriate place for this comment. We have no control over what NBC does NZFC  (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Want to make sure I have set up archiving right at Talk:Quentin Crisp
I have not set up an archive except once long ago manually.

I hope to set up Talk:Quentin Crisp for automatic archiving of threads when they are two years (17520 hours) old, and to have the current content passing that date archived. I would also like ClueBot III to do this now.

I have added this code:

Can anyone advise me if the code is correct, and if not, either fix it for me directly, or tell me what parameters to change?

Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 02:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It seems to have done the archiving, but you probably ought to include a means of navigating to the archives. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ..., which I've hopefully done in . --David Biddulph (talk) 10:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The automatic archiving seems to have missed one thread, which apparently wasn't signed conventionally, but you can presumably move that manually to the archive. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Great! Thanks a lot, everybody. I simply deleted that one unarchived comment, since it wasn't relevant to improving the article. Happy New Year to all. μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

BTW, I do have a follow-up question. Should the "archivenow" parameter be removed, given the archiving is up to date, and no action is necessary until the next run of the bot? Or should I leave that line of code in place? My understanding was that its purpose was to draw the Bot's attention given there was unarchived material older than the age parameter that needed attention. Again, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You're misunderstanding the purpose of the archivenow parameter, which means "archive threads that contain these templates regardless of their age", not a request to expedite the bot work. Deleting that parameter would mean that threads tagged with User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow would no longer get instantly archived, but would have no further affect, thus you could delete it or not as you wish. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 04:39, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

2018 in basketball
Can you Move the 2018 in basketball from the talk to the draft article please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 02:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You know you can move it yourself? I don't know why you are creating all these pages then asking here for someone to move them? NZFC  (talk) 04:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is it in talk? You have been asked several times to create pages via the article wizard or draft and then submit for review. Eagleash (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * could this be a way for the IP to get past the review process for new pages? By creating them on the talk page then asking here for some more established user to move them, it makes them seem more legit and less likely to be declined? NZFC  (talk) 06:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I feel it's a variation of WP:GAME. The editor seems reluctant to follow SoP, which ultimately, can only end badly. Eagleash (talk) 06:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You will also note the same IP's decidedly uncivil comment at above, and on numerous previous occasions. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the IP should pull his finger out? -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 10:05, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Cunobeline
Good morning. I have opened a membership in the last few days having used the site previously as a non-member. I am reasonably familiar with XML so editing the site is not difficult for me. I have to say that I am not impressed by the site and I doubt if I will continue membership. Some of the facilities are certainly useful, though I have only experimented thus far: Hotcat, Purge, Twinkle. Being able to move a page would undoubtedly be advantageous and the watchlist is very handy. I understood that I would be welcomed and given good advice and guidance about site protocol, policies, useful information, etc. but nothing like that has happened and I have had to find out things for myself. It would, for example, have been nice if someone could have issued me with something to explain all the preferences options. I have selected a few for use, and discarded a few too, but half of the remainder are meaningless without explanation of their function.

Where I have encountered a real problem is in the unacceptable attitude towards me of someone calling himself "Nicknack009". I have no wish to "blow my trumpet" but please accept on good faith that I am a subject matter expert (SME) in ancient history, especially the period of Roman history from, say, Sulla to the death of Marcus Aurelius. I am well aware of Cunobelinus, as I would call him, and I thought I could improve that article a little, as I have done with two or three other articles. It may well be that, given my inexperience of the site, I breached a certain protocol about the use of BC/AD but it was not pointed out to me by the first editor who reverted part of my update. I tried again and left a comment that as the subject was not a Christian, it would be more appropriate to use BCE/CE notation.

I have subsequently been accused not once but twice by this Nicknack individual that I am an "AD/BC zealot" and I have to say that I find this insulting, especially as he did not merely correct my CE notations but also wiped out everything else I had done as if it was rubbish. This is unacceptable. I saw the BC/AD protocol after his first revert and said I would respect it. I have done so in my latest update of the article a few minutes ago. I'm afraid I saw red when I was twice called a "zealot" but that sort of sarcastic, dismissive, insulting behaviour by a supposedly experienced editor is completely unacceptable.

I am aware by received wisdom from multiple sources that this site is struggling to keep good editors. If people like this Nicknack can go around behaving in a territorial manner and shouting abuse at newcomers, it is hardly surprising.

I will probably not be available again till about Tuesday or Wednesday but I will look in when I can and I will decide then whether it is a good idea to continue as a member. As things currently stand, that is unlikely. I am not at all impressed. VZ (talk) 11:54, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, your edits changing the dating style were first reverted by , who left a concise explanation in the edit summary. You reinserted the dating style, and that's when reverted your addition again using the term "revert WP:ERA zealotry" in the edit summary. You once again attempted to change the dating style with a misleading edit summary (claiming you will respect the guideline... but actually didn't), and were reverted again by Nick with a similar "zealotry" edit summary; post which, Nick proceeded to leave a well-worded and quite a decent note to you on your talk page. Not only did you delete this note calling him an "a__hole", you proceeded to his talk page and again addressed him as that (apart from telling him to "stick zealotry up his..."). Honestly, it's a wonder you've not been warned more strongly for attacking an established editor like that. Personal attacks like what you made on Nick can lead to editors getting blocked – so avoid that from hereon.
 * At this juncture, I would strongly suggest to you to apologize to Nick, and take up editing discussions on Talk:Cunobeline – basically, follow the procedure described at dispute resolution than call editors names. Also, please give a deep read to edit warring, which is another way your account may get blocked, if you continue reverting other editors without consensus. Feel free to write back for more assistance – but stop your current line of attacks and reverting behavior immediately first . Thanks,  Lourdes  13:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I won't bother. What a setup. No wonder you can't keep good editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vergangene Zeiten (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am sure you know your subject in very great detail and that you could have contributed a lot to Wikipedia should you have chosen to. However, looking at your contributions since you joined us five days ago you have come across in places rather like a Highways Engineer who knows all about the design, construction and management of our roadways, but has never driven a car before. Since getting in the driving seat you have rather managed to blindly steer the wrong way up a number of roads here, ignoring the shouts of those around you who know better how to drive and who understand the rules of those particular roads. Driving safely is a cooperative act, just as editing Wikipedia is. Sometimes a driver who prefers to travel on the wrong side of the road, no matter how skilled, is better off staying at home until they're able to recognise the importance of driving with courtesy and common sense. Regards from the UK Nick Moyes (talk) 20:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Publishing a page
Hello,

Using sandbox I've just published a page titled Zeshan Qureshi, I was wondering how long it takes for this to be viewable to the general public?

Thanks G — Preceding unsigned comment added by GarethUGTM (talk • contribs) 12:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You have not yet submitted your sandbox draft for review.  When you wish to do so, add   to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You were perhaps confusion by a recent WMF change to the software, changing "Save" to "Publish" in the wording of the button at the foot of the edit window; this doesn't publish the draft to article space, but merely saves it to the sandbox page where you created it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I've corrected a template but the article that uses that template still shows the mistake. Why?
The article Muhammad uses the template Template:Muhammad timeline in Medina. That template has a spurious "duick" inserted (either a mistake or a piece of vandalism). I corrected the template but "duick" still shows in the template where it is used in the article. How come? Basemetal 13:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, purging article pages helps update template changes. I've purged the page and your change is visible. Thanks,  Lourdes  13:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Cara Buono Age
Alright, so on the actress Cara Buono's page her age is listed as 2016(?) but when I go to edit it, it isn't there. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachel Linton (talk • contribs) 20:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed it. The first thing to do is sort out her actual birthday. Templates in the INFOBOX can't deal with multiple options.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  20:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Her Facebook profile says she was born on 1st March 1974, and ladies never lie about their age. nagualdesign 20:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * My wife actually heard my eyes rollNaraht (talk) 22:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Do I merge Talk pages in a full paste merger?
Sorry to bother you with an elementary question, but I just wanted to check: I don't merge the source Talk page into the destination Talk page when I perform a full paste merger, right? The instructions at WP:Merging say just put the "merged-to" template on the source Talk page. --ChetvornoTALK 20:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Chetvorno, the instructions at WP:Merging are right. You only have to place the template; you don't need to actually merge the talk pages. I guess we all have our elementary questions (including me – while we can thank people using the history link on any page, I would love to be able to thank people using the log feed; in the sense, if someone were to delete an article, I should be able to thank them using the exact log entry... but haven't found a way to do that till now :D) Have fun in the new year. Warmly,  Lourdes  05:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I appreciate the work you guys do to answer the questions of us dunces. I know a lot of them are about information we could have found ourselves with a few clicks. Happy 2018 --ChetvornoTALK 19:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Resolving Squad Error on Sligo Rovers article
Could anyone help me by resolving Benny Igiehon's display in the squad section, or if someone can verify that I am not the only one not receiving the details I had entered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CiGin (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The squad list was missing the closing . Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Is a copyrighted logo permissible for usage in a userbox provided consent has been given by the copyright holder?
I'm interested in using a copyrighted logo including texts and deigns to identify myself as a user of that search engine. There are similar userboxes such as for Google and Yahoo but none for this one. If I were to obtain consent from the copyright holder to use it for a userbox and forward proof of consent to Wikimedia, is it permissible for use in the userbox?

The image already exists on Wikipedia under fair use but I need some clarification on the permit to use copyrighted logos for userboxes. Is permission itself sufficient enough or is something else required? Where may I forward the consent email? To what address? Much appreciation for any assistance.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 22:10, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . No, I'm afraid that consent to use the image on Wikipedia is not enough: one of the goals of Wikipedia is to make all its material completely free for reuse for any purpose (requiring only that it be attributed). For reasons I don't know for sure, but I guess would be that this limits the available images too far, non-free images have been allowed in certain strictly limited circumstances. But there is no middle ground: either an image in Wikipedia may be reused freely, or it may not. So in order for a copyright image to be used in Wikipedia, the copyright owner must explicitly license it under a suitable licence which will allow anybody to reuse if for any purpose (including modifying it) as long as they attribute it properly. Owners of logos usually are not willing to do this, for understandable reasons. If the owner is willing to, they need either to upload it to Commons themselves, licensing it as they do so; or they need to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * thank you for your fast response. I'm glad I inquired here first. So to sum it up, using logos, even with consent from the copyright holder is not acceptable for userboxes according to Wikimedia's terms of use, even if that specific purpose has been consented. I stated correctly?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See Userboxes. nagualdesign 03:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ...You know, some official company logos, such as Google_2015_logo.svg, don't meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection and are therefore public domain. You might want to search for it on Commons. If it's there, you can use it. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 04:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , that's correct. Google's main logo consists entirely of text images, so therefor it's out of copyright protection. In fact the userbox template users may display expressing Google as their primary search engine exists as I've seen it. But I no longer use Google as my primary search engine and have mostly switched to using Ecosia. But the problem is Ecosia's logo is copyright and exists on Wikipedia under fair use. Being a user of that search engine, I am seeking to create a userbox expressing such, but need to be more familiar with the conditions of using copyright image, which according to the previous above messages are not to be used for userboxes, even if the copyright holder grants permission for such purpose.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I uploaded the central portion of the Ecosia logo to Commons (jpg/|png), which doesn't meet the threshold of originality. I also took the liberty of creating a userbox for you in your user space: User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia. I'll leave it to you to decide on the finished wording and colours. I've also added it to Userboxes/Internet/Websites (between eBay and Ello) so that other people can use it. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 19:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)