Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 February 22

= February 22 =

What to do about an argument on My talk page
A user and an IP are having a extension of a fight from Jman's talk page on my talk page, and I'm not sure what to do about it. What happened is: I am RCPing, and end up comign across Jman's talk page, where he/she/it and the IP are having a shouting/flipping match. I leave a short note reminding them of civility, and leave a not on the IP's talk page, because they had crossed WP:CIVIL. So the IP comes to my talk page, and leaves the comment which heads that section. Some time later, Jman finds it and replies, and then a week or so later the IP comes and that is how it has been. I don't really mind them having the conversation here, it easier to monitor it incase policies are starting to be broken, rather than having to track it down on Wikipedia to monitor the fight. However, I don't have enough experience with this kind of Issue, and don't know if there is something that I should be doing about it, rather than sitting back and watching. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:L3X1#Regarding_message_about_civility Thanks. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 00:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe the short message I left should suffice. Feel free to revert anything else that they add, and since they're both disrupting you and violating NPA, you might do best to report them to WP:ANI if they keep it up.  Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject question
What power does a Wiki{roject have? I edit mixed martial arts biographies and I see a few pages that are in violation of the guidelines of [WP:MMA]] as it pertains to notability. Do these projects rules enforceable or are they merely suggestions? If they are enforceable, how would one go about getting a biography deleted if it doesn't meet the WikiProject's notability standards? TBMNY (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Take a close look at the box which is at the top of WP:MMANOT - it specifies that it is an essay with the opinions of several editors, not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline. It won't be definitive in a deletion discussion, but it should be useful as a guide.  The way to propose an MMA article for deletion is the same as any other: normally the "Articles for Deletion" process (which is easier if you use WP:Twinkle), or for very clear-cut cases where there is no claim of significance you could use Speedy Deletion. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Officially, WikiProjects have no power at all, and in particular WikiProject-edicted notability guidelines do not supersede WP:GNG. This being said, GNG is fairly vague, so the more specific project essays are usually what goes at AfD; not so much because the WikiProject owns the subject, but because there is a benefit to standardization and the WikiProject is trusted to draw the line in the grey area. Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Changing Trumps image
I'd like wikipedia to change the image shown for Donald Trump when you search for "Trump" on google chrome: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump&oq=trump&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39j69i60l2j0j69i60.1486j0j4&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

The pic shown is this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56c640526e97c625048b822a-480/donald-trump.jpg

The pic is very unflattering and I would like it to be replaced with this pic from the wikipedia profile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#/media/File%3ADonald_Trump_official_portrait.jpg

I am a yearly contributor to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.189.253.33 (talk) 07:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Google uses an unflattering image from another site, rather than the one at the top of Wikipedia's Donald Trump article. I doubt anyone here knows why Google does this, and we certainly don't have any control over it. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear contributor, The information on the top right of a google search is called the Knowledge Graph and is a part of google. Wikipedia cannot change this. However you can. On the bottom right of the knowledge graph is a feedback button. When you click "feedback" there is a little pencil on the image of Trump. Click this pencil to give feedback. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 09:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * See also Template:HD/GKG for a stock reply to similar posts. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Creating a page for actress Samantha Gracie
Can someone write the page for me on Samantha Gracie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreegracie (talk • contribs) 10:38, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Someone (anyone) can, but only if Samantha Gracie meets the requirements for an encyclopedia article here. I appreciate that you have not tried tried it yourself, as apparently by your username, you have a conflict of interest, which can cause difficulties in writing an article with a neutral point of view. The basic qualification for an article to be included in Wikipedia is defined as "notability". Articles also must be supported by references to published reliable sources. Right now, Samantha might not clearly meet the "notability" requirements--it may be too soon for an article about her. If her career continues to flower, Wikipedia editors could create an article about her in the foreseeable future. DonFB (talk) 11:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Andreegracie You can request an article to be written here: Request Article. Experienced editors will do the research to see if there is enough to create an article based on reliable sources for notability. Best of luck! Maineartists (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

tube challenge wikipedia
I have tried to be understanding but wikipedia have been quoting my name against a scource which is illegal for you to do so the scource has been changed so I do not Wikipedia to publish my name I have rights.

scource number 1 Guinness world records clearly state my name and nationality witheld I have Been patient with your organisation despite constant illegal infractions of your own sources and publishing. legal action will be taken unless my name is deleted from your page no apology for ur 8 illegal infractions on your own editors has ever been made and I think your organisation is illegal,unnaccountable as therefore u have no rights to publish my name in any article I will also bring u to attention of Berlin u bahn record I have copywrited that record to prevent Wikipedia from ever publishing it if I see it published a legal writ will be issued to you.

do the right thing and e-mail me personally [redacted] with an apology or some reasoning as to why u believe u have the rights to publish my name without my consent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.36.29 (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: The IP's only other edits are to Talk:Tube Challenge. I have no further comment. Just thought I might help by pointing out what OP is likely talking about. † dismas †|(talk) 13:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The IP has, of course, been blocked for legal threats. Palkanetoijala and various socks have been blocked previously. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Uploading logo to our company description page
I wish to upload non-free logo of our company (we recently changed it) but can't do it because my account isn't confirmed. I do not wish to make changes on pages other than our company's. I also recently made changes on our company Wikipedia page and changes were soon after deleted. How do I prevent this in the future.

Webnlb (talk) 13:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I am not surprized your edits were reverted, and I have just reverted them again - your additions were entirely unsourced, whilst promotional puffery, such as "uniquely positioned and strategically focused" has no place in any of our articles. (Convenience link NLB Group) If you can provide a link to a copy of your current logo, this can be uploaded for you - please make the request at Files for upload - Arjayay (talk) 13:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Webnlb please read and follow our guidance on conflict of interest and Paid editing - You should not be editing our page about your company, but you should suggesting changes, citing reliable sources, on the article's talk page.


 * Dear Webnlb First of all: welcome to Wikipedia! and thank you for disclosing your connecting with your company. However, Wikipedia discourages those affiliated with article pages and their subjects with editing content; as this is seen as a "Conflict of Interest". You can read about this, here: WP:CONFLICT. Also, since you work for the company itself, it may also fall under "Paid Editing", here: WP:PAY. You can "disclose" your affiliation WP:DISCLOSE with this company, but your edits will be limited and closely monitored to adhere with the proper requirements of WP that compile with reliable sources and WP:NPOV. Your best bet is to simply make a request for what you feel is appropriate to the article on its "Talk Page" and let an editor that is not associated with the company add it; or consensus be drawn for it inclusion. These are all friendly suggestions going forward. Good luck! Don't be discouraged by some editors who like to "bite the newbies" with "US" vs "you". Nobody owns WP. All are welcome here; and I'm sure your edits were in "good faith". If you need more help, try the Teahouse here: Maineartists (talk) 13:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

England_rock_music_group_navigational_boxes
A bot recently changed Category:English rock music group navigational boxes to Category:England_rock_music_group_navigational_boxes - I can't find the discussion of the change - can you help? Doesn't seem a proper change and I'd like to understand why it would be. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 15:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * User instigated the renames. From the entry in the history on WP:CFDS, it was part of a batch of 86 categories, it looks like the reason was to bring the country names in line with the normal ones used in the country parent categories. i.e. Use the country name not the nationality. I've pinged BrownHairedGirl so hopefully they'll reply here and correct me if I'm wrong - X201 (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) It was listed for two days at Categories for discussion/Speedy. See "Category:Music group navigational boxes by nationality to Category:Music group navigational boxes by country – C2C per parent Category:Music by country templates and the broader non-adjectival-countryname convention of Category:Country templates and its sub-cats." at [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy&oldid=766808522#Current_nominations]. See [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:England_rock_music_group_navigational_boxes&oldid=766445296] for what the category displayed at the time. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Would be curious how you found that. I tried.  The archives search didn't help.  --John (User:Jwy/talk) 16:21, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Categories for discussion/Speedy doesn't appear to be archived. We both examined the page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Bummer - so binary search through the history? okay.  I'll continue discussion at User Talk:BrownHairedGirl.  Thank you!  --John (User:Jwy/talk) 16:34, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, @X201 is correct, and @PrimeHunter has explained it well. I have replied to at User_talk:BrownHairedGirl. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Journal image
Hey everybody, I found this image and I want to use it in an article on the society that issued the journal. Is that OK? Is that fair use? I know I can use it in an article on the journal, but that's not what I'm doing. Thanks! Michaelgav09 (talk) 16:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably not, I'm afraid, . The image is licensed under "Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike", which is not acceptable to Wikipedia, because of the "NonCommercial" bit. So you could only use it under the WP:non-free content criteria; you would need to show it meets all the conditions, including condition 8:"Contextual significance: Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding", which seems a bit dubious to me in an article about the society. Others may disagree with me, however. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you're right. (To explain to the original poster, even though we are non-commercial, we require our material to be readily re-usable by for-profit entities.) I'm sure the image would make the article nicer-looking, but unfortunately that's not a valid fair use critera. For fair use, it has to tell us something useful about the entity, for example you would have to be able to include a caption like "This cover of New Jersey Folklife shows an example of the Society's obsession with rowboats [ref]", or something (even that might be marginal). Herostratus (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Inaccurate Article Title
The Libraries Without Borders page incorrectly redirects to the Bibliothécaires Sans Frontières page, which, when directly translated means "Librarians Without Borders." Libraries Without Borders, Librarians Without Borders and Bibliothèques Sans Frontières are three separate entities. Moreover, the Bibliothécaires Sans Frontières page proceeds to refer to itself as Bibliothèques Sans Frontières, which contradicts its very own article title. I am interested in creating a separate Wikipedia page for Libraries Without Borders since it is in no way affiliated with Bibliothécaires (Librarians) Sans Frontières. Moreoever, it is a separate legal entity from Bibliothèques Sans Frontières. Please let me know how we can clarify this glaring error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katktrujillo (talk • contribs) 21:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * you can go to Libraries Without Borders and star writing about that organization there (provided that the page will comply with our core content policies, such as notability and verifiability). I've fixed the problem at Bibliothécaires Sans Frontières. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:34, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

@Finnusertop thank you for the advice. The article title is still incorrect since the translation for Bibliothécaires is Librarians. Librarians without Borders is a separate organization than both Bibliothécaires Sans Frontières and Libraries Without Borders.
 * , the problem is that at present we haven't an article about Libraries Without Borders; so unless somebody writes one, either the title has to redirect somewhere, or it should be deleted and not have an entry in Wikipedia at all. was suggesting that you write the article; but if that is not practical, and you think the error is so gross that "Libraries Without Borders" shouldn't be here, please make the argument for deleting the redirection at WP:Miscellany for Deletion. --ColinFine (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Um, don't you mean Redirects for discussion? P p p er y 00:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Nominated for deletion. I think the redirect should be deleted - an article can be recreated over the title, but in any case the redirect should not remain, and keeping it in the article history is a slight but nonzero negative. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Revert anything with a given set of words in the edit?
Re: Sarah Paulson

Some lost soul seems to think that Paulson was in a relationship with Lily Rabe and to that end, they keep adding her name to the Paulson article. Is there any bot that will watch the article and revert edits that involve the words "Lily Rabe"? Or must the article be protected to prevent this? † dismas †|(talk) 23:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Edit filter? P p p er y 01:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well it looks like just two edits. Its an IP.  This kind of thing is pretty common. Just revert her. Quite possibly she's already gone away. If she continues, you can report her to WP:ANI and ask for that IP to be blocked for awhile. Herostratus (talk) 01:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I suggest WP:AGF. Give a better edit summary in your reverts (ie: "Source needed" or somesuch), and add a note to User_talk:107.77.216.128  RudolfRed (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Two edits? This goes back to at least last year. † dismas †|(talk) 01:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ohhhh, OK. And different IPs... well that's different. OK, right, well as you said Requests for page protection is the usual remedy. (Not familiar with Edit filter so don't know if that's appropriate here; you could try.) Herostratus (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I was told on the Edit Filter page that they don't protect just one article. It has to be a widespread type thing. I fully expected RPP to say that the vandalism wasn't often enough to warrant protection. But has protected the page anyway. So, I guess I got what I was looking for... Thanks, everyone!  † dismas †|(talk) 02:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)