Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 January 17

= January 17 =

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
U guys probably already thought of this, but when it comes time, will u put this article title in replace of the current zelda game? do u understand what i mean? 69.18.234.112 (talk) 01:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean actually. Each Zelda game has its own article. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is the one you are talking about. --Majora (talk) 01:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you mean to ask if we are going to link to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild in the "Latest release" section of the infobox of The Legend of Zelda article? Normally, you should suggest that at Talk:The Legend of Zelda, but that's something someone will do when it comes out. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

yes69.18.234.112 (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course. Why would you doubt that people would list the most recent release of a series as such, once it's actually released? Sergecross73   msg me  03:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

If your saying that your not going to put it there until March 3, that's fine, just don't forget about it. 69.18.234.112 (talk) 03:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC) Oh, now I understand. No, I don't doubt it, I guess I just wanted it to be there early or something. 69.18.234.112 (talk) 03:22, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

this will be quick
can someone write "yes" for me in the article above that talks about zelda. I would do it myself, but my wii u won't let me. 69.18.234.112 (talk) 01:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ...Why didn't you just write "yes" instead of posting this message? Ian.thomson (talk) 01:46, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

because i am writing on my wii u and last time it wouldn't let me, but i guess now it will. 69.18.234.112 (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Is it a violation of WP:NOR or WP:CRYSTAL to include flags in a knockout diagram when the nationality but not the identity of the player is known?
For knockout diagrams of sports competitions, it seems there's a certain class of wikipedian who thinks it's appropriate to include flags for future matches before the result is known, if the two players are from the same country. In other words the nationality but not the identity of the player is known. This is most common in articles related to tennis tournaments but it can happen for other sports and competitions too, e.g. Chess World Cup 2015. I removed the flags from the 2017 Australian Open – Women's Singles article because I thought it looked odd, geeky and unprofessional (would you expect to see it in a newspaper?), but got reverted. I think the policies WP:OR and WP:CRYSTAL are on my side here. MaxBrowne (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * It's a wee bit silly, but I don't see how it violates either policy. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed it doesn't violate anything, but it looks dumb; I would not encourage the action of pre-adding flags. Matt Deres (talk) 03:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I would argue that it is a violation because it is making an extrapolation before the event has taken place. How do we know that both players won't withdraw or be disqualified? MaxBrowne (talk) 03:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it's just plain bad writing. A blank entry means "not yet decided"; half an entry is just confusing.  Any idiot can see the nationalities of the two competitors; copying that to the winner just confuses the reader without conveying anything useful.  I agree it looks bad and encourage you to blank them.  71.41.210.146 (talk) 03:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirect help
I'm trying to redirect brouhaha to Wiktionary; the article was nothing more than a WP:DICDEF and wouldn't reasonably become more than that. However, it's not functioning as a hard redirect; the user would have to click through. Is there a way to make it a hard redirect? I've never tried doing this to another project before. Matt Deres (talk) 03:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * From WP:REDIRECT - Note that redirects to other Wikimedia projects, other websites, or special pages do not work. These should be avoided or replaced with a template. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * D'oh. I read that but somehow interpreted it backwards. I ended up using . Matt Deres (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Summit Award
Reference help requested.

I got a bot warning and I don't understand.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The error message says "Check |url= value (help)", with the word "help" in blue to indicate that it is a wikilink, in this case to Help:CS1 errors. That link gives an explanation which includes the following: "The URL field is checked to ensure that it contains only Latin characters and does not contain spaces". --David Biddulph (talk) 03:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What would that mean in layman's terms? I don't understand any better than before I asked. I don't know what I'm looking for or supposed to fix--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:14, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It means that you have to remove the spaces (and other extraneous text) from the url field. It looks as if you've tagged the title onto the end of the url field, as well as having it in the title field. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:18, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

What's the difference between Template:Nonspecific and Template:Full citation needed?
They seem very similar. I'd like to either:
 * 1) Find a distinction and describe it in both sets of template documentation, or
 * 2) Head over to WP:TfD and propose a merger.

I'm not feeling quite confident enough to take the second step immediately, so I'm asking here. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Problem faced due to sharing of the same IP address
Hello, I was blocked for a day on wikipedia. The reason was stated that I share the same IP address with another account.I would want to find a long-lasting solution to this issue. I happen to be in a building with a shared network and a lot of people use the common internet that is provided. Evidently many of them would be using Wiki from the same IP and I would be facing the same problem in regular intervals. I would request someone to help me and give me a permanent solution to this blockage. I have uploaded this previously too but have not heard a response from anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bella.black678 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * , if you are logged in and editing under your user name, an IP block should not occur. Were you signed in for the problematic edit? There is no record that your registered account (Bella.black678) was warned or blocked. DonFB (talk) 05:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * There is a possibility that even if you were logged in, you were caught in an "auto block." If it happens again, use the instructions at: Template:Autoblock. Also, see WP:IP block exemption, particularly the "How to request" sub-section. (The slightly inquisitorial unblock request page can be accessed directly at: WP:UTRS.) DonFB (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

copyright concerns
If I submit photos, are they copyright protected? Will or can a photo credit be seen?

CapitolCelebrations — Preceding unsigned comment added by CapitolCelebrations (talk • contribs) 04:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * , you will own the copyright, but Wikipedia requires each contributor to license their work for free use. Read this information page for more information about how this works and about receiving credit or attribution. One other thing: your user name implies you might have a conflict of interest. If so, read the WP:COI page about those policies. DonFB (talk) 05:57, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Southend High School for Girls page
Recently user Fionabrierly123 changed our school page and put in ridiculous things. it has been altered back but is it possible to block this user from editing the page again? The user is using my name! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fionajillian (talk • contribs) 09:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * It seems to be the only edit by the other user. There is not enough disruption, as yet, to justify any sort of 'block'. However, a warning has been left on their talk page. Eagleash (talk) 09:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * OK they've been blocked anyway, whilst I was looking up the policy. Fair enough! Eagleash (talk) 09:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've blocked the account, as we do not tolerate any sort of impersonation (WP:IMPERSONATE is one description of this policy). Vandalism does occasionally happen, unfortunately - I'll try and keep an eye on the article but if it persists you can drop me a note on my talk page or request protection at WP:RFPP. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

An article from the Japanese language Wikipedia
Greetings all. What's the correct procedure for requesting the creation of an English-language version of an article that exists on the Japanese-language Wikipedia (specifically this one about Richard Vicars Boyle)? I'd like to add a link to this person to an article I'm currently taking through a Featured Article Candidate review. Regards Exemplo347 (talk) 10:18, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * , the page WP:Translation seems to explain the procedure. DonFB (talk) 11:05, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, I was stumped! Exemplo347 (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Campaignbox Collapse
I have created the page 2017 İzmir Courthouse Attack. There is a campaignbox i am using there but it always comes up as "extended" when people view the page. I want it collapsed as default (show/hide). I couldn't find any solution. ThanksMingus79 (talk) 14:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added a collapsible option to Campaignbox PKK–Turkey conflict. Write  to make it collapsed as default. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Cheers.Mingus79 (talk) 14:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The mystery of the invisible DYK
I have been trying to edit Talk:Stella Chess so it will display the DYK nom for that page, but it's not working. Help in fixing the template so it is visible would be greatly appreciated. Everymorning (talk) 14:40, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The DYK has been accepted, and as such it is noincluded to hide it from the main Template talk:Did You Know page. That means that it won't transclude on the talkpage either. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Did you know nominations/Stella Chess got noinclude tags when it was archived.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Stella_Chess&diff=760402179&oldid=759394006] I think this is a DYK standard so the transclusion doesn't have to be removed from Template talk:Did you know right away. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, DYK standard is that once accepted, the DYK doesn't appear on the talkpage anymore. Not sure why they do this, but it is the normal behaviour. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Huggle automated messages
I have recently installed Huggle and for some reason it posts a welcome message on the page of every user, whose edits I encounter. I had a discussion about this here. Is there any way to solve this problem? Friy Man talk 15:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

OMISSION FROM LIST OF (FORMER) 'BEDFORDSHIRE CRICKETERS'
Hi there, Some advice please. Referring to the list of ‘Bedfordshire Cricketers’, I note that my name is missing, despite having played for them for 18 years! Thanks, Andy Curtis (As evidence of authenticity my details already appear below under ‘former Bedford Modernians’ as Andrew Curtis (cricketer))
 * Who do I contact to correct this omission, and to provide accurate details of my career etc.
 * Or do I just ‘edit’? If so, please advise procedure.

Career Andrew David Curtis was born on 12 January 1943 in Bedford and was educated at Elstow Primary School, Bedford Modern School, the University of Sheffield and St Edmund Hall, Oxford.[1][2] He played football and cricket for Oxford University without gaining a Blue in either. His single first-class cricket appearance was against Northamptonshire in the 1966 season where he was bowled by Peter Willey for 15 in his only innings.[3] He played as a batsman for Bedfordshire in the Minor Counties Championship from 1964-1981, during which time the county won two Minor County championships and twice finished as runners up.[4] As a teacher he subsequently became Head of Economics and Cricket Master, firstly at Bedford Modern School, during which time they won the national schools' Lord's Taverners Trophy by defeating Rugby School at Edgbaston, and thereafter at Millfield School, where he coached and nurtured many pupils who went on to play first class county and Test match cricket.[5] Following his retirement, he became Chairman of Somerset Cricket Board in 2005, and a trustee of several local cricket charities helping young cricketers within the county. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.105.249 (talk) 17:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, please supply a link to the list or page you are referring to. There is a list of former players at Bedfordshire County Cricket Club, but that only refers to players who have also had a substantial first class career. Eagleash (talk) 18:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Is this about Category:Bedfordshire cricketers? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Could very well be. According to the criteria at the category Andrew Curtis should be included but wasn't until a few minutes ago when I added the cat to the article about him. Eagleash (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Paul Clark (Christian musician)
Hello .... my name is Paul Clark. My wikipedia page, Paul Clark / Christian Musician, is a mumbled jumbled page of important and stray facts. My question is this.... Can I input the true information, verify that it is me editing it, and take all of the information that is on display off of the page?

Thanks, Paul Clark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.160.127 (talk) 19:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, It is not your Wiki page but the wiki page about you. Please read COI. We strongly advise against the subject editing the article about themselves because it is hard for them to be objective and not turn it into a self promotional advitorial. However, there is nothing to stop you. You must however declare your COI. I can do that for you with   . Please add your suggestions to the articles talk page. Other editors (and it wont be instant) can then update the article. Any suggestions of yours will only be considered if you can provide a reliable source. Please read :Identifying reliable sources.  The very fact that you can remember  having  been there and done that  - counts for nothing here -unless you can point to a third party report. Please don't try to edit the article directly. Unless you understand all our policy you may end up getting banned if you make multiple policy editing errors. Should you wish to continue, (and some find its like Crossing the Rubicon) create your own Wikipedia Account first: Tutorial/Registration--Aspro (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ... but if some of the stray statements on the page are unreferenced and false, then please mention them here or on the talk page and they will be removed.   D b f i r s   07:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Quick, give-a-man-a-fish answer: as Aspro explained above, you have no particular control over a page about you. However, if you can demonstrate that some info is wrong or unduly exposed, go to to create a new section on the article's talk page, type in   at the top, and then describe the changes you want in the form "I would like X to be changed to Y, because (...) which is proved by (such and such source)". This is the standard process to request edits when you have a conflict of interest, and probably the fastest.  Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:48, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Userbox question
I want to keep the same code on my :de: and :en: user page, mainly info for editing that I need regularly, but also very few user boxes. Now, I wanted to have at least one fun user box, that is an edited beer barrel with "AGF" added. But it is only hosted on the German wikipedia (not on commons), and I cannot figure it out how that can be tweaked so that it works for my :en: userpage as well using the very same wiki code. I add the code (commented out) here:

Could be that I simply cannot use the {{Babel -code in :en:... I looked into some :en: users userboxes and not a single "Babel" there, many years ago I used to play around way more with user boxes than I do now and was just starting to use :en: also, not only :de: and I think I recall that quite some issues started when I tried to have the same start page like I try now (again)... after I removed all fancy looking stuff and only kept sober info... So, probably there is a hack that would do the trick, or maybe there is not... Cheers, --Rava77 (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The image in fact is already on Commons - see below. As for the userbox, you need to look at {{tl|Userbox}}, and play with the parameters there until you find some you like, I think.  You get this on default settings, anyway:

{{userbox }} {{clear}}
 * id      = [[Image:Ein Fass voll mit reinem, unverdünntem AGF.jpg|45px]]
 * info    = Gutes AGF in den Tee?
 * Hope this helps. Bencherlite{{sup|Talk}} 22:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmmm thanks a lot, it works for :en:, but for some reason when I put it in the same place as the other version on :de: it completely messes up the layout; all stuff is shifted to one-third (page-width) of the right of the page and onto each other, (the userboxes on top hiding my index), like sheets of paper, while the rest 2/3 left side of the page is left empty. Now I recall that I had such issues years ago when I attempted the same. Seems that was the reason that German wikipedia adopted its own userbox template aka Babel, instead of using the :en: one. Seems I either have to remove any image userboxes, or have to say goodbye for the same code for :de: and :en: on my userpage... Or could it be that the messing up the layout is some standard settings that I can change? But usually all user boxes are on the right side, its the same with :en: or :de:, so that can't be the reason, I presume... Cheers. --Rava77 (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC)