Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 January 7

= January 7 =

How to request moving 1 existing article back to 4 other articles that make it up
My questions refers to the article Hollywood Suite. The article merged 4 articles into one - they were previously known as Hollywood Suite 70s Movies, Hollywood Suite 80s Movies, Hollywood Suite 90s Movies, and Hollywood Suite 00s Movies. All 4 articles still exist as redirected pages to the main Hollywood Suite article. However, I would like to request that each previous page be restored, although the current Hollywood suite article can be retained. How would I go about requesting such a move? For example - which method do I use and do I have to set up 4 seperate requests or one request for all four articles. musimax. (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The technical answer is that you can simply edit each of the four pages, remove the redirect code and input the text of your article. The human relations answer is that you would do well to first discuss this with the editor whose action you would be reversing: in this case ViperSnake151 who carried out the merger just a year ago Noyster (talk),  01:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The odds are extremely high that you cannot find enough content solely discussing each of these sub-channels to justify a separate article. You would be much better off improving the one combined article. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That is why I merged them in the first place. They are technically separate services (in contrast to The Movie Network, where all of its now brandless multiplex channels, besides the independently notable HBO Canada), but I do not feel that they are independently notable from each other, plus they are typically bundled together in a similar fashion to other premium channels and their multiplexes. ViperSnake151   Talk  02:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. I would prefer t go through the proper channel to resolve it as I anticipate blowback if I were to simply un-redirect the articles and revert them back separately. Since thsi appears to be a simple and straightforward resolve, I will bring the issue up with the user mentioned above. musimax. (talk) 02:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Indian Boxer's Page removed from Draft
Greetings Support team,

I had written about an Indian Women Boxer (Kavita Chahal) who's been in the top 10 Word rankings, The draft was submitted for review for which I received a comment as well. Somehow I can't access the information I had put and it is not live either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scritesh (talk • contribs) 04:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The draft Draft:Kavita Chahal was submitted from account SportsCrunch, not from Scritesh. The draft is still in the queue awaiting review, but it has already received comments and another editor has made some improvements. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted talk page
The talk page in question is Talk:Council of Federated Organizations. It was deleted by User:Skier Dude on 01:03, 30 July 2012. The stated explanation is "(G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)". Skier Dude's last contribution on Wikipedia was on September 17, 2012.

The article page Council of Federated Organizations was created on 02:56, 6 September 2006‎. Not sure why this occurred. Mitchumch (talk) 07:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It was created by Ranpayne. The only content was: "I expanded the story of COFO into a full- fledged article. There was nothing wrong with the content of the previous stub. I just felt that COFO deserved a more detailed history. I am currently conducting further research into the Mississippi civil rights movement. Most of the content of this article stems from a much earlier paper that I wrote." Ranpayne later blanked it and no others had edited it so it was deleted per the quoted policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What quoted policy? Mitchumch (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have recreated the talk with appropriate WikiProject banners. Timothy Joseph Wood  11:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was seeking to restore whatever content existed before it was deleted. Including the above stated quote before it was blanked by Ranpayne.  Mitchumch (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The quoted policy is "(G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)". There had been no other content than what I quoted and Ranpayne's signature. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. That seems like a strange policy.  Why would this policy be permissible?  Shouldn't blanking a talk page lead to reverting that edit?  I've encountered innumerable talk pages with nothing but WikiProject templates.  Mitchumch (talk) 01:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It only applies when it's blanked by the sole author. Users often create pages by mistake or regret a page creation before anyone else has edited the page. We want users to be able to easily get such pages deleted without having to discuss it. WP:G7 actually mentions an exception for "any type of talk page" but talk pages blanked by the sole author are often deleted in practice. Only administrators can delete pages so others have to blank it or request deletion directly. Many users don't know how to officially request deletion but just blank the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Question about image I want to upload and include in article
I am creating an article on a Toronto-based grass-roots political activist organization that no longer exists, called C4LD. I scanned a flyer advertising an event. This flyer was published by C4LD. I do not see any copyright mark on it, though there is something near the bottom right that looks like maybe a printer's mark.

This flyer would have been pasted to thousands of light poles in the city.

I don't understand the copyright rules at Wikipedia, though I tried reading through some articles on the subject.

Could you please advise on whether the image I scanned is fair use on Wikipedia, before I upload it.

Specific Generalist (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I might add that this flyer itself contains a picture, which is a work by noted political / historical cartoonist C W Jefferys. Does this complicate the question?

This is my first time creating a Wikipedia article, so please pardon my lack of experience.

I am in the midst of using the File Upload Wizard and don't know how to answer the third question ("Provide source and copyright information").

Specific Generalist (talk) 13:59, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * , the copyright tag that likely applies is: Non-free poster. This is a "fair use" tag. The uploaded image will also require a Non-free use rationale 2. The Woodstock article with its poster image File:Woodstock.jpg appears to be a good analogue for the situation you're describing. DonFB (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I did all that. I also reduced the image size and converted it from tiff to jpeg. I still can't upload it as of yet, because the 'fair use' section demands that the article be existing, and right now it is a Draft article, awaiting review. The Upload button is greyed out, so I have to wait before I can actually add this image to the article. Specific Generalist (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * It should be possible to upload an image, even if an article for it does not (yet) exist. Are you trying to upload to Commons? That Wikimedia site does not accept any fair use material. DonFB (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Images uploaded as fair-use will be deleted as orphaned if not used in an article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

From what I've seen, the file has to be uploaded using the "Upload file" link on the left of most pages -- if you want to submit it under 'fair use'. In that case, it warns you with this: "Non-free files can only be used in mainspace article pages, not on a user page, talk page, template, etc. . . . Please upload this file only if it is going to be used in an actual article.". My use of Draft:xxx as the article name was not accepted.

There is a way while editing a draft article to upload an image ("embedded file"), but only if you declare this image to be under your own copyright. Specific Generalist (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I still am not clear on one point. Is the main concern whether the image was created by me, or whether the thing I took the image from is copyrighted by someone else? When I try to upload the file, it asks whether it is my image or I found the file somewhere else. Well,there is absolutely no question that I created the file. I used a scanner on a piece of paper. The only concern is with the thing I scanned: was it copyrighted in some way? So I am wondering, am I okay uploading the file if I created the file, or are the copyright issues on the piece of paper I scanned paramount? I'm just trying to understand the guidance here and know what is the right thing to do. Specific Generalist (talk) 08:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * As a non-free image it can be uploaded for use in an article, but not for a draft. So wait until the draft is published as an article. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes it clear. Specific Generalist (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Ukrainian Christmas
There are Orthodox, Catholic and Baptist Ukrainians I know for sure. Catholic and Orthodox Ukrainians are a little like the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland,two separate religions and yet they are all Irish. So my question is, is it only the orthodox that celebrate Christmas January 7th or do all or most of the Ukrainians celebrate Christmas at that time? If all then quit saying that it is only orthodox that celebrate Christmas Jan 7th. I am a catholic Ukrainian and I have been celebrating Christmas Jan. 7th for the last 70 years Luke Charkowsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:370:6A:77D0:AC15:3646:1580:C700 (talk) 13:59, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear Luke Charkowsky, Wikipedia has several million pages and I do not know what page you are talking about. Please explain where you see it mentioned that only orthodox churches celebrate on 7 January. That way I can help. As can be seen on the website of the catholic church : The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church celebrates christmas on 7 January. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Luke, Christmas, or the Feast of the Nativity, is celebrated on January 7th (NS) by all Christians who still use the Old or Julian Calendar. Most of the world's Orthodox Christians, all of the Oriental Orthodox churches and some of the Eastern Catholic Churches churches still use the old calendar. I'm not sure where you are seeing people saying that only the Orthodox do this. On the main page it states that today is Christmas on the Julian Calendar, which is correct. Христос народився! -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, question retracted
Never mind, I retract my question

Problem in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Citizen&action=history
Star Citizen is a crowdfunded game with it's CF campaign still ongoing. That page shows the updated amount of millions they've got so far, and I usually update it to the latest amount as soon as they reach it (something that I've been doing for a while now, if you check the history of that page). Someone (Eik Corell) is constantly unediting the updated quantity over the argument that "there's no need to do that anymore". Could you please warn or ban him from editing that page? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KurtMaverick (talk • contribs) 15:12, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , You need to start an actual conversation with Corell on the talk page (edit summary bickering doesn't count) and see if you can come to some sort of agreement. If not, then you go looking for other opinions. Additionally, a talk page discussion will draw in other users who are already watching the page Primefac (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You can find the talk page at Talk:Star Citizen. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The short answer is probably no. There seems no real need to update the figure for each million reached e.g. recent edits increasing 140m to 141m. This is unnecessary detail and probably only major milestones should be mentioned. You should also be cautious in respect of edit warring as this can lead to loss of privileges. You should endeavour to discuss the matter with the other editor at the article talk-page. Please sign your posts on talk-pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

So, one blames ME for reverting edits when the other user is doing exactly the same, and the other says that only "relevant" milestones should be added, without even specifying the meaning of "relevant" (every 5m, every 10m or what?), like if editing a web page every month or so was such a huge hassle to the website.

I was sure you were going to help me because of how absurd the situation is, but in retrospect I should have totally expected this. So you know what? Go fuck yourselves, useless turds. Do what you fucking want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renamed user nnnnnnnnnn (talk • contribs) 23:47, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The other editor has also been cautioned in respect of edit warring and notified of this discussion. If another editor reverts your edits, you reach an agreement via talk-pages per WP:BRD. Please remain civil. Eagleash (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Is this a COPYVIO?
Looking through the new articles, I came across List of reptiles and amphibians in Panay. The entire contents is a list that has been copied from a book (which is the only source for that article). It smells like COPYVIO to me, but can somebody please confirm that? --Gronk Oz (talk) 16:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , simple lists of information may or may not be copyrightable (Copyright in lists). To play it safe, I'd say they are. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:24, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer the word "non-creative" over "simple". A list of the 10 best features of some new product might be considered a simple list but it is definitely a creative list and would be a violation.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Search bar suggestion
I am not sure where to make a suggestion to improve the search bar. I would like to be able to use the following search term: Cinderalla -Cinderella. The logic that I am requesting would be to enable to search for all pages that don't include a specific template. Where can I make this suggestion?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In general WP:VPT, as that's both where you're most likely to find someone who'll know if it's currently possible, and the only one of Wikipedia's internal pages that's regularly read by the developers. If you know that whatever you're requesting will require a change to the software, theoretically you need to go to Wikimedia Phabricator and file a request there, but I've yet to meet anyone who even understands Phabricator, let alone has ever managed to get a change made. &#8209; Iridescent 18:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It already exists: . hastemplate is currently missing from Help:Searching but included in the mw:Help:CirrusSearch link in the See also section. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have been wanting this since about 6 months after I started wikipedia, so, for over a decade!Naraht (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , Thank you. This is quite useful. Is there a limit on how many hastetemplate references one can use in a single search?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:01, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * All search queries have a maximum length of 300 characters. I don't know whether there are other limitations. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , Thx.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

email removal
How do I delete my email address from ALL mail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.160.116 (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you mean all e-mails that you ever have sent to somebody, the answer is that you can not. Ruslik_ Zero 19:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Template Variables/Paramaters
I am trying to make a template that creates a header that users can put at the top of their userpages, and that header would link to things such as the main page, the talk page, and the sandbox. How do I set it up so that (on visual edit) it asks you for your username so it can make the links.

User:Skipper1931/Header

User:Skipper1931/Header/Documentation

Thanks much, --Skipper1931 (talk) 20:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * No parameter is needed. The magic word  will give the username when it's used in userspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Skipper1931 (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Draft Article for Jesse Ridgway prevented from being moved to Article
Hi there,

I have been editing a draft on the entertainer Jesse Ridgway (most known on YouTube for running a pseudo-reality series) and I am unable to publish it as the name is prevented from being used. The link to the draft is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jesse_Ridgway.

Can someone else move it to the Article namespace or provide clarification as to why it cannot be created. Thanks PROzDAZA (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Jesse Ridgway is prevented from creation by non-administrators due to previous creation of bad articles there. User:David Biddulph has restored a box with a "Resubmit" button at top of Draft:Jesse Ridgway. A reviewer will handle the situation if the page is accepted. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Jesse Ridgway has been deleted 4 times. Your draft Draft:Jesse Ridgway has not been resubmitted for review since the previous submission was declined.  An editor had deleted the previous feedback comment which gave you the "Resubmit" button, but I have reinstated it.  There is, however, no point in resubmitting it in its current state as it has no references.  Please read the feedback message and the wikilinks therein.  --David Biddulph (talk) 21:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Note in particular that the references need to be to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Adding and image
I would like to upload, and add to an article, a photo from the NYTimes. Can this be done? If so, how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:46CE:2600:3C27:9430:AAC6:8C01 (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly not. You would need to arrange for them to license it freely, which is unlikely. (I assume we are not talking a photo prior to 1923).-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * An exception would be if it qualifies for fair use. Tell us more about it, and we can give you a better answer.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)