Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 July 28

= July 28 =

Three Futures
Can you move the three futures album from the talk page to the draft page please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:543A:2856:4B96:9DB4 (talk) 04:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * For reference: The article was on Talk:Three Futures (album), I move it to Three Futures (album), After a couple of tidy up edits I moved it to Three Futures because there was no need for the disambiguation. - X201 (talk) 09:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much X201 for helping me with the three futures article. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:A806:C2AB:F90A:6552 (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

About the page or article
I want to about the page or article creation on Wiki. like who can write ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skgacharya (talk • contribs) 05:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In general, anyone can edit an article on wikipedia. Articles which have undergone lots of disruption might be protected to limit who can edit – most commonly "semi-protection", meaning anyone who has registered a username and has 10 edits and 4 days of experience can edit.  Any logged in user can create an article, though "IP editors" (i.e. those who are not logged into an account) cannot.  There has been some discussion in the past about limiting article creation to a smaller set of users, and a trial on this looks like it might happen once again: see WP:ACTRIAL for the gory details. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Reverted Page
I'm unsure who is in the wrong here, but I recently edited a tour page with the set list. I saw the concert in full and several fans of the artist had posted the full/same set list (on social media) as what I posted on here. However, a user deleted the added information because I did not have a source. I have looked at and seen several other tour pages that do not have a source for the set list. I re-added the set list and said the source is YouTube, as the full concert is on there. The user again reverted the set list and threatened to report me. Who is in the wrong? The tour page being discussed is Mariah Carey and Lionel Richie: All the Hits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaish15 (talk • contribs) 08:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * For reference: (in future please give a libnk to an article you discuss here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 10:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC))
 * Basically, is correct here, . You need a source for the exact date that the tour started (that should be easy to find, I am sure three was news coverage, and even the performer's web site would do). You also need a source for the set list: saying "just watch YouTube" is not good enough. A link to an actual YouTube video would be good enough, provided it is an official video posted by the performers or with their stated permission (say by their label). Wikipedia does not link to copyright violations, so a video posted by a fan without permission cannot be used as a source. It is up to you to provide a source when re-inserting such content, as stated in our policy on the responsibility for providing citations, which says:
 * Worse, by repeatedly inserting the same content after being reverted you were engaging in a Edit War. This is grounds for blocking an editor. I will assume that you did not understand this,, but please do not do it again. I am going to leave a formal warning on your talk page, to document that you have been informed of this.
 * It should be fairly easy to source this content (this is not an obscure, uncovered performer), so please provide a source if you want to re-add it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 10:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I will add that IndianBio should not have engaged in repeated reverts either, but that editor does have the excuse that s/he was removing, not adding, unsourced content. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 11:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Issues with Objectivity and NPOV
Hello, I wrote an article about the history of a company called "The Foxboro Company" yesterday but was removed for "unambiguous promotion". Is there any possible way I could have someone such as an editor review a revised version of the entry (attached below) and discuss what, if any, issues remain? Thank you.

The Foxboro Company The Foxboro Company was a broad-line supplier of instrumentation founded in Foxboro, Massachusetts in 1908. It was acquired by Siebe plc. of Windsor, UK, in 1990, and later Invensys plc. in 1999, when Siebe merged with BTR to form the Foxboro brand under Invensys Systems, Inc. Invensys was then taken over by the French multinational Schneider Electric in January 2014, where Schneider phased out the Invensys name in favor of its own. The company supplies devices for monitoring and automating manufacturing processes to the chemical, oil and gas, paper, food, pharmaceutical, mining, electric, water, and scientific industries. By the years 1908-1929: Beginnings and Pre-Depression In 1908, Foxboro began as the Industrial Instrument Company when E.H. and B.B. Bristol came to Foxboro, Massachusetts in search of a location for their newly formed company. For a grand total of $500,000 (about $13,500,000 today) the brothers purchased a former steam whistle and gong factory on Neponset Avenue. On December 7, 1908, the Industrial Instrument Company put the finishing touches on its first batch of rings for 4-inch gauges. Factory men working on those first batches put in 59 hours a week, earning an average 13 cents an hour. Over the next ten years the company would go on to build a full gamut of gauges ranging from two pounds to 20,000 pounds. Foxboro engineers also helped produce the first multiple-pen recorder, the first instrument capable of recording the differential between upstream and downstream pressure, and the first recorder-controller integrated into one case. On January 1, 1914, The Industrial Instrument Company officially changed its name to The Foxboro Company, and in 1915 Foxboro introduced its new name and brand to an international gathering at the World’s Fair in San Francisco. There, fellow American historical inventors such as Ford, Firestone and Edison stopped by Foxboro’s booth to look at the display of gauges. International exposure increased as the company adapted temperature indicators for thousands of airplanes fighting on the Western front during WWI, with more Foxboro instruments being utilized during WWI than all other manufacturers combined. The roaring ‘20s were a time of experimentation at Foxboro. Foxboro gauges matured into controllers. Problems with blobbing ink in recorders prompted Foxboro to invest in the first electric drive put into an instrument. Foxboro also introduced the Roaring Ahead notion that oversized control valves should actually be smaller than the line size—a theory that proved, despite industry skepticism, to be true. Further tinkering and refinement ultimately led to the development of the first Model 10 Stabilog Controller. 1930-1939: Great Depression era During the stock market crash, Foxboro’s automatic controllers were being used in complex oil refineries across the country. Bringing their Pyrometer Department back to Neponset Avenue, Foxboro began production of pyrometers used in high temperate processors. During this time, Foxboro was expanding its operations, opening plants in London and Montreal. Back in the States, the company expanded to 14 offices nationwide. Foxboro also broke into the burgeoning pulp and paper industry, and introduced an electronic moisture control instrument called the Verigraph. 1940-1960: War efforts and Industry innovation As World War II hit the states, Foxboro did its part to support war efforts. They doubled their employee count to 1150—of which 320 were women, while the main plant cranked up to 24-hour production. Foxboro’s war contracts included the manufacturing of torpedo mechanisms for the British Admiralty and recorders that could ride a torpedo, charting its depth and stability. Furthermore, Foxboro made delicate spinner release mechanisms for military bases and built a scanning device used to train radar operators responsible for spotting planes in combat. Also, Foxboro’s all-electronic Dynalog industrial instrument was called into active duty by the Merchant Marines—who put it to use testing stresses in military equipment, including Liberty Ships that kept breaking in two. More so, Foxboro instruments were being used in the atom-smashing cyclotron at Berkley, CA, and were utilized for the Manhattan Project. In 1943, Foxboro was awarded the Army-Navy E flag for excellence in recognition of war efforts. The end of WWII in 1945 marked the end of one era, and the beginning of a new one, highlighted by the invention of the Model 40. During the 1950’s, Foxboro introduced its new CONSOTROL series, which enhanced visibility with a full-scale graphic panel and was shipped across the industrial world. As the space race was on, Foxboro focused on miniaturization, transitioning from large case recorders/controllers and local control to centralized control rooms which withstood pressure measuring up to 6000 psi. In 1958, Foxboro officially celebrated the 50th anniversary of the company’s founding. 1960-1980: The Moon landing and the Environment As the 60's began, Foxboro appeared for the first time on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol FOX. As the Digital Age dawned, Foxboro invented the M97000 process computer, PCP88 fully redundant DEC machine, and its Direct Digital Control system. Foxboro also played a role in Apollo11’s mission to put a man on the moon. An established NASA vendor, they supplied instruments and control systems used in Apollo’s ground support application. Before lift-off, Foxboro control loops made sure the launch vehicle’s temperature remained at a steady 70 degrees, helping to keep the mission on track. Foxboro began ramping up solutions aimed at facilitating compliance with new environmental regulations. In 1971, they introduced the SPEC 200 electronic control system, which aimed to simplify the configuration of electronic analog control systems. Foxboro then created the VIDEOSPEC shared CRT-based video display with variable function keys and INTERSPEC serial communications—a distributed digital system. The first successful system was deployed at an Exxon refinery. As the Arab oil embargo caused gasoline prices to soar, Foxboro provided itself as a source for process and control instrumentation— including the extraction, processing and transporting of petroleum and natural gas. 1980-2000: Global impact Foxboro began the 1980’s by contributing ambient air instrumentation to the British Royal Navy’s submarine fleet. Well above sea-level, Foxboro also aided in the successful launch of the first Space Shuttle Columbia—which utilized the 42 MIRAN-80 Ambient Air Monitor System. The decade also saw the formation of many fruitful relationships with groups such as Hewlett-Packard, the Saudi Arabian government, and Mobil Oil. In 1987, Foxboro released the Intelligent Automation Series or I/A Series— an open industrial system. By the close of the 1980s, Foxboro’s globalization spanned around the world, from oil fields in the Persian Gulf, to platforms in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, to storage plants in Rotterdam, to a brewery in Perth, and refineries in Texas. Early in the 90’s, the I/A Series started becoming more adopted. In 1992, Foxboro followed-up with the Patented Dynamic Performance Measures, which measured temperature, flow, level, production, cost and yield. Three years later, Foxboro introduced I/A Series on Windows NT, a control system that utilized Microsoft Windows technology for workstation applications. In 1996, Foxboro and SAP jointly certified the interface to SAP’s R/3 ERP system. 2000-2008: 100 years of continued innovation As the industrial world entered the 21st century, Foxboro, in 2004 introduced the redundant OPC client embedded in a process control system—in essence, “industrializing” Microsoft-based OPC technology to allow for open data exchange between different vendors’ products and systems. These contributions played a role in 2006, when Foxboro’s parent company Invensys, unveiled InFusion, an Enterprise Control System. In 2008, The Foxboro Company celebrated its 100th anniversary as a company. Current Advancements Foxboro is currently at work in the business of Field Devices. Pressure transmitters Foxboro’s pressure transmitters cover pressure applications, including differential, gauge, and absolute pressure, as well as remote seal and flanged level. Flowmeter technologies Foxboro’s flowmeters are designed to describe the collection of various technologies used to measure flow, including the selection of the best method or methods for a given flow measurement.

Process analytical Foxboro has also developed analyzers, transmitters, sensors, and solutions which measure pH, conductivity, and dissolved oxygen. Temperature transmitters Foxboro’s temperature transmitters measure over a wide range of temperatures and transmit them into analog and digital outputs. Level measurement Foxboro’s level measurement products measure buoyancy, level, interface, or density of liquids among other things. Accutech Accutech instruments are used in applications like monitoring and controlling tank level measurement, environmental monitoring, and pressure measurement.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by P0sthum0us (talk • contribs) 11:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The problem with this is that it is not actually readable. Have you heard of something called paragraphs? -Roxy the dog. bark 15:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It is actually formatted with paragraphs. It's just that the WP software doesn't recognize new line characters as a new paragraph. You need a blank line to get a new paragraph. If you view the source, it's broken up. No comment on the quality of the article though. † dismas †|(talk) 18:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . You have a WP:Conflict of interest in writing this article, and you need to declare your WP:Paid status even if Foxboro are not actually giving you any significant amount of money.  Your proposed article contains not a single WP:Reliable source.  You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and to look at some good articles about other companies.  Your text reads more like an advert for your company than an encyclopaedia article.    D b f i r s   17:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

References for not charting?
Dear editors:

I keep coming across instances where many references to music chart websites have been added to an article, even though the music indicated did not appear on those charts. Two examples are Futuristic Polar Bears and Shermanology. Is this appropriate, or is it a kind of reference spamming? In the examples given, the references are to various countries' "Charts Portal". The name of the portal operator appears three times in each reference. In the Futuristic Polar Bears article, I clicked on the first reference that actually showed a chart position, and although the text said "Belgium Charts Portal", the link was to an Ultratop chart page. Is this the same company? I am confused as to the purpose of the "Charts Portal" references, but they seem to be all over the place, so maybe I'm missing something.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:25, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Great question! Please add  next to the end of the ref tag. Have a nice day. Daylen (talk) 18:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , I am still confused. Which reference should be marked as "failed verification"?  As far as I can see, there are no false or unverified claims, just perhaps unnecessary references and badly described ones.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:39, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Race and intelligence
I just added a paper by Wicherts, Borsboom & Dolan to race and intelligence using the sfn template, but I can't get it to display so that it takes you right to the paper when you click on the footnote. The paper in question is Wicherts, Borsboom & Dolan 2010b; any help fixing the formatting on this would be greatly appreciated. Everymorning (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there is no entry for Wicherts, Borsboom, and Dolan 2010b in the bibliography. If you are using as a reference, the full reference you want the link to point to needs to contain the parameter date=2010b.  Currently, the date parameter is set to "January 2010" instead. (See Katz 1998a and Katz 1998b in the references to Women in Classical Athens for a real-life example...) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have tried this fix and it still isn't working. Everymorning (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Nvm, fixed it. Everymorning (talk) 22:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Edits were removed on ALICAFORSEN
could you let me know why my edits on ALICAFORSEN were removed? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byacyshyn (talk • contribs) 19:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The edit summary for the revert is visible in the article history. Note that the article isn't ALICAFORSEN, but Alicaforsen;  case is significant.  --David Biddulph (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

How to request an admin to join the talk page of my article?
I need an admin on the talk page of my article, can you please guide me step by step? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.48.105.61 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * See Template:Admin_help -- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Making a wikipedia go live
I'm trying to launch a page for Joshua Pro Hartman. He's a cyclist of the USA Team. I thought I submitted the contents for approval. I haven't received a notification or anything. Feeling completely overwhelmed. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProHartman (talk • contribs) 21:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Relates to Draft:Joshua Pro Hartman
 * Hello Your draft currently displays as a new unreviewed article. To submit it for review, delete the unreviewed line at the top of the source and replace with  . However, the page is not yet ready for mainspace. It has no properly formatted references but does contain some external links within the content which should be removed and/or added as inline citations where applicable. Please see WP:REFB for a guide to adding references. Further, do you have a connection to the subject? Please see WP:COI for advice on managing any conflict of interest. The article as it stands does not really adhere to a neutral point of view and will need some work to make it suitable for mainspace. Please also see 'your first article'. I will also leave some links at your talk page. Good luck, and return here if you need further help. Eagleash (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Your use of language "launch a page for JPH" suggests to me that you have misunderstood what Wikipedia is for. A more appropriate phrase is "write an article about JPH". Wikipedia does not have "pages for" subjects - if we have an article about a subject, it should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about the subject. What the subject says or wants to say is of very little relevance.
 * Also, from your user name, it appears that this may be an autobiography, which is strongly discouraged, or at the very list that you have a conflict of interest, in which case you need to approach this article very carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

greetings wkipidia team
i just create my account i'm interested in creating a wikipedia about my self an my accomplishments how can i make that happen please explain how i can create a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juanpatronn (talk • contribs) 19:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Wikipedia strongly discourages the creation of autobiographies. Even if you are Notable, (which most people are not -- I am not) it is very hard to remain neutral when writing about oneself or one's own work. Please don't try it, it leads to frustration. Also in writing any biographical article there need to be high quality independent published reliable sources that discuss the subject in some depth to demonstrate notability. See our guideline for the notability of biographical articles. If you do decide to create an article, I advise that you use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for Creation project. Please read Your First Article and Referencing for Beginners, as well as the pages linked above, first. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that if created, it would not be a "wikipedia" or a page" or a "profile", it would be an encyclopedia article about you. You would not have control over it, and negative things could be included, provided that they were supported by reliable sources. You would have no veto, and indeed less rights to edit it than any random stranger. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)