Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 July 31

= July 31 =

how to view a talk page on a mobile device
How can I view an article's talk page on a mobile device? (Currently via the Android Chrome browser, but I'd use the app if it would help.) It's clear how to edit that page, or view via the non-mobile web, but not how to view the page on mobile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.170.191.96 (talk) 06:04, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * At the end of the page should be a "Talk" and a "Categories" button. Regards  So Why  08:24, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The "Talk" button is only present for logged in users. It's difficult for others (there have been complaints). They can manually edit the url to insert  or   after  . If they have a "Desktop" link at the bottom then they can click that, click the "Talk" tab at top, and click "Mobile view" at the bottom to get back to the mobile version. The "Categories" button in mobile is only present for logged in users who have enabled "Beta" under "Settings" at the top left menu button. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

XFD !voting helper?
Hi. I seem to remember that back in the day there existed a script that made it easier to add comments to XFDs using a prompt without having to edit the page directly. However, I cannot find it anymore. Does anyone know which script I mean? Regards  So Why  08:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Jnothman/afd helper Probably deprecated.  Lourdes  11:08, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . And it still works! Regards  So Why  11:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good.  Lourdes  11:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Dirk Coetsee / Coetsenburg / Stellenbosch Mountain
Dear Sir / Madam

Recently, after spending a considerable amount of time searching for valid references, I submitted the following draft articles in the hope that they would be accepted by Wikipedia:

1.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dirk_Coetsee 2.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Coetsenburg 3.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellenbosch_Mountain

I am the direct descendant of Dirk Coetsee (1655-1725) on which the first article focuses and my family currently owns and occupies the Coetsenburg Estate which is situated at the foot of the Stellenbosch Mountain on which the second article focuses.

I made a copying/pasting mistake with reference 10 in the first article and an editor named Shadowowl, known as a deletionist, thus rejected it. I subsequently corrected the mistake.

Also -  and this has become a major national issue in South Africa, dominating news headlines, and it has been reported on internationally too - the British PR firm Bell Pottinger has recently been editing Wikipedia articles related to South Africa because they have been paid by politically-connected businessmen accused of state capture and significant corruption to change the public perception of said businessmen and politicians. They have adopted an anti-white, anti-colonial stance. Dirk Coetsee was a Dutch settler and his family - my family - are part of the scapegoated group "white monopoly capital" which Bell Pottinger has been attacking.

I am asking if could review and possibly accept my articles. I have striven to be as neutral as is humanly possible. Thank you.

Best DG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philemon Matilda (talk • contribs) 09:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi if you have a connection to the things you have written about, then you have a conflict of interest (COI), and you should exercise caution while editing these subject - there is a page about the help available for editors with COIs. In brief, on Wikipedia, "Do not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships." On another point, please do not make arguments "ad hominem" to other editors (such as you did about  above), regardless of your intentions. With regards to your drafts, both are awaiting review, and as you can see from the review template on both pages, this may take 2-3 weeks, as there are (at the moment) 1148 submissions awaiting review. I personally don't see any problems with the reviewers, but if you wish someone else to review the drafts, you should ask this question at the Articles for Creation help desk (click on the link to this other help desk in the third bullet point in the beige/orange box at either the top or bottom of the drafts). I would advise you to address the issues in the red/pink box at the top of Draft:Dirk Coetsee, about referencing. You may wish to visit the reference desk for help on finding these references. You may also wish to read Your First Article (if you haven't done so already). If you need any more help, just ask here or leave a message on my talk page.  Seagull123  Φ  16:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please do NOT use personal attacks! I removed it for now, but it can lead to a ban if you do it again! I am not affilated in ANY way to the colonisation of South Africa! -- &raquo; Shadowowl   Marcos Rodriguez  |  t  |  SPI  |  AIV  |  Sandbox  |  Helpdesk  &raquo;    16:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, contrary to your expectations, you would actually get good advice and assistance if you were to post at WT:WikiProject South Africa. One of your drafts has in fact already been reviewed and accepted by a South African, me! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:08, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thank you, I am so glad that you referred me to that page! I am still learning and getting used to the editing process. Thank you for reviewing and accepting the article in question which I've just realized you did. I have created two articles titled "Dirk Coetsee" and "Coetsenburg". I still do not know how to add "1655-1725" behind Dirk's name in the section title. Dirk's surname was initially Couché which morphed into Coetsee and later Coetzee; he signed it personally Coetsee in the Geslagsregister, though, so it is evidently the name that he eventually chose to be known by. There is a book by an academic at the University of the Western Cape detailing the origin of Dirk Coetsee and the Coetsenburg Estate which is very well-researched and referenced: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41056580?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents If you have some time during what I'm sure is a busy schedule, could you please take a look at my articles "Dirk Coetsee" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dirk_Coetsee) and "Coetsenburg" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Coetsenburg) and accept if they are suitable? The "Dirk Coetsee" article was rejected by a deletionist because I mistakenly copied and pasted the wrong reference (I really shouldn't edit late at night). Thank you once again. Philemon Matilda (talk) 08:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please stop throwing "deletionist" around. It's not WP:CIVIL - X201 (talk) 09:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

broken reference links
How do I go about editing a broken reference link I find?

i.e. Subic Bay Freeport Zone ref 6

no longer exists — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgerdj (talk • contribs) 12:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * First, run a search at the linked site to see if the url has changed. (In this case, no dice—the article appears to be gone.) Then enter the dead url at the Wayback Machine to see if an archived version is available. (No dice again here—Wayback has several snapshots of that url, but all show a page with a 404 error.) If you want to be extra diligent, you could Google around to see if the page was mirrored at some other site—but be careful not to link to page containing a copyright violation. Then it's up to you. If you have the time and the inclination, look for another reliable source that supports the passage. Otherwise, place the template immediately after the tag. And you're done. Unless, of course, you have strong reason to think the content is wrong and the reference was bogus in the first place, in which case you could remove the offending passage along with the ref. If you do that, you might copy them onto the talk page and leave a note there, for posterity.  Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   12:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time
Under the map Time in Europe light green	UTC+03:00 (in Russia Moscow Time) Crimea is the part of Ukraine, occupied by Russia. This fact is recognised by EU, USA, Canada and other countries and world organizations. You should change the colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.110.129.120 (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The color doesn't indicate any political affiliation, just that Crimea currently uses UTC+03:00 as its time zone. Note that Belarus and Turkey are also light green and are not part of Russia. uhhlive (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * And to clarify further, "(in Russia Moscow Time)" means that in Russia this time zone is called Moscow time. It doesn't mean that everybody in the time zone are in Russia. In Turkey it's called Turkey Time. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Company page
How do I make a page for my company without it deleting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMoumou (talk • contribs) 22:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Please wait before creating a page about a company or organization. Since you  have a close connection to the company or organization, you have a conflict of interest. Please read the FAQ first. If you still think your article is appropriate, you can submit it to Articles for creation. Just click this link and follow the instructions. Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. You could:


 * Get someone else to do it—If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you can request that someone write an article on the subject.
 * Start by editing other articles—If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then you will be ready to write your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is the Wikipedia backlog, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.
 * Go ahead and try—If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read our policy on conflicts of interest, then read our guide to writing your first article, which will repeat some of the good advice above. Then please use the Article wizard, which will help you through the steps. I urge you to accept the option to save your first draft in your user subpage, which will reduce the chance your work will be deleted before it is ready.

 Seagull123  Φ  22:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)