Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 July 9

= July 9 =

Trevor Engelson
This page was deleted recently but it is back! - Trevor Engelson Thanks101.182.141.22 (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Deletion log here, AfD result here. WP:G4 may apply but cannot compare with deleted page. Eagleash (talk) 09:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In my opinion it's substantially identical to the deleted version. I could have deleted it myself, but I prefer not to do unilateral speedies when there may be differing opinions. I've therefore tagged it for G4. Deor (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, and i have declined the speedy and added a source. This can now be discussed on Talk:Trevor Engelson or at a new AfD, if anyone thinks that appropriate. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

asking question
Hello Wikipedia, I want to publish Gulivers travel In hindi version because many people wants read this book in hindi on this site. But i am asking that can i get money of this workAbhaypps1 (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia - unfortunately what you're describing is not what Wikipedia is for. If you have a look at the article we have on Gulliver's Travels you may be able to see that we publish encyclopedic entries, and not copies of books (which would be a copyright issue). As for being paid to edit Wikipedia, the majority of our editors are volunteers and are unpaid -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 09:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

What is 'references responsive'
I am accustomed to using in the References section to generate a list of sources but lately I have been seeing 'references responsive' used instead. What does this accomplish? Leschnei (talk) 12:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It allows the reader's browser to display the references in two or more columns, if the window is wide enough. There's some documentation at mw:Contributors/Projects/Columns for references. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thanks, that makes sense. And thanks for the reference - I did look before asking but couldn't find one. Leschnei (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * There is work going on to integrate responsive into reflist itself. See Template talk:Reflist. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I hope they do. I'd hate to have to make all of the changes by hand! Leschnei (talk) 19:31, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Dianne Evers (Tennis player)
My Partner Dianne Evers has her name in the wikipedia page incorrectly spelt. It is missing an "n" in Dianne, can this be changed please or how can I do this myself?Alfromgib (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)Alan Fortunato
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. The title of a page is changed by 'moving' it to a new location. This is to preserve the edit history and attribution. It is done via the 'more' tab at the top of a page. However, this facility will not be available to you until your account is at least four days old and you have made 10 or more valid edits. At Evers' page, although the title has one 'N' the content seems to use two. Wiki relies heavily on what the sources or references say and the one reference is a dead link as is one of the 'External links'; the other EL shows her name as one 'N'. Can you provide an independent source for the correct spelling?
 * I'm afraid I've had to remove your addition of title wins as the section is for 'Grand Slam' titles only. Also, as you have a connection to the subject you probably should not be editing the page yourself. Please see WP:COI for more information. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Before we move the article to Dianne Evers, we need some references to confirm the spelling. Currently, the only working reference has the spelling "Diane".  Could you find some more independent articles for us to use as references?     D b f i r s   15:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The article, Diane Evers, would need to be moved in order to change the title. You can't do this because your account is too new. The article isn't well sourced, but both working links do land on pages with the 'Diane' spelling. Googling finds lots of pages, some with one spelling and some with the other. What would help at this point are multiple impeccably reliable sources, preferably at least one of them a web page of a major, internationally-recognized tennis organization providing official statistics. Daily newspapers (generally not tabloids) are other good sources. Could you provide such links? The other option would be file a request with WP:OTRS, but that really shouldn't be necessary. Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   15:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , it is a *mess* out in potential references. For example, the page for the Canadian Broadcasting company which would certainly ordinarily taken as a strong reference shows two 'n's (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/australian-open-champions-in-open-era-1.976180) but the actual page for the Australian Open about her (https://2017.ausopen.com/en_AU/event_guide/history/players/7620.html) has it with one n. Any chance of getting the Australian Open to change their page? (And given this, sadly enough, WP:OTRS is looking better. :Naraht (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


 * This seems unnecessarily complicated - It is agreed that some sources list her with 1 "n" and some with 2. the three sources on the page all return (for me anyway) either no search results, or a 404.  And yet we also have a person - who brought it to our attention - stating that he knows the person in question and there should be two "n"s in her name.
 * Whilst I know that COI, primary source and OR count for much, surely, given the lack of preference - or evidence - either way it would make sense to move the article to Dianne Evers over where it currently sits? Otherwise it seems almost deliberately bureaucratic to keep it where it is.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I've copied this discussion over to the Dianne Evers talk page. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

How to add missing information relate a stub in an article.
I have got information on internet relate to a stub in an article and I would like to suggest to develop this stub with the information I have got. Because I am new in wikipedia and I have no clue how to proceed I am asking for guidance or advice. Neither I know if I will brake any rule if I add any info even in my sandbox or if what kind of information is not allowed to write down. It is a matter of ignorance and I would like to know if I can cooperate and learn in the way at the same time. I consider also is important to edit the article because has mentioned the stub but it is incomplete and has not info when clicking on it.

I would like to discuss with some one about it and consider to edit or not or to propose the edition of the article or the stub.

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermosco (talk • contribs) 19:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Is the name of the stub a big secret as well as the exact address in the internet where you found the information? Ruslik_ Zero 20:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Generally you may add information to an article, including a stub, if it is supported by a reliable source. The source should usually be cited. See Referencing for Beginners for detailed instructions on how to do that, . If you want more specific advice, please provide a link to the article you want to expand, and preferably to the source you plan to use. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC) DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

COI Flag
My name is Jonathan Oustaev and I am an intern for David Meltzer (sports executive). I noticed on his Wikipedia page that the URL for his personal website was incorrect. It was meltzermission.com instead of davemeltzer.com. Unaware of Wikipedias COI regulations I went ahead and did it myself. I am extremely sorry for not asking the Wikipedia community and experienced editors to do it for me. The incorrect URL was hurting business unfortunately and it was urgent but of course, if I knew that the account would be flagged I would've patiently waited for an experienced editor to take care of it. I please ask that the flag be removed and I promise to never make unwarranted edits on my own. I will always ask the Wikipedia community from now on to update the page. Thank you so much in advance!

Kind regards, Jonathan Oustaev — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.67.195.96 (talk) 22:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If you refer to the box at top of David Meltzer (sports executive) then it has been there since October 2016 as it says. The page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Meltzer_(sports_executive)&action=history] shows the only edit after the URL was changed is a spelling correction. See Paid-contribution disclosure and note it says: "Interns, even if not paid directly, are considered employees for this purpose. If they are directed or expected to edit Wikipedia as part of an internship, they must disclose, just as other paid contributors must." PrimeHunter (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit conflicts
Isn't the avoidance of edit conflicts one benefit of having sections, i.e. you can't conflict with an edit made in a different section? I had to fix something I added to a WP:AN discussion — I editconflicted with someone else, so I assumed that the conflict was in the same section, and thus I put the text at the end of that section, but it was actually a totally different section. How is this possible? Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you sure the other editor was editing a different section? They may have edited the entire article and thus still had a conflict with you. † dismas †|(talk) 00:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In my experience, adding a new section can conflict with an edit to the bottom section that existed previously. And as Dismas says, a whole-page edit can conflict with a section edit. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have heard that the Visual Editor can only edit whole articles; so the edit clash may have been with someone using the Visual Editor for an edit another section. Maproom (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)