Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 June 22

= June 22 =

Unclear situation
What position should I take regarding |this and |this? About this section: My attention was recently recalled |here, regarding at my language skills. Then I have questioned that recall| and I have had only one response |here, being that there isnt still any concesus and that I have not been banned in any manner the situation is still confusing. Can I edit here? Am I at risk of being banned? thats all. --Neurorebel (talk) 01:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears there have been responses here and at User_talk:Neurorebel.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

About new versions of files under PD-US-1978-89
Hi everyone,

I've been working on some portrait's extracted from files already uploaded under PD-US-1978-89. The question is: Can I upload a new and modified version, for example of under the same license? It would be just a edited version from the same file but desaturated and cleaned. Thanks and regards! --C records (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I would recommend asking your question at the Commons help desk, as they will be better equipped to assist you. Have a great day! Daylen (talk) 04:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Changing http to https in external urls for The New York Times
Evidently a decision was made, and is continuously implemented by a bot, to change external link targets at The New York Times in this way. But when I click on the changed links I get a blank page. When I go to the url in the http form, rather than https, I get the target. How can I fix this? Thank you for your help. Vzeebjtf (talk) 02:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi What web browser are you using (you can check this here if you are unsure)? I would recommend the latest version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, or Opera. Daylen (talk) 04:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm using macOS 10.12.5 with Safari 10.1.1 (12603.2.4) and Chrome Version 59.0.3071.109 (Official Build) (64-bit). Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowery_Amphitheatre > (First link in section "Notes") > http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9903E7D71F30EE34BC4B53DFB366838A669FDE gives me a blank. If I delete the "s", I get the page of The New York Times. Vzeebjtf (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Confirmed: I see an image when using the "http" link you've posted here, and a blank page if I try https. I'm using Windows 10 + Firefox 54.0, the latest version. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Confirmed blank page for https link with Chrome 58 on Windows 7, FireFox 52 on Windows 7. Howerver IE11 (11.0.4.2) on Windows 7 does display the document from the https link. -- Q Chris (talk) 08:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Confirmed blank page for https link on Chrome 58 on Windows 10, good for http. Pinging the owner of the bot doing this Time to move this to WP:VPT???
 * (pings don't work if you don't sign). P p p er y 20:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of the problem. Should we revert the changes for the http://query.nytimes.com subdomain? Or wait for them to fix it. After all, they announced HTTPS would be effective everywhere on their site eventually. --bender235 (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Do we know whether they are aware of the problem? And how long it might take them to fix it? Personally, I would rather revert the changes for the subdomain unless we have reason to believe they will take care of it soon. Vzeebjtf (talk) 06:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

File mover permissions
Hi there! I was wondering if file movers have permission to delete images from the English Wikipedia? Thanks! Daylen (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope, file movers do not have permission to delete files. Take a look at Special:ListGroupRights for a full list of user groups and permissions that they include. eurodyne (talk) 05:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Use of an oral interview as information in a Wikipedia Article
Hi, have written an article on an artist (deceased) and am trying to have it accepted into Wikipedia. In a couple instances, I have included information from an oral interview with an expert on the artist (this expert is the curator/archivist of the artist's work). I have cited the information. My question is whether it is okay to use an oral interview as a source in a Wikipedia article? thanks, Joan


 * Sources in Wikipedia should be published. An oral interview would be acceptable if it were available on the website of some reputable organization, such as a public radio station, but if it were not saved in some permanent form and made available to the public, then you can't use it. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think is quite incorrect in suggesting that a source needs to have been saved in some permanent form. For instance, a radio interview is a valid source for e.g. the views of the person interviewed even if the radio station did not keep a recording for podcasts.
 * They are however correct that it needs to be published. In your case, if the interview was used as working notes and not made available, you should attribute the information to the correct source, which is not the interview itself but wherever the expert said they interviewed the artist (e.g. "Artist said [quote from the interview]" is incorrect, use "According to Expert, Artist said [quote]" instead with a ref to where Expert said so). Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:47, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Article to be removed
Hello,

could you please give us some feedback regarding the articles we have uploaded? What edits can we apply so they won't be deleted?

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Χρήστος_Μεγάλου


 * That's on Greek-language Wikipedia, and has already been deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christos_Megalou


 * That has three references. The first provides evidence that its subject is notable, but the second is based on an interview with the subject and the third is published by his employer, so those two aren't independent. One independent source isn't enough to establish notability. If you can find some more reliable independent published sources that discuss the subject in some depth, you can save the article from deletion. Maproom (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piraeusbank (talk • contribs) 16:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

2017 NBA Summer League
Can you move the 2017 NBA Summer League From the talk page to the draft page please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:91DF:2768:75DE:8D47 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Unsure what you mean. you have been working on 2018 National Invitation Tournament and that was on a Talk page, so I moved that to draft space. it is now at Draft:2018 National Invitation Tournament. Jytdog (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

The difference between a WP article and an essay
I have poked around looking for something about this for a while, and never found it.

Where in all the policies/guidelines/essays, is a good discussion of the difference between a Wikipedia article and an essay, like a student might do for school in which they make an argument? I deal all the time with folks who want to add essay-like content and make arguments in Wikipedia. Template:Essay-like is the closest thing we have, and it points to Writing_better_articles, which is not really about this. It is ~kind~ of covered by WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:What SYNTH is not, but not really, either.... Jytdog (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Does WP:NOTESSAY help? WP:YFA describes everything you need to do to create an article.   RudolfRed (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTESSAY is pretty close, thanks for that - and that is where it should be, as this is a NOT thing.  The high school/college essay is not really described there.  I think I will open a discussion about it there. Thanks!!  :)  Jytdog (talk) 22:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Attempting to create template for new infobox in userspace, but user page is being pulled in
I am attempting to draft a new infobox, to be called Infobox information security vulnerability. I created a draft for it at User:Zazpot/Infobox information security vulnerability. At this early stage in the drafting process, that page contains only the following contents (based upon Template:Infobox computer virus):

However, when I view User:Zazpot/Infobox information security vulnerability, it shows, among other things, the contents of my user page. This is baffling, and I would like to resolve this issue before I proceed any further with refining the draft new infobox. Please can anyone explain why my user page is being pulled in to the draft infobox page, and what can be done about it. Also, is this expected behaviour, or is it a MediaWiki bug?

Please WP:PING me in your reply, as I am not watching this page. Thanks for your help! zazpot (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed by [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zazpot/Infobox_information_security_vulnerability/doc&diff=787025777&oldid=786833933]. Parameter names example assumes by default that  is the parent of the current page, or the page itself if it doesn't have a parent. Update or remove the parameter if the page is moved. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for your speedy fix and explanation! zazpot (talk) 00:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)