Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 June 25

= June 25 =

Wikipedia categories
How does one create a new Wikipedia category? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:08, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Add the category to an article just like any existing one. It'll show up as a redlink. When you click on it, you can add sub parent categories, criteria, etc. It's also explained in much more detail at Categorization.Clarityfiend (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Small clarification: You can add parent categories by editing the new category. Subcategories are added by editing the page for the subcategory. Category pages are created like other pages. Adding the category to an article and clicking the red link is just one method. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
I cannot put the accent over the words "nee" in the photo caption in the ancestry section of this page. Please help. Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 07:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Doné. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see what you did there :-). Won't work, though. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.185} 2.221.82.167 (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Verifiability
An editor - User talk:Esemgee - on the Family of  Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge  page is confused as to what constitutes a "reliable source". The UK Government administered  Leodis (Leeds) Photographic Archive @ http://www.leodis.net/  is "peer reviewed"  - acknowledging extra input/information  from the public  before it is checked   for authenticity and, only then, possibly incorporated into the archival information. The system at "https://www.britannica.com/"  is  very similar. Should we  alert this editor this? This editor has been excellent in removing UK Daily Mail citations. Thanks 101.182.141.22 (talk) 09:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
I have voiced my concerns on the Talk page of this article - but an edit war is on! User talk:Esemgee is an editor who will not accept the various details - published in respected books (recent and historic)  and in many  verifiable citations -  concerning the Lupton family, who feature on this page. Any suggestions? This warring has been going on for some time. See above "verifiability" query too please. Cheers 101.182.141.22 (talk) 10:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I have transferred this to the Administrators' noticeboard, as they are better equipped to handle edit conflict like this. You can view this section here. Have a good day. Daylen (talk) 18:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Getting Started Help
Hi- I am taking a class on webpage creation and our first assignment is to create a wikipedia page for a company that does not have one. What are the rules with citing resources and how do I do that? Also what are the rules for creating a wikipedia page? Any other advice on creating a Wikipedia page? I am completely new to this whole thing. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lpg826 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you are a student, see the message I am about to leave on your talk page. Also, for citing sources, see this page which explains it nicely. Also, be aware of the notability guidelines for companies. When you write your article, visit Your First Article which tells you how to write an article here, then, when you're ready, go to the Article Wizard.  Seagull123  Φ  16:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to break this yo you,, but if that is your first assignment, then it sounds as if whoever is teaching the class has no understanding of Wikipedia. First, creating a Wikipedia article is difficult (see Your first article). Secondly, I always advise against thinking of "a Wikipedia page for anything", and recommend saying "a Wikipedia article about something". This might seem nitpicky, but I think it is the key to why a lot of people have an unrewarding experience when they try to create a Wikipedia article - and why I think your teacher doesn't understand Wikipedia. Creating a Wikipedia article is an entirely different activity from creating a page in a blog, a directory, or any kind of social media. --ColinFine (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I hope I am replying correctly, like I said I am brand new here... But I really appreciate that advice, thank you. You are not the first person to say that, which is a bit frustrating but I think the intention is for us to learn more about webpage creation under strict guidelines. But your comments helped lead me in the right direction!Thanks again for your response!, thank you so much- I will respond on my talk page!

Lpg826 (talk) 10:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Cite book - new functionality?
Some time ago, I read about new functionality to to make it easier to cite a book. My vague recollection is that you simply needed to use either the ISBN or the OCLC along with a template or a magic word and it would automatically generate a citation. I actually used it successfully in this edit, But I can't tell how I did it I know I didn't fill out the entire template something did it for me automatically. Does anyone recall what this new functionality is and where it is documented?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:10, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * try Yadkard? You may not have been talking about this, but you can just enter a ISBN, and it makes a cite book template in the bottom box.  Seagull123  Φ  17:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That isn't it, but thanks for pointing that out. I have used OttoBib, which seems similar to Yadkard, but what I did was much easier.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:39, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have "Enhanced editing toolbar with wizards" at Help:Edit toolbar then click "Cite" at the right, click "Templates" at the left, select "cite book", fill out the ISBN field and click the magnifying glass icon to the right of the field. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That isn't it, but it was enough of a reminder to help me remember what I did.


 * Using the visual editor, click cite, add the ISBN and generate. That generates it as a footnote, which I then edit using the old editor and remove the ref tags. (If it was in an article, and I wanted it as a footnote, skip second step) -- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

ISBN user script
Is there a user script able to convert unhyphenated ISBN, so 9780333396339 would be automatically converted to 978-0-333-39633-9? Thanks.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 17:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This script may do what you're looking for. Apparently, with the basic version it means "ISBNs will be modified to allow WikiMagic to work. See WP:ISBN and Help:Magic for details". You could always request one be written.  Seagull123  Φ  19:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Or, while not a script, you could try this page at pcn.loc.gov. Enter the ISBN, tick the "Hyphenate ISBNs" box, then click "Convert ISBN", and it will become hyphenated.  Seagull123  Φ  19:22, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I know that website, but it would take me ages to run through each and every ISBN (I've tried, and it was too overwhelming). As I said, I would like a script that would be able to do this automatically. I don't think AutoEd does this as I've installed it and it doesn't seem to work that way. Thanks anyway, I'll look at requesting one to be written.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 23:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , At Bots/Requests for approval there is an open application for approval for a bot that will replace all ordinary ISBNs with calls to Template:ISBN. I don't believe this will add hyphenation as currently designed, but this would be a good moment to ask that such a feature be added. This is begin done, as I understand it, because the "magic" ISBN syntax is being deprecated and may be removed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There are two other bots already doing that task. P p p er y 02:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * A script would not be able to hyphenate an ISBN in any meaningful way unless it had access to data providing the block length of every country code and more than 900,000 publisher codes. See ISBN for information on what the hyphens mean.--Shantavira|feed me 06:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * For English-language ISBNs, hyphenation can be done automatically, based on a table small enough to include in the code of a script. For a more general solution, there would need to be access to a database giving the lengths of the assigned publisher codes, this would be relatively small as commercial DBs go, but would need to be kept in sync with official sources. a partial hyphenation separating the prefix and the language/country designator would always be possible without a DB. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Question about archiving
Hello, Is there any way to get to filter messages to different archives? For example, archiving Signpost updates on a separate archive. Is this possible, or would I have to do it manually? Thanks – XboxGamer 22408 talk 20:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It would do the same if you set a separate talk page for specific messages just as my Signpost talk, and if set on the main talk page you'll probably have to do it manually. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 21:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

how to un-delete articles?
I found an article that went through 'Articles for Deletion' and the decision was to delete it (actually re-direct it) and that was carried out. I would like to contest this and would like to know what the procedure for that is and exactly how I would do that. I asked the deleting Admin and they told me to try to change the minds of the two people whose views he considers 'clear consensus.' Is that the only way? If an article is deleted, you have to go ask the people who voted to delete it and change their minds? Is there any other way it can be done? Thanks. 22:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isenta (talk • contribs)
 * Since only administrators can undelete pages, you might want to take it to WP:DRV with evidence of why the person is notable, providing significant coverage in reliable sources. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 23:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * DRV is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! Isenta (talk) 23:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You could create Draft:Bleeding-heart libertarianism, which wouldn't require any permissions, and if you can turn it into a decent article, it will be straightforward to move into main space.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Be careful that WP:DRV is not "AfD round 2". DRV is about whether the closing administrator properly assessed the consensual view among AfD participants. If new information comes to light (e.g. sources that were not considered at AfD), you can recreate the article, but DRV will fail to overturn the original closure.
 * The best option, as offered above, is to create the article in draft space and push it through WP:AFC. Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)