Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 June 9

= June 9 =

Assistance with Sabotour
Greetings,

My boss's Wikipedia page has a sabotour; every time we try to update it with new information and accomplishments the sabotour re-edits it within days back to the original entry. This has been going on for years.... this sabotour is very committed! Apart from re-entering the entire update every three days is there a way for us to reset our new entry after the sabotour strikes... like a previous edit reset button? Surely if the sabotour is doing this than we can too.

Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auspicious kitten (talk • contribs) 06:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * this question is the only contribution you have ever made to Wikipedia while signed in to your account, so we have no way of knowing what article you're refering to. Can you please tell us? Maproom (talk) 07:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Since the article is about your boss you have a conflict of interest and are discouraged from editing it. Also, edit-warring is not the way to settle disputes about Wikipedia content. (By the way, the word you are thinking of is saboteur, though you should probably not be using it in this case.) AndrewWTaylor (talk) 08:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Please be aware,, that if Wikipedia has an article about your boss, it is not "your boss's article", your boss does not have control of the contents, and both your boss and you are discouraged from editing the article directly. It is of course possible that the other editor is ill-intentioned towards your boss (since you haven't told us which article, we can't check) but in my experience it is far more likely that they are editing according to Wikipedia policies and you are not. For example, if you are introducing promotional material, or unsourced information, they are correct to remove it. In any case, your proper next action is to discuss the matter with them on the article's talk page, not to simply insert the information again. --ColinFine (talk) 14:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Antisemitism
How do I start a new portal? I would like to start a portal called antisemitism.--Rævhuld (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Work your way down Portal/Instructions -- John of Reading (talk) 14:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * See Portal and Portal/Instructions RegistryKey(RegEdit) 14:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I represent SIMONA CAPARRINI
Someone has wrongly put some information on my client Simona Caparrini which are inaccurate and wrong. Simona is born in 1972 and please keep this reference. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielamoviement (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have removed the date of birth from the article Simona Caparrini, as it was unsupported by any reference. Maproom (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find any references for either date. I suspect that she prefers to be younger so we cannot accept her agent's claim either.  Safest not to mention age or date of birth at all. , you seem to have omitted to declare your WP:Conflict of interest or WP:PAID status.    D b f i r s   15:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Renegade Craft Fair - Page Deleted?
Hi,

We tried to update our page a while ago and the entire thing got deleted. The page was Renegade Craft Fair and it had the entire history of our company on it! Wondering if this original copy might exist somewhere in the wiki-sphere or if we need to start over and build it from scratch.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ar Sea Eff (talk • contribs) 16:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The deletion log says "2016-02-04T07:28:50 Orangemike (talk | contribs) deleted page Renegade Craft Fair (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)", so if you ask the deleting admin, he may be willing to restore the content to your user space - I have just pinged him, so he will see this discussion.
 * Since it was deleted as unambiguous promotion, and you say the entire history of your company was in it, it would perhaps be helpful to point out that Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind, and if we had an article about your company it would not be your page and you would have no control over its content. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The place for "the entire history of our company" is on your own website. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a free advertising site.  You have not yet declared your WP:Conflict of interest.    D b f i r s   11:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Nonsense drafts submitted to AfC
I was walking the rounds at Recent Changes and came across two drafts that have been submitted to Articles for Creation and are currently awaiting review: and. I'm not an AfC reviewer, but I understand there is a significant backlog, and I don't feel these types of submissions are doing any good. Would it be acceptable to nominate these for speedy deletion? –FlyingAce✈hello 16:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I've now deleted them per WP:CSD (others would apply, too). Feel free to tag anything obvious like that in the future. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Frustrated with Pronunciation Guides and realities in articles
I am frustrated as I attempt to pronounce various words from the pronunciation guides provided in articles. (I am one who strives to use accurate pronunciations. I speak four languages, know phrases in several others, and read several languages, studied biblical Greek and learned to use IPA in broadcasting from university days.)

I have spent a couple of hours today searching for pronunciation symbols both in Wiki and other locations plus the time writing this. I have searched numerous Wiki articles for guidance:
 * International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects
 * Manual of Style/Pronunciation
 * "Search Results: Pronunciation"
 * Pronunciation (simple guide to markup, American)
 * Help:Pronunciation respelling key
 * X-SAMPA
 * Aspirated consonant.

I have gone to several other websites for guidance:
 * "The sounds of English and the International Phonetic Alphabet" (http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm)
 * "Introduction to phonetic transcription" (http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-trans.htm)
 * "Pronounce Names" (http://pronouncenames.com/)
 * "How To Pronounce" (https://www.howtopronounce.com/)
 * Even Merriam-Webster (http://assets2.merriam-webster.com/mw/static/pdf/help/guide-to-pronunciation.pdf)
 * "Oxford English Dictionary: Key to pronunciation" (http://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/key-to-pronunciation/)
 * "Word Reference" (http://www.wordreference.com/es/phonetic_symbols.htm)
 * "Merriam-Webster Online Pronunciation Symbols" (http://www.wordcentral.com/pronsymbols.html)

PROBLEM IN PARTICULAR: I open the article Ahasuerus WHERE IS A LISTING OF THE PRONUNCIATION SYMBOLS USED? Examples: Aẖashverosh; ʼĂḥašwērôš; Xšayārša Letters: How to pronounce: "ẖ", "ḥ" or "ô"? I remember long and short symbols for vowels (Ă, ā, ē), but I can't find how to use this in consonants (š). I'm familiar with the rough breather/smooth breather marks (ʽ/ʼ or Greek: daseîa pneûma/psilòn pneûma) before a letter but I see nothing noting how the asperative is used (ʼĂ) in any pronouncing guide for ʼĂḥašwērôš, unless I specifically open up your articles "Rough Breathing" or "Smooth Breathing." Although, I do get a hint by the reading: "(Hebrew: אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ, Aẖashverosh; ʼĂḥašwērôš)", but not for "(cf. Old Persian: Xšayārša; Persian: اخشورش‎‎ Axšoreš;)" Please correct me in what I have been unable to find or find easily.

BOTTOM LINE: HOW EXACTLY DO I PRONOUNCE: Xšayārša, from the old Persian?

P.S. I didn't login and write this under my user name cosmos1745 because I have lost my password. 2602:301:77BB:290:F15D:A401:338A:6072 (talk) 18:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC) cosmos1745
 * As I understand the first is the romanisation of Hebrew according to the Hebrew Academy; the second is according to ISO; both see here. The third see here. I think what you have missed is you had to look for romanizations rather than phonetics (like here).--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Cite errors again (refs within efn)
Here. I have no idea what I've done wrong.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you've run into a long-standing bug in the software, T22707. Although you can use  tags inside efn footnotes, it all falls apart if you try to define the efn footnotes inside the notelist. Try moving the note definitions up into the text where they are used. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem is it works fine until the two last refs, #172 works fine, #173 and #174 do not. Delete #173-174, and it's #171-172 which stop working.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 19:49, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the bug starts to wreck things whenever there is more than one footnote called from inside the notelist. I've made the error go away by moving the definition of note "c". -- John of Reading (talk) 20:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Though it overloads the lead section source code a little which I always want to avoid, and this is why I find "efn" and "notelist" to be very useful; but whatever, it has fixed the problem. One question: do you have an idea why it still works with the note "a" which has refs inside? Very inconsistent bug!--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk)
 * No, it's very confusing. I can't predict when adding another or another efn will make the bug turn up. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've just remembered there are better templates: ref and note. No problems any more.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Help on how to get help?
Hi I'm a little lost ... I posted a question in the "teahouse" weeks ago asking for the correct way to start a page on a specific topic but I can't figure out how to find my question again or if anyone ever answered it. I'm not even sure how i get an answer to this question. Do I get a notification? Thanks in advance if anyone can help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDMathews (talk • contribs) 22:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Your last 2 contribs was on 30 October 2011 and didn't seem any diffs record that you had post any question about specific topic at teahouse, are you used any difference account in weeks ago?  S A 1 3 B r o  (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

My question was accepted several weeks ago in the teahouse, I even saw it posted at the bottom. Strange there is no record, I only use this one login name. I just posted it there again, and was accepted. Hopefully this time it will stay. THank you. MDMathews (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDMathews (talk • contribs) 23:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)