Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 March 1

= March 1 =

Can't log in on iOS
here, accidentally logged me out on my phone and now it won't let me log back in again. I can do it on mobile but when I try to switch to desktop view it doesn't recognise me as logged in and then when I try to log in again I get an error message "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again.". Doing just that does not fix the problem. Any ideas? 124.150.26.248 (talk) 01:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * OK so if I go into private browser mode I can log in, just not the normal one. Butt hat's a pain because it keeps forgetting my details.  Has anyone else had to deal with this before? So wishing I hadn't fat fingered the log out button!  124.150.26.248 (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you try logging out and then back in on here? It's the central wiki that manages the sessions for logins across multiple wikis, and i've been wondering for a while if this would circumvent the problem. Alternatively, you will have to delete your cookies for the wikimedia.org and wikipedia.org domains from your browser. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

No contract exist before purchased order is totally wrong
Hi

I am a bussinessman and director in one multinational company.

Your statement about no contract exist before purchased order is totally wrong. Because in real business have a lot of contract before purchase order. Like open policy in insurance. A contract to binding the price in coal industry and purchased order made after that.

Thank you

surya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryahandoko (talk • contribs) 02:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * We have millions of articles. Which page are you referring to? PrimeHunter (talk) 03:04, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Possibly it's about the second paragraph of the lede in Purchase order. --CiaPan (talk) 12:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted that paragraph. Is it now a valid statement?    D b f i r s   21:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, I know almost nothing about legal aspects of trading, esp. in English or American law system. Possibly the OP, User:Suryahandoko could express their opinion? --CiaPan (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for identifying the article. I indented in response to that helpful link.  I hope the OP is now happy.  I was thinking of English law, but I expect that Norwegian law is similar.    D b f i r s   22:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Orphan question please . ..
Hi, please excuse my naiveté. I was wondering if you would be so kind as to send me an example of what a page entry looks like that has been de-orphaned. Sorry, I am still a little green on this. I am working on other pages and I am hoping to avoid this problem in the future.

Also, I noticed that my recent contribution has yet to show up on the web. Should I submit the page to google directly?

Thanks again for all your kind help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BLAN-JU (talk • contribs) 13:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The orphan tag on your article gives a number of wikilinks (in blue), primarily to WP:Orphan. Moving on to your second question, your article will not be indexed at present, because last year a rule was introduced which said that a new article would be NOINDEXed until it has been reviewed through the new page patrol process, which relies on a relatively small number of editors with the new page patrol user right.  You will see from Special:NewPagesFeed that there are over 14000 pages awaiting review, with a 4 month backlog.  I understand, however, that if an article isn't patrolled within 30 days the NOINDEX may be removed automatically.  You therefore need to be patient. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Policy on Telephone numbers?
Can someone please direct me to a policy indicating when it is appropriate to have a telephone number in an article (including the infobox). (I'm fine if the policy simply says "only if the telephone number itself is the subject of the article like "1-800-GOT-JUNK").Naraht (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Naraht, I believe you're looking for is WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and the short answer is that it isn't. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanx, hoping for something a little but more "pointy", but OTOH, it *is* a policy and bulldozers don't need to be pointy in the front. :)


 * In the case of individuals, WP:BLPPRIVACY would apply, which is "pointy". (The summary is "don't post phone numbers/email addresses/etc., it has no real encyclopedic purpose and can cause trouble".) Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This isn't for individuals, this is for the usages of Infobox University, where people want to add phone numbers for the University.Naraht (talk) 14:31, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Question
Is this correct to Paintball include in Category:Live-action battle gaming, Category:Pervasive games and Category:Location-based games? I am not native English speaker and I am not sure of this conception. Regards. Dawid2009 (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've looked at the definitions of the categories, and my view is that the first two qualify. But I don't think the third does, unless paintball has changed since I was last involved in it. Maproom (talk) 19:46, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Valencia Ballroom
Dear Sirs or Madam,

I am in possession of a picture album of a book titled "Valencia, York PA. 10th Anniversary 1929-1939". It is a 94 page book that includes black and white photos of nationally known big band leaders during that era. The book also has text describing the beginnings of the Valencia Ballroom, in York, PA., and renovations to the ballroom during that 10 year period. the book states "it is thought to be the first air conditioned ballroom in the USA in 1931". I am a family member of the Tassia family who owned and operated the Valencia Ballroom during that time. The book's pages are 8.625 X 11.0 inches in size.

The book was compiled and written by my uncle, Steven Tassia and my father worked at the Valencia during that time in various management positions. The book does not have a ISBN number or printer name or date of printing. I only know that it was printed probably during the summer of 1939.

I would like to initialize a Wikipedia web page titled "Valencia Ballroom". I know that book is not copyrighted as I have searched the US government office's web site with negative results.

My questions are:

1. Is it permissible for me to initiate a Wikipedia page of both text portions of the book and photos of some of the nationally known big band leaders?

2. I would like to know what kind of electronic file extension would be most convenient to both you and me to initiate the Wikipedia web page, i.e. .jpg, pdf, or others?

3. In addition to the book as a major single source of reference material, there were newspaper articles that were written during and after the 1929-1939 era that I would like to add as commentary. What are your requirements for reference or citation articles that you would require for this project.

I am looking forward to your response to my questions. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John C. Tassia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tass AH 1234 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear John,
 * Thank you for your questions. The newspaper articles should not be a problem. If you can specify the name of the newspaper and date of publication (the page number would be helpful as well), you can cite newspaper articles in Wikipedia.
 * The book may be more of a problem, because Wikipedia relies on published sources. This is so that readers are able to check what the cited work says. But if the book is not available, even from the Library of Congress, then it won't be acceptable as a source. The lack of an ISBN number isn't a problem, Wikipedia cites many books which were published before the invention of ISBN numbers. But if the book hasn't been published, you won't be able to cite it, and so nothing will be achieved by scanning in the text portions of it.
 * The photographs in the book may well be a good source of pictures. You could contribute the pictures by scanning them (in .jpg format), and uploading them to Wikimedia Commons (so that they can be used in all Wikipedias, not just this English-language version). But there may be a problem with copyright – I don't know what US copyright law says about photos taken in the US in the 1930s, though other editors here will. Maproom (talk) 19:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC).


 * Also asked and answered at WP:THQ. But for the record, the book appears to be self published but not unpublished, and so may be used in accordance with WP:SELFPUB, even if it's not available anywhere online. The images, if first published in the 1930s will still be assumed to be covered under copyright, unless it can be demonstrated that they were created prior to 1923. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:03, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As additional comments, I believe that it is possible for the pictures to be released in a manner that they can be used on Wikipedia, that would essentially give up all copyright control of the photos, but it would have to be established who owned the copyright (So that for example, if someone were to print them all out from Wikipedia and use them in another book, they could do so, similarly the text). However the pictures and their captions could certainly be referenced, so that for example, if the article said that Frank Sinatra played the Valencia on New Years 1938, both the newspaper story about it and the caption on the picture or the image with Frank in front of a banner saying Happy New Year would all be appropriate to list. Also, right now the only mentions of the Valencia Ballroom at Wikipedia are in the information on where various boxers had matches in 2006-2009, hopefully a reference for it being used for Boxing will be in the article. Also, see WP:Drafts or WP:AFC for how to create it as a draft where others can help it become a better article before it is published.Naraht (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Please help me to submit move request
I faced an administrator being engaged in article editing. My huge entries (without POV etc) are simply deleted. What to do? Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dnipropetrovsk

My contribution: (cur | prev) 19:33, 1 March 2017‎ 202.155.216.28 (talk)‎. . (51,556 bytes) (+7,151)‎. . (undo)

Direct link: (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dnipropetrovsk&oldid=768094398#Move_request_01_March_2017._Renaming_Dnipropetrovsk_to_Dnipro_.28city.29.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.155.216.28 (talk) 20:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

But: (cur | prev) 19:37, 1 March 2017‎ Ymblanter (talk | contribs)‎ m. . (44,405 bytes) (-7,151)‎. . (Reverted edits by 202.155.216.28 (talk) to last version by Toddy1) (undo)

Please check my contribution. It is very useful request. How can I alone fight pro russian lobby here. Ymblanter is engaged in all possible move requests.

202.155.216.28 (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * See WP:TINC. You have the same opportunity as everyone else: to initiate discussions and attempt to gain consensus for your position. You seem to have failed at this. There is no pro-Russian lobby. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I initiated the discussion on talk page. and presented my arguments. what did i fail? it was immidiately removed without reason and without discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.155.216.28 (talk) 20:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note that 202.155.216.28 is a sockpuppet of a blocked user.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * See WP:COMMONNAME. The change to the name is noted in the article (and related articles). Until it becomes the common name in the English language, it remains under the broadly recognised WP:TITLE... and please desist from this pro-Russian lobby silliness. I shouldn't be addressing a sock, but this is getting very irritating. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * did you check this? ---check from here arguments

1) Name changes policy "give extra weight to sources written after the name change is announced.".

As policy states (where WP:COMMONNAME does not have 1st preference):

"Sometimes, the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, the COMMONNAME section of this page still applies, but we give extra weight to sources written after the name change is announced. If the sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match.  If, on the other hand, sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, per COMMONNAME.

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We do not know what terms or names will be used in the future, but only what is and has been in use, and is therefore familiar to our readers. However, common sense can be applied – if the subject of an article has a name change, it is reasonable to consider the usage following the change in reliable, English language sources. This provision also applies to names used as part of descriptive titles."

2) Law of Ukraine. Dnipropetrovsk renamed to Dnipro. Link: zakon.rada.gov.ua/go/1375-VIII (in Ukrainian language)

3) Similar city with same status that was already renamed.

Kirovohrad (previous name on Wiki) – Kropyvnytskyi (current name on wiki) (same administrative level as Dnipro (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblasts_of_Ukraine). Kirovohrad is already renamed to Kropyvnytskyi. So Dnipropetrovsk should also be. Same case. If you claim its not, please present arguments that Kropyvnytskyi was common name or anything else you will use against "from Dnipropetrovsk to Dnipro" change at the time when Kirovohrad was renamed to Kropyvnytskyi

Dnipro is also the common name of a city (in case you will claim it not, then please justify why Kirovohrad (previous name on Wiki) was moved to Kropyvnytskyi (current name on wiki) which is one more argument since they bare the same administrative status (for more see below))

Dnipropetrovsk must be renamed to Dnipro to reflect actual city’s name on Wikipedia.

4) Some reliable media using "Dnipro" taken after 19 May 2016 (date of official name change. taken into account wiki pages are created for them, it means they meet notability policy and are considered well known) 0. Some Wiki articles have already applied change in title, like Menorah center (Dnipro) 1. (Center for Strategic and International Studies) https://www.csis.org/blogs/post-soviet-post/dnipropetrovsk-dnipro%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Cdecommunization%E2%80%9D-ukraine-context

2. Eurovision Song Contest http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=what_kyiv_dnipro_and_odessa_have_to_offer_for_eurovision_2017 3. Lonely Planet http://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/2016/06/07/museum-dnipro-tours-war-ukraine/

4. TripAdvisor Trip Advisor 5. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/ukraine/dnipro 6. Skyscanner, and many other

7. All Ukrainian media: unian, 1+1 (TV channel), Kyiv Post etc (example): https://www.unian.info/society/1539022-two-police-officers-shot-dead-in-dnipro-police-storm-flat-with-suspect-photos.html / https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/verkhovna-rada-renames-dnipropetrovsk-as-dnipro-414096.html 8. Encyclopædia Britannica https://global.britannica.com/place/Dnipropetrovsk-Ukraine 9. Hotels.com https://www.hotels.com/de1643291/hotels-dnipro-ukraine/ 10. Booking.com https://www.booking.com/hotel/ua/dnipro.en-gb.html 11. Airbnb https://ru.airbnb.com/s/Dnipro--Ukraine?sublets=monthly&checkin=01.04.2017&checkout=01.05.2017&page=1&s_tag=pdvThlZ9&allow_override%5B%5D= 12. Government of Ukraine. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/glava-derzhavi-budivnictvo-metropolitenu-u-dnipri-simvol-nas-40214 13. Der Spiegel http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-aus-dnipropetrowsk-wird-dnipro-a-1093095.html 14. Apple Inc. https://locate.apple.com/ua/en/sales/?pt=4&lat=51.4982&lon=31.289350000000013 15. Dnipro City council itself. http://dniprorada.gov.ua/

5)If you try to search for old version "Dnipropetrovsk", it is not available anymore in a system. It is not this city anymore and it is not recognized. U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) does not recognize word "Dnipropetrovsk" anymore.

6) U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) approves `Dnipro` only as legal name of this Ukrainian city, Dnipropetrovsk was modified to Dnipro on 28 Sep 2016 (see below in details) without further ammendments. Steps to check this proof:

1. Go to BGN's website https://geonames.usgs.gov/ 2. Press 'Foreign Names' on the left hand side. You will be redirected to https://geonames.usgs.gov/foreign/index.html. 3. You will see this part: “Information about foreign geographic feature names can be obtained from the GEOnet Names Server (GNS) (contains active hyperlink http://geonames.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html), developed and maintained by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). The GNS database is the official repository of foreign place-name decisions approved by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names”. Go to GEOnet Names Server (GNS) (hyperlink above) 4. On newly loaded page find 'GNS Search - Text Based Page'. Press on it. You will be redirected to http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/. 5. In 'name' line enter, `Dnipro`, press 'Search database'. 6. In pop up window you will see

Dnipro  (Approved - N) while

Дніпро  (Non-Roman Script - NS), Dnepropetrovsk  (Variant - V), Dnepropetrowsk  (Variant - V), Dnetropetrovsk  (Variant - V), Dniepropetrovsk  (Variant - V), Dnipropetrovs’k  (Variant - V), Dnjepropetrowsk  (Variant - V), Ekaṭerinoslav  (Variant - V), Iekaterinoslav  (Variant - V), Katerynoslav  (Variant - V), Yekaterinoslav  (Variant - V), Yekaterinovslav  (Variant - V), Дніпропетровськ  (Variant Non-Roman Script - VS)

7. Press on word ‘Dnipro’. In pop up you will see:.

Gazetteer Name: Dnipro

Linked Name: Дніпро

Feature Modify Date: 2016-09-28

Name Modify Date: 2016-09-28

These reasons are enough to rename the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.155.216.28 (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Since I assume you'll come back, I'll leave this comment. There is very little on Wikipedia that is of such an utmost importance that it is worth going to these lengths to pursue. As much as we would like to think so, the wheels of the world do not turn on every minute decision we make here. If you are on Wikipedia enough, you will win some arguments, and you will lose some, and some of the ones you loose will seem so bleedingly obvious to you that you can't fathom why the community would disagree. That's just par for the course, and if you can't get used to it, then you don't belong here. Timothy Joseph Wood  23:41, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I would be pretty annoyed if my city was spelled wrong on Wikipedia too. Timothyjosephwood's response is less than helpful if not downright rude ("you don't belong here if you can't take it"). I would suggest submitting a move request on Dnipro's talk page and request the help of a neutral administrator if necessary.  —Мандичка YO 😜 02:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * PS: Your comment that there is no pro-Russian lobby on Wikipedia shows you must not edit in this area.  —Мандичка YO 😜 02:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page for an organization
To whom it may concern,

I would like to know how to create a Wiki page for an organization? What are the steps and procedures? What are the things I need to take note of?

Let me know ! Thanks so much ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idream3 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * , if this is an organization that you are affiliated with then I suggest you read WP:COI to see what can be done about your conflict of interest. If you'd like to start the article, you would first need to see if the organization is notable enough for inclusion by checking WP:CORP. If you still believe that the organization should have an article, see WP:Your First Article. † dismas †|(talk) 23:48, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * . It may seem picky, but I would also suggest letting go of the idea of writing an article for the organisation. I realise that "for" can have a variety of meanings in English, but I believe that it will help in the goal of neutrality to think rather of writing an article about the organisation. --ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.148.32 (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2017‎ (UTC)
 * In which article? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

created page, but doesn't show up in search
I created a page a month ago and it still does not show up when I search wikipedia. Why? Do I need to tell it to "publish" or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RONISUEWING (talk • contribs) 21:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You created a user page, not an article. If you intended to create an article, start by reading the advice at WP:Your first article, and if you intend the article to be about yourself, read WP:Autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:02, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) You have created User:RONISUEWING which is a user page and not an article. Our search box only searches articles by default. On the search results page you can click "User" to include user pages, or "Everything" to include all types of pages. If you meant to create an article then the current content is unsuited. See Autobiography and Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * If you are looking for somewhere to host your autobiography, then Wikipedia is not the place to come. If you can find articles in WP:reliable sources about yourself, your books or your business, then you could request an article at WP:Requested articles, but it would look very different from the self-promotion on your user page which is really not suitable content for anywhere on Wikipedia.  Sorry to disappoint you.    D b f i r s   12:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

User Boxes
Hi everyone! Is there a page here to help show me how to format user boxes on my user page? I tried to search for it, but couldn't find it... though maybe I just don't know where to look. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royal Air Maroc (talk • contribs) 22:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , the general help page for User Pages is at WP:USERPAGE. As far as the formatting goes, you can use any wiki markup that you would use in an article as well as some HTML. † dismas †|(talk) 23:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The short answer is, "put before them, and  after them, and it'll mostly work".
 * See Userboxes.86.20.193.222 (talk) 06:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Royal Air Maroc (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)