Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 March 10

= March 10 =

How to know when your article is published
I thought I had published article on the Franklin Electric (band), but it has not shown up on Wikipedia, but it still lets me edit and includes it in my contributions. how do I know if it worked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Layre035 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect by "published" you mean that it shows up in a basic search. Pages in the main namespace ("mainspace") are what you're talking about; you can tell that a page is in mainspace because the whole page title is the name of the name, while pages in other namespaces (which don't show up in a basic search) have the name of the namespace before the pagename.  For example, this Help Desk is not in mainspace; it's in the "Wikipedia" namespace, so the whole page title is "Wikipedia:Help desk" even though the page name is just "Help desk".  Applying that answer to your question: since "The Franklin Electric (band)" is the page name, the title "Draft:The Franklin Electric (band)" shows that it's still in the "Draft" namespace, not in mainspace.  This is resolved by a pagemove, which you have the ability to do.  At the top of the draft page (and at the top of virtually every other page on Wikipedia), you'll see a little tab inscribed  .  Click it, go to the dropdown, change the selection from "Draft" to "(Article)", supply a reason (something like "Draft complete" or "Publishing article"), and finally click the "Move page" button at the bottom.  Nyttend (talk) 02:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The draft had been submitted for review through the AFC process, but in the OP had accidentally left a comment unterminated, thus stopping the submission notice from being displayed.  I have corrected this, so it is now clearly back in the AFC queue, so the OP shouldn't need to move the draft himself (with the consequential need to tidy up the submission process). --David Biddulph (talk) 08:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer. Those unclosed comments can cause issues; see the "Egads!!" section of Village pump (technical)/Archive 107, where I discovered that an accidental unclosed comment on MediaWiki:Sitenotice will cause chaos literally on every page of the encyclopedia.  Nyttend (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

R from pronunciation to odd spelling
Wythe County, Virginia is pronounced like the preposition "with", and Smyth County, Virginia is pronounced like the noun "smith", so I've just now created With County, Virginia and Smith County, Virginia to accommodate anyone who remembers the pronunciations but not the precise spellings. Do we have a good redirect template for these? It's not R from incorrect name, because the documentation shows that it's for situations like redirecting UK Cycling to British Cycling, and it's more of a pronunciation respelling than a spelling error, so I'm not sure that R from misspelling is appropriate either. Nyttend (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * How about R from modification ? - X201 (talk) 10:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's more for McDonalds ==> McDonald's or Abatement of a nuisance ==> Nuisance abatement, judging by the documentation and WhatLinksHere. Nyttend (talk) 13:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Let's ping, the RCAT specialist. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * thank you for the ping, John! IMHO, these would be R from misspellings to populate, a subcategory of .  As described in the , these are great search terms and precisely why the rcat was created.  The alternative would be to create a new rcat, R from phonetic spelling, and a new maintenance , which would be a subcategory of ; however, that would be a tracking category and would need editors who are willing to track the entries.  Seems simpler to use R from misspelling, since they are indeed just that and are very useful search terms.   Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  13:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a quick little story about the word "ping" that always comes to mind when I see the term. You may remember that in BMT (basic military training), one thing they do is cut all your hair off.  After BMT and being sent to our various bases and posts, some of us walked around the place to get familiar.  Whenever we would pass troops that had been there awhile, we would hear them go "ping PING PING! (the final ping was loud, long and an ear ringer).  We wondered WTF that was all about, so we asked a seasoned member of our squadron.  We were told that "ping" is the sound your hair makes as it grows out.  Thanks for listenin' and have a great day!   Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  14:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input; I've tagged both redirects and added HTML comments explaining that it's for the sake of pronunciation. Nyttend (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Created a page named Webkul Software Pvt. Ltd. (Under review). But the heading is appearing: "User:Myname/sandbox". Why?
I have created a page name 'Webkul Software Pvt. Ltd.' and the page is in under review process. But when I try to show preview, the heading is appearing like User:my name/sandbox. I want to know why is it appearing like this? Also, the process, by which I can correct it. Thanks PriyaV (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * PriyaV, look at my response two sections above this one; the situation's basically the same, although you've made few enough edits that you don't have the ability to move the page yet. Just make nine more edits to any page, and you'll be able to move pages.  Nyttend (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps not wise to advise the editor to move the sandbox draft himself, under the circumstances. The draft has been deleted for the third time as "(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: company spam)"  PriyaV needs to read the advice on his user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Diane larsen-Freeman176.232.4.71 (talk) 05:48, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
10 March, 2017. I have submitted an article about Diane Larsen-Freeman, who, as anyone who is familiar with ELT will know, is a well-known figure in the field. The article was also revised and re-submitted (last December), but since then I have heard nothing. How can I find out when it is likely to go "live"? Since we have a big conference coming up next month, it would be nice to be able to see it. Many thanks, Carol 176.232.4.71 (talk) 05:48, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted by an administrator on Dec. 13, 2016, seemingly at the request of the author. I have notified the administrator of your question and suggested they respond here. DonFB (talk) 08:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The article I deleted, Diane Larsen-Freeman, was created by . In the initial version of the article it contained "this is a test". Within the same minute Editor 357 blanked the page. It was tagged for deletion as G7 about 10 minutes later and I deleted it a half hour after that. There is a draft article about her that was also created in December, Draft:Diane Larsen-Freeman by . That may be what this is talking about. ~ GB fan 17:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Alternative account with no notification, but not necessarily sock puppetry?
If I have an indicator (WP:PREC) that a certain account is an alternative account for another user (who I do not know), and no information that this is an alternative account was provided (WP:SOCK), should I take any action if no other indications of sock puppetry is present? In this case, besides WP:PREC the account seem to edit BLPs almost exclusively (not exactly WP:SPASOCK, but odd), thus the preoccupation. From what I understand from WP:SPI it would not be the case for an investigation here, but should anything else be done? Perhaps notify the user himself of WP:SOCK? Saturnalia0 (talk) 06:25, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, many a time, even experienced users are not aware of our sock policy and may make inadvertent good faith mistakes. The best way forward is to request a clarification directly from the involved editor. Discretion is recommended, as no good faith editor would wish to be accused of something he or she had no idea about. If you find the responses of the editor unsatisfactory, you could come back here with specific details of the editor or contact highly experienced administrators in this area like for guidance. Hope this answers your query.  Lourdes  04:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . When you say "discretion", what do you mean? Should I not use the user's talk page to communicate this? Or are you saying to not accuse/warn, only indicate the policy? If I shouldn't use the talk page, is there any other way I can communicate with him/her? Saturnalia0 (talk) 05:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . By discretion, I am referring only to use the right words while getting clarification from the respective editor. You are free to engage the editor on the talk page. Thanks. Lourdes  13:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Help with Android app
First of all, I'm aware that this is not the right place for this kind of query, but I appear to have exhausted the normal avenues. I have a user query relating to the official Wikipedia Android app. The Wikimedia page about this app is here. At the bottom of the page there is an email address, which I wrote to three weeks ago and have not received a reply. So a couple of days ago I tried posting a note on the associated talk page, which no-one has replied to either. So I'm just about ready to give up, unless someone here can either answer my query (is it possible to edit a reading list) or, better still, get someone from that project to contact me, either on that page or via email. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 08:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay! When browsing your reading list in the app, you can "swipe" away items from the reading list to delete them. DBrant (WMF) (talk) 17:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Works great, thanks. --Viennese Waltz 16:12, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reculver
Dear Sir or Madam,

The final paragraph of sub-section 'Decline and Loss to the Sea' states that "the sea defences there continue to be maintained by Trinity House".

This is inaccurate. Trinity House only maintain sea defences where or it has property interest or, in some cases, where they relate to an active aid to navigation. Neither is the case at Reculver.

I would therefore be grateful if you would amend the article to omit this sentence.

With thanks,

Peter Hill, Estate & Property Manager, Trinity House

62.6.152.98 (talk) 11:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've fixed this; the person who added that was using a 19th-century source which said that Trinity House was maintaining the sea defences in 1867, and left the crucial date out. In future, if you see anything problematic on Wikipedia you can just amend it yourself via the "edit this page" button at the top of (almost) every page. &#8209; Iridescent 11:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But be careful if it's something you have a conflict of interest with. - X201 (talk) 11:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Another editor has reverted your change, claiming the 2012 book as justification. I don't have access to the book in question, so I don't know to what extent that book contradicts the assertion of the OP here.  May need discussion on the article talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

EDITING JOB GROUP
Hello,I am doubting about the pages that are showing up on wikipedia online.If I can see someone to tell me the one to edit or not,I will be happy.I am trying to avoid a mistake,that will not make me to receive payment again,online.Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamad olatunde (talk • contribs) 12:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . You seem to have a misunderstanding about Wikipedia.  As you have been told before, we are all volunteers here.  No-one should be paid for editing here.  Sorry to disappoint you.    D b f i r s   12:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

incorrect page
Hello, I would like to point out that the naive Max Fourny art collection is no longer visible at Halle Saint Pierre, which has since 1995 become a museum of art Brut and Art Singulier, with exclusively temporary exhibitions. Thanks to deleted this page which mistaked potential visitors. The Halle Saint Pierre got an official site : http://www.hallesaintpierre.org/ and official wikipedia page too : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_Saint-Pierre. Best regards

Olga Caldas Communication of Halle Saint Pierre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.204.222.86 (talk) 13:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment This seems to be about Musée d'Art Naïf – Max Fourny, which seems defunct; it should probably be an article called "Halle Saint-Pierre" saying it used to be called "Musée d'Art Naïf – Max Fourny", and maybe expanded with what it is now. Unfortunately, Fr:Halle Saint-Pierre has no references, and looks more like a brochure, not so encyclopaedic. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

List of Ben 10: Ultimate Alien episodes
there is now a series 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.133.61 (talk) 15:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Crystal_Clear_app_utilities.png|20px]]Thank you for your suggestion&#32;regarding List of Ben 10: Ultimate Alien episodes. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Templates. You may want to bring this to the attention of the editors interested in the article itself on the subject's talk page here: List of Ben 10: Ultimate Alien episodes Talk Page. It has been questioned whether there will be a Season 3. It's easy enough to format -- if someone has the time and knowledge. Good luck. Maineartists (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Large number of citations
I believe I read at some point that having too many citations (like over 10) to support a sentence may actually be nonneutral. I've looked at various policies and guidelines but cannot find any guidance on the number of citations. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 16:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The content guideline WP:BUNDLING leads to the essay Citation overkill.86.20.193.222 (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Bahooka (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Getting review of new article
I've created draft of my first article. Will editors find it on their own or do I have to put it somewhere? It's here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michele_Ragusa

I appreciate your help. Parplaywright (talk) 21:22, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * If you want to submit it for review, add  to the top of your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)