Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 March 14

= March 14 =

Spencer Matthews
can the page Made in Chelsea be added to the V.T.E. strip at the  bottom of eth page? Matthews was in this show for a number of years. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs)


 * No. Because those templates (not VTE strips) are about different shows. They are about The Jump and The Bachelor. † dismas †|(talk) 01:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Or did you mean, can the template Template:Made in Chelsea be added to the Spencer Matthews page? It doesn't look like the template was intended for that purpose since it doesn't appear on the pages for any of the cast. You could bring this up on the talk page at Template talk:Made in Chelsea if you want to change that though.  † dismas †|(talk) 02:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

✅ Maineartists (talk) 02:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

91411023MA3X60NA3Q
we are one of china factory ,we are sold human hair on amazon ,i sumbit the invoice to amazon team ,but they told me the they can't find the manucfater ,so i searched the 91411023MA3X60NA3Q by myself ,but i still can't search it ,so i hope you can help me to search it ,i m waitting for your reply best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.85.8.227 (talk) 02:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Claiming Edits
I made quite a few edits before joining officially, is there any way to claim these? I can provide the IP address they were made under. Theodosianus (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you wish to do so, you can make a note on your user page which IP addresses you formerly used, though of course there is no way to verify such a claim. -- Jayron 32 03:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright. Well, thanks anyway. Theodosianus (talk) 04:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to state it explicitly: IP edits cannot be reassigned to an account, and user edits cannot be reassigned to another user account. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Reading Wikipedia
I would like to know if there is any article, or any other source, on how to do a sophisticated reading of a Wikipedia article. I am looking for a list like the following - I am just making this up, am looking for the real thing. My questions about each item are followed by 3 ???.


 * 1) Check the front of the article for alerts. Some alerts should be seen as more significant than others.... which alerts???
 * 2) Scan the article and check its shape. Does this strike you as an encyclopedic style article? Does it provide the answer to your questions?
 * 3) Check the page statistics for an indication of a controversy? Is this possible???
 * 4) Find the page author --- How??? and look up his autobiography. Find other articles that author has written. Infer his/her motives for writing these article???
 * 5) Scan the talk page for controversies. Is the talk page a "rant free zone" or something else.
 * 6) Try to discover competing articles (NPOV branches) about the same topic. How???
 * 7) Read the article carefully, checking references.
 * 8) Read the discussion carefully. Try to recognize the personalities of the editors.

Again - I just made this up... I am hoping that somewhere someone as written the real list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carl94965 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but parts of it sound a bit like the way we assess Good Articles.
 * Or maybe you're looking for the perfect article?
 * It really depends what you are trying to achieve. I guess I can answer some of your points,


 * Alerts - I guess you mean templates that say if e.g. the article has been nominated for deletion, or is unreferenced, or whatever. Which are the most important is subjective; they are all designed to try and fix problems.
 * Controversy can usually be seen by looking at the article's talk page, and also by looking at the edit history. For example, for Star Trek Into Darkness, you could check Talk:Star Trek Into Darkness and 'view history'
 * You can find the original author in that same history, by going to the 'oldest' edits. (So in the example, here you'd see that page was created by in May 2009 )
 * Talk page - that's the place where improvements are discussed, so yes, you'll likely find any issues there (or in its archives, which are usually posted at the top of it). Rants about the content are OK, but personal attacks are not; those get removed and users get blocked. It has to remain WP:CIVIL.
 * NPOV forks about a topic - we don't have those. An article should present a fair balance of the subject.86.20.193.222 (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Off wiki
How to edit off wiki?UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 11:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It isn't clear what you mean by this question - could you clarify, please? Yunshui 雲 水 11:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * If you mean sign off then there's a Log out button at the top right. If you are asking how to edit without affecting the live content, then you can click edit and copy the text to a text editor or to your sandbox for off-wiki editing.  It is usually preferable to make small edits, one at a time, on the live article, but there might be some circumstances when you wish to do your editing off-wiki.  Use of a word processor is not really recommended because it can affect the formatting, but a plain text editor should be OK, or save as plain text.  You can test your results by copying back into your sandbox to check that the result of the edit displays correctly.    D b f i r s   11:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * By a long shot – given that you just came off editing the video game Star Control II, if you're alluding to editing the game Off Wiki, this has no relation to Wikipedia. Lourdes  11:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * See mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick for an option if you mean downloading software. Without downloading Wikipedia's templates and other pages, many things will not render like they do here. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't tried it and don't actually know whether this will allow easy off-line editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's certainly not easy; it's incredibly complicated. You need to set up the wiki in just the right way, with similar settings to enwiki; even then, without supporting templates, categories, and other linkage, it doesn't function well. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

You can edit the text content using any (offline) editor of your choice, for example Microsoft Word, just by doing copy-and-paste. That will not help for formatting (bold, headings, etc), nor will it show the result of wiki markup such as refs.

Due to all the complex links within Wikipedia, particularly to templates and markup such as references,, etc. it is very difficult to check the result of substantial edits offline.

If you are online, you can copy/paste articles into a sandbox so that you can work on them. If you do that, a) record where it was copied from or to (e.g with a diff in the edit summary), and be careful if others edit the real article while you work on a copy. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Nisha Rawal


Please confirm - She married TV actor Karan Mehra or Karan Veer Mehra in 2012 after six years of dating? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.228.147.72 (talk) 12:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Nisha Rawal (who portrayed Soumya Diwan in Main Lakshmi Tere Aangan Ki) married Karan Mehra (Karan Ajay Mehra, of Jalandar, who played Naitik Singhania in Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai) on 24 Nov 2012. This magazine has pictures from their wedding. It says they were in "a long term relationship for almost five years" [before marriage].


 * Wikipedia does not have an article about Karan Veer Mehra (of Ragini MMS 2), but his IMDB page here incorrectly says he's married to Nisha Rawal. IMDB is not a reliable source. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: IMDB is an unreliable source, its edited by anyone - you may need to find further accurate information than IMDB. Stewart Little (talk) 18:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit Conflict
I see (edit conflict) prefacing numerous posts, comments -- even edits and voting; yet never see an explanation of the conflict within the edit summary. Why is this not a prerequisite for this disclosure? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect you don't know "(edit conflict)" refers to Help:Edit conflict. It often means an edit was written without seeing a previous relevant edit, for example causing some repetition. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey Maineartists. An edit conflict just means that two or more people tried to edit the same section at the same time, which the software won't let you do, so it gives you an error. Mainly, comments are marked like this to indicate that the new comment might not be "up to date" in the conversation, since they're not replying to the latest comments by others. So for example you might see this:


 * So in this case, UserThree is replying to an old comment, where the problem has already been solved, and their comment is no longer really relevant. But they didn't realize the problem was solved because of the edit conflict. Hope that is helpful, and not even more confusing. Timothy Joseph Wood  12:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This actually is making it clearer that there are those on WP who don't know how to use this correctly; in as such: these are not any of the examples I am seeing this occur -- which caused my initial confusion of the term. Some have used it as a WP:COI tag. I understand its correct creation of use and means for definition. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * (EC) Hi, Maineartists. You probably confuse the 'edit conflict' with 'conflict of interest'... Edit conflict appears if you start editing a page, say to answer someone's question, and someone else posts their answers before you do. The Wikpedia soft then warns you the page has been modified since you started editing. You can then just save your answer (and possibly destroy someone else's work, because the version you edit does not contain what others have posted meanwhile) or cancel your edit and start over from scratch (which you usually wouldn't do as it means a waste of lots of time, especially if the page is hot and conflicts may appear several times).
 * Or you can copy your answer from the edit window to a clipboard, then cancel editing, start it over and paste your work to append it to what others wrote. Then you'll probably not want to read everything added in the meantime, so you put '(edit conflict)' or '(ec)' note in front of your answer; the note indicates your answer was started before some contents was added, so it may repeat what others said, or even may appear irrelevant (if the question poster has changed their question before you posted your answer). --CiaPan (talk) 13:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Great! Thanks everyone! Maineartists (talk) 13:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Although the initial question was based on a misunderstanding, it still would be interesting to answer. If one's answer became totally irrelevant, it should not be posted at all rather than prefaced with ; if part of it went obsolete, it should be updated before posting.
 * I mean, the default meaning I imagine when reading an edit conflict caveat is "I spent 15min typing this and I won't bother to update it just because someone else was quicker on the trigger". I am guilty of doing it now and then, but surely that is poor netiquette and should be discouraged, no? Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * My example was a little extreme in order to illustrate the point. In that literal case, (i.e., replying with a short comment made obviously irrelevant by another short comment), yes, the better option is just to carry on without the need to reply.
 * However, most of the time it's much less clear cut, and is often the case that the intervening comment is merely a bit of "vectoring off" in a different conversational direction, where the edit-conflict-comment is still relevant, but is somewhat off focus given where the conversation just veered off toward. Timothy Joseph Wood  14:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand that the edit-conflicting comment often adds something, but that something is too much mixed with the outdated/irrelevant info that one would not bother refactoring. But I do not know whether we as the Wikipedia community (or even global internet community) view that as socially acceptable behavior, or whether we should. I am not saying the OP (taken literally) is easily answered or should be decided on the HD, but it is a question worth asking.
 * (As for your hypothetical example, I doubt HypotheticalUserNumberThree should have posted even in the absence of HypotheticalUserNumberTwo's comment ) Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly you are missing the context though. HypotheticalUserNumberThree is a highly altruistic user with technical expertise in this area, who was responding to a post on her talk page. She just nominated several articles for speedy deletion, and strongly suspects that HypotheticalUserNumberTwo is a sock of a blocked user who is imitating her username, and who is posting on her talk to be disruptive. But she is assuming good faith and is going directly to double check and see if the problem was actually solved, and consider filing an AIV or SPI if the user is being disruptive. Timothy Joseph Wood  17:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * New-ish users sometimes confuse the term with the more serious matter of "edit warring". --Gronk Oz (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Changing company name
Hi,

I am editing profile Agito (company), but because company recently changed its name, I would like to change the name of the chanel to Agitavit Solutions (new company name).

Kind Regards, Maja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agito Slovenia (talk • contribs) 13:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * User blocked for spamming and user name violation Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Blocked or not, per crappy machine translation of this source, they appear to be correct, and I have moved the article. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Please note Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a social media site (WP:WWIN). We do not keep companies' profiles or channels here, we make articles about them. --CiaPan (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit summary when undoing
When you undo another user's edit, there is an edit summary box provided that is preloaded. It's not so bad with named accounts and IPv4s, but for IPv6s, the damned thing is so long, there's almost no room to insert an explanation and often. I try to delete most of the crap that is preloaded to give myself room, but sometimes I forget and the explanation is truncated (it also shouldn't accept more characters than it can display). Is there a way to customize this? Any possibility of the developers making a permanent change?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * , see the top of WP:VPT. † dismas †|(talk) 14:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ,, T10968 provides a very similar issue description. Apart from that, I guess for suppressing the undo automatic edit summary, one would have to either tweak MediaWiki:Undo-summary, or set the default value of $wgUseAutomaticEditSummaries to false. And as both would apply universally, and not for a single user, the best method for now is to do what Bbb23 is doing; manually edit the summary. Lourdes  15:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a very old report. I have trouble following it (they don't write these things for anyone but themselves), but looks like it was "done" in 2008. What exact was "done" isn't clear, although I suspect it was the character limit part because they certainly didn't turn off automatic edit summaries. Seems to me at a minimum they could prevent you from typing beyond the limit.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:33, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Related article templates
For this question, I'm referring to the templates at the bottom of many articles that list related articles. Template:Pink Floyd, for instance. Is there any guideline or such that says that only articles that are linked in the template should have the template in the article? † dismas †|(talk) 14:39, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BIDIRECTIONAL (part of WP:CLT). P p p er y 14:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! † dismas †|(talk) 14:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Lake Eugenia Ontario page
Hi my name is Matthew Webb, and I work for Sea and Ski realty, and we are referenced on the Lake Eugenia (Ontario Canada) page, information from our website was used, we have no problem with that, however the name of our company is misspelled at the footer in the reference section:

We are SEA AND SKI and the reference is SEA AND SKY, we would very much like this corrected as another brokerage exists in Brittish Colombia by that name, that is not associated with us.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or require any further verification.

best

Matthew Webb email and phone number removed 86.20.193.222 (talk) 18:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.222.62.123 (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Done. SammyMajed (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

My edits are being removed repeatedly.
Dear Help Desk,

I have been editing the page on C.G. Jung. As a Jungian analyst, I felt that certain opinions were being put forth that are not accurate regarding Jungian psychology. My edits have been summarily removed by FreeKnowledgeCreator who clearly does not understand the issue. He calls the edits "promotional," which he could only do out of lack of understanding. He doesn't understand Jung's discoveries. This feels a bit like bullying to me. Can you let me know the best way to handle the situation? Thanks.

Laurel Howe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelhowe (talk • contribs) 19:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Your editing language to that article may not meet the required policy please see WP:PROMOTIONAL, also if you feel it is incorrect you may need to re-word the editing style used. Regards Stewart Littletalk  19:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Stop, immediately. "Repeatedly" takes two. Edit-wars disrupt Wikipedia, and users get blocked. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong; nothing is on fire;


 * Discuss what you want to change on the talk page, Talk:Carl Jung. See if you can come to an agreement, maybe get input from others too.


 * Also please be very careful about allowing your opinion into the edits; all facts should be supported by an appropriate reliable source. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Plovdiv medical university controversy.
Hello i would like to ask you what actions should be made in order for the part of the wikipedia page about Plovdiv Medical University named Controversy to be removed given the fact that are completely insubstantial and extremely offensive to students of the medical university and generally to the university as a whole.These false statements are based on gossip columns and in no way portray the truth about the university and its staff.These statements hurt the credibility of the university as well as the hard work that is done in this institution.Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.187.92.35 (talk) 21:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The section Plovdiv Medical University has seven supporting references. Can you provide references to support your claim that the statements in them are false? Maproom (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Thes references do not support any of these statements they just reproduce the insubstantial accusations in local news channels.They are not any form of proof that validate these statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.187.92.35 (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

These accusations against the university are based on a letter send on those news channels without any signature of the author of the letter.Thus anonymous accusations without proof shouldnt be base for creation of articles on wikipedia.Plus the credibility of the referencesshould be checked before they are accepted as supporting references — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.187.92.35 (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello there. I think you have some valid points, and that the 'controversy' section is given undue weight. I am about to remove part of it. I think possibly some of it is valid, but...


 * Please can we discuss it on Talk:Plovdiv Medical University. I will copy this over there. Let's go through it, and try to come to some agreement. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm copying this over to the article talk page, for continued discussions. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Where do you.....................
I understand that McGoo 22:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC) means me, BUT! Where do I enter it? How? and when? I just made several little changes to an article; should I enter McGoo 22:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC) for each one? If so where? Your instructions often leave out answers to these 3 questions. Confusing. And where do I click to SEND this question? I don't see any SAVE or SUBMIT or other. Do I click save changes below? But I have made no changes to this page......HELP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmcgoo (talk • contribs) 22:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * On a talk page or a similar page (like help desks and such), you should sign your posts with four tildes, like this: " ~ " When making edits to an article in the mainspace (an article without "x:" before it), you should not use you signature. For further reading, you can go read this little section: WP:SIGNHERE. When making edits to an article in the mainspace (an article without "x:" before it), you should not use you signature. Hope this helps! RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  22:29, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Peter Bulkeley
My ancestor, the Rev Peter Bulkeley of Concord, MA has an article about him here. Unfortunately the many uses of his name were misspelled. I have corrected as many as I can, but for one: The title of the article!! I cannot figure how to change that. There are several misspellings in the references but some are the actual title of a book or other work which should not be changed for the sake of accuracy to the original work, though it too was misspelled. How do we correct the spelling of the title of the article? And how do I SEND and sign this? McGoo 22:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC) I'll try SAVE CHANGES but I'm making no changes here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmcgoo (talk • contribs) 22:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Convenience link. † dismas †|(talk) 23:29, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Convenience link. † dismas †|(talk) 23:29, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * , first an aside, you are making changes here. You're asking your question.
 * Second, in order to change the title of an article, the article must be WP:MOVEd. † dismas †|(talk) 23:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * And after going through most of the sources referenced in the article, I find a great number of them go with the "Bulkley" spelling. † dismas †|(talk) 23:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

"Game of Thrones Live Concert Experience" Page ***URGENT***
Hi,

Please ensure that the following page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Live_Concert_Experience does NOT populate edits that include columns for "REVENUE" and "ATTENDANCE" in the section of this page titled "Dates performed." The information populated initially by another user was incorrect and the source they used no longer even features the statistic.

Live Nation owns the rights to this tour and has been specifically asked by the composer that this information come down.

We will be monitoring the page.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smgherini (talk • contribs) 22:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually the source very clearly verifies the information that you removed. You have been reverted and the information has been put back. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and our goal is to provide verified, sourced information. Regardless of what that information is. Regardless of how Live Nation feels about that information. Sorry. It is sourced, and it won't be coming down. --Majora (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * We will be monitoring the page. ...and we will be not caring. Timothy Joseph Wood  23:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can show that the source in question made a correction or a retraction regarding the figures they pub°lished, then please do let us know that. If they corrected or retracted it, then we'll do the same. But the fact that they "no longer feature" the information is irrelevant, people take old information off their website all the time. Billboard is a reasonably reliable source for the information in question, so if that's what they published, that's what we'll reflect. The fact that someone doesn't like it being in the article has no bearing. If it's factually inaccurate, that's a different matter. Which is it? Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * It would help us to know if you are an employee or their publicity agent, promoter etc.--Aspro (talk) 14:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Moving page to a redirect after merge
In 2013, the articles Palyul and Pelyul Monastery were merged. While the intent was correct, they were unfortunately merged into Palyul which is neither the WP:COMMONNAME spelling of Pelyul nor the proper level of description (individual monasteries should include the word Monastery in their titles as per WP:CHURCH). I would like to move the merged page to Pelyul Monastery, but I don't know how to move it back to a redirect page. I'm sure there's a simple solution but I didn't want to risk blanking the redirect page without proper instruction. Thanks for any help! --NoGhost (talk) 23:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * , it seems to me the article should be renamed to "Palyul Monastery". Redirects from "Palyul" and "Pelyul" can be created. I see you have already edited to change the spelling to "Palyul" in the article text (as shown on the monastery's website). The letter "a" appears to be correct, rather than "e" in the name. On the article's Talk page you can propose renaming and see if anyone disagrees. DonFB (talk) 00:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think you may have misread NoGhost's edit. In, the spelling was changed from Palyul to Pelyul, not vice versa. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * David is correct, I did change the text to Pelyul. I did not actually check the website beforehand, and I didn't realize they were using Palyul.  I simply assumed Pelyul was best since it is the THL Simplified Phonetic Transcription of the word.  In this case, I am happy to accept Palyul as the WP:COMMONNAME.  In order to better describe the topic, I will then WP:MOVE the page to Palyul Monastery. --NoGhost (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have moved the page since it is not a controversial or potentially controversial move. Also, I finally noticed this section which describes how to move a page over a redirect, in case I need to do this in the future.  Thanks to you both for the comments! -NoGhost (talk) 01:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have made a corresponding amendment to the navigation template Buddhist monasteries in Sichuan which appears at the foot of the various monastery articles. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good catch, thanks! --NoGhost (talk) 01:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)