Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 March 7

= March 7 =

Inability to edit
Last week I attempted to edit the list of ACM Turing Award recipients organized by university because it omitted two from Stanford. However the system would not let me do that unless I logged in and when I attempted to do that it rejected me. I had made an edit a year or so ago, so I knew I had opened an account but when I gave what I thought was my ID and password it was rejected and there does not appear to be a way to reactivate it.

I also post a note here last week and was ignored.

Lester Earnest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:32DA:9D90:D007:CE35:FD94:E5F (talk) 01:27, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You can find the steps to recover a lost password over here. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 01:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

To notify or not to notify (a relisted discussion)
Both RMs at Talk:Civil Service of the People's Republic of China and Talk:National Emblem of the People's Republic of China are relisted. Seems that more participants are needed, even when there were plenty. Without violating WP:canvassing, I want to know which few or several venues are appropriate for notifying uninvolved people. --George Ho (talk) 02:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

2017-18 NCAA Division I men's basketball season article
The Regular season is over so now you need to start next season's article's and I hope you don't delete this article because it is not too soon. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 04:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No, I don't need to start next season's article. An editor might choose to do so: it's all voluntary.  If you think the topic is important, then please feel free to contribute to it yourself. --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * FYI to everyone monitoring this: the IP is notorious for WP:TOOSOON and wants to be the first one to create these articles despite lacking GNG 99% of the time. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

No You Need to start a AfD For Discussion to save this article. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 14:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Nobody needs to do anything. If an article fails WP:BEFORE then it can reasonably be redirected or deleted without discussion. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Right now, there are four pages other than the 2016-2017 season page that link to it, given that information is available on commitments to programs for next year, those pages are reasonable. Also the page for next years tournament is created. If the OP or someone else was to create a draft with the appropriate pieces, I'd be willing to move to mainspace.Naraht (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The draft which the OP had created (twice) in the wrong place at Talk:2017-18 NCAA Division I men's basketball season had no relevant sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:42, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just as a notice, the page was moved to draft space and recently approved; it's now at 2017–18 NCAA Division I men's basketball season. Primefac (talk) 19:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page for I-MAGAZINE fashion face award 2016
Hi, Was trying to create a page about I-magazine fashion face award 2016 which fully covered in Asia countries including Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, South Korea , Thailand, Vietnam and Japan on TV and online news sites, also verified by celebrities winners Lee Gi Kwang and Yao Chen But I cannot figure out to create... I really tried, as the event have over 50000000views in weibo super tag "最時尚面孔", over 10000000 views of super tag "亞洲最時尚面孔"and wechat, when i searching for foreign sites there's no wiki result.

Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rixto3 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You need to start by reading the guidance at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

How to deal with duplicate Wikipedia Pages?
Hello, I am currently updating a person's Wikipedia page, but need to know how to link a previously created Wikipedia page, or eliminate one of them. I need a little guidance, please. Thanks

SACDR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacdr (talk • contribs) 07:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Convenience links:, . Maproom (talk) 07:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The latter (which is a copyright violation of the former) has been marked for speedy deletion, so the problem should soon go away. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And it's gone! Those admins are fast. Maproom (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * This particular case was resolved by Maproom (and the patrolling admin); if the case happens again, see Content forking. Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Sassa Letter
Good day to you, i am in need of a letter statementr saying that you have 2 senior citizens on register recieving sassa grants, how do i go about achieving this please as it is rather urgent.

warmest regards

Tarra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.41.30 (talk) 11:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.3 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:57, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Creating New Page
Hi, Am Rajesha, I want to create a page about our college which works under Diocese. There are many other institutions working in different places including Special Schools. These places are historically, socially, educationally important but not highlighted because of its presence in rural area. I found extensive articles on writing, rules, creating pages but I want a briefed steps to follow so that I can save lot of time. An visual guide or link to it would be helpful for me.

Thanks and Regards, Rajesha Upadhyaya M N — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajsaradka (talk • contribs) 14:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello . You can use the Article Wizard to help you with writing your article. —MRD2014 📞 What I've done 14:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * But I recommend that you start by studying your first article, . Creating a new article is not easy, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months getting to know Wikipedia by working on existing articles before they try it. When you do come to write it, the most important thing - more important than spelling or layout, and much more important than pictures or tables of detailed information - is solid references to reliable published sources, preferably sources unconnected with the subject. When you come to write, forget what you know and only put into the article what you can find in a source (but in your own words) --ColinFine (talk) 16:27, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Create entry for my business
Please let me know what else you need from me. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EtrotMTR (talk • contribs) 15:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid you are making a very common mistake of supposing that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with promotion. It does not, and promotion of any kind is strictly forbidden. If we were to have an article about your business, you would not own or control the contents of the article, and indeed you are strongly discouraged from writing or editing such an article because of your conflict of interest. Wikipedia would have essentially no interest in anything that you or your associates had said or published, or wanted to say, about the business: it would interested only in what people who have no connection whatever with the business had published about it.


 * Having said all that, it is not impossible to have such an article written. You can request one at requested articles - but be aware that there is a significant backlog, and that everything is done by volunteers, who choose what they want to work on. If you can find some places where people who have no connection with you or your business have written in-depth articles about the business, then including references to those articles would probably make your request more attractive to somebody to pick up and work with. On the other hand, if you search and can't find any such writing, then the chances are your business doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria of notability, and no article about it would be accepted at present, however written and by whoever. --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

find records
hi my family think my grandfather fought in ww1 and ww2 in ww1 he would have been a volunteer were in London can I go do I have to book an appointment to find out if this is true because we are not sure can anyone help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.68.13.58 (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.3 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You could try here or were you wishing to book an appointment at Kew National Archives in Surrey? You could also try ancestry or findmypast where the same records can be viewed on-line, by subscription or possibly with a free trial offer.  If the records containing your grandfather's details were destroyed in the WW2 bombing, then perhaps a local newspaper would contain your grandfather's name, but there may be no remaining documentary evidence.  Good luck in your search.    D b f i r s   17:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Removing Template Message
Hello, I have tried to improve the entry I've been working on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Beck_(painter) (I've been adding citations - I am still waiting for a couple of hard copies to arrive as nothing online; and making date formats consistent). I have also now tried to read the help about how to remove the template message, but have failed. I would really appreciate some guidance. Thank you! Sue — Preceding unsigned comment added by SueJenkins (talk • contribs) 17:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd like to compliment you on your work on this. The Template is up at the top, and contains the words "Citation Style". Since it was specifically added by, you may want to drop him a note on his talk page (if he doesn't respond here) about removing it or if he has any specific ideas.Naraht (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the message. Sorry to have bothered you - in the end I right clicked and got a 'delete' option which let me delete the highlighted template message: not quite as described in the help, but I got there. Thanks again. SueJ (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . For future reference, removing a template is technically the same as removing any content from an article. Just go into edit mode, find the template, and then delete it. As for date consistency, you've chosen the "day-month-year" format which is commonly used in British English. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but perhaps the "month-day-year" format might be more appropriate per MOS:DATETIES and MOS:TIES since Robert Beck is identified as an American painter who seems to be primarily active in the US. This is just a suggestion, not a criticism. Anyway, regardless of which format is chosen, consistency throughout the article should be the ultimate goal. So, if you feel British English should be used, perhaps add Template:Use British English to the top of the article, just above the "Infobox artist" template and then leave an explanation in your edit sum or on the talk page. This template will not be visible in "read-mode", but it will be visible to anyone who edits the article and it will let others know it is your preferred style. If anyone tries to vary without giving a good reason, then engage in article talk page discussion to sort things out per WP:RETAIN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I will change dates to American English per your sound advice! SueJ (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

The total mess in Wikidata
See this Interwiki:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawid2009 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . This is a known problem in Wikidata, and cannot be addressed in (any) Wikipedia except by a very ad hoc arrangement of redirects. I remember discussing it there more than three years ago (see d:Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/09) and wasn't really satisfied with the answers; but I haven't followed Wikidata much since then, so I don't know if there have been any developments. But I think that if you want to take it further you really need to do so on d:Wikidata:Project Chat rather than here. --ColinFine (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Change of Name
Hi, How do I change the name of a page to include the maiden name of a person. I tried editing the page name and I couldn't find the Edit tool for this field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EidM (talk • contribs) 20:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg In Wikipedia, a page can usually be renamed if the existing title is incorrect; this is called moving a page. A page may also be moved to another namespace without changing the base title—for example, a userspace draft may be moved to article space. Autoconfirmed rights are required for page moving but you may request a page move at Requested moves if you are not yet autoconfirmed, there is a technical barrier to the move, or the retitling is expected to be controversial and you seek consensus for the name change. For details, see Help:How to move a page.  P p p er y 20:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, changing the name of a page is known as 'moving' it to a new location. (See WP:MOVE for more information). This is done via the 'more' tab at the top of any page. However, a page name would be the name under which the subject is generally known (see WP:COMMONNAME) and would not typically include a maiden name (or any other name as a rule). Alternative names would be mentioned, where necessary, early in the lead. Eagleash (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You could alternatively create a redirect so when people search for and go to the redirect page they would be automatically taken to the other page. RJFJR (talk) 14:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Aggil Loupescou
Aggil Loupescou Hypnotherapist and Intuitive psychologist. President of the Society of Psychical Research Greece, Member of the Society for Psychical Research in London ( London ) and the National Guild of Hypnotists (H.P.A.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chantalini (talk • contribs) 22:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am guessing that you wish to create an article about that person, right?
 * Be careful about any conflict of interest. Otherwise, the first step is to gather references and see if the person meets the notability requirements; there is a good guide at WP:FIRST. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 23:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Jefrox (Gang)
The Jefrox are a primarily Filipino Asian-American street gang founded in West Los Angeles, California. The gang is widely known for its rivalry with the Asian Boyz street gangs. The word "Jefrox" is loosely translated "Rascal" from the Philippine Language. The Jefrox street gang has been around since 1979 started by their founder "Jefroy" and his younger Brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asian shadow (talk • contribs) 22:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you have created an article about this, at Jefrox (Gang). Unfortunately, it is likely to be quickly deleted, because it lacks references (other than a book written in the future). The gang probably isn't "notable" enough; please see WP:FIRST for some help. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 23:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)