Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 May 1

= May 1 =

Super Bowl Template needs to be fixed
Can you fix the super bowl template please 2600:8803:7A00:976A:118C:818B:684D:7776 (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Template:Super Bowl was vandalized and has been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Edits
Please see the wiki page Monjuic. Two days ago I edited the etymology of the name, which contained erroneous information. Yesterday my edit was removed and I was told it was because my source "came from Israel" so it is not reliable. I am speechless. The wiki editor put back his original citation (which takes you to a wiki page about an encyclopedia, but is in no way a specific citation on the etymology of the name Monjuic). I have now supplied him with two further references, both of which do not "come from Israel". I am so disappointed that we are now calling references from Israel unreliable. I tried to find a proper link to follow what should be done when an editor is removing my correct info, and in place putting something that is not accurate, but I could find no such link. I hope you can help. I hope he wont become vindictive and delete my other work. This is why people are leery of Wiki work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sktpa (talk • contribs) 03:21, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, the reason the edit was deleted was because the source was not reliable enough, not because it came from Israel per se. (See reason given in this edit). Please see WP:RS for more information in respect of reliability. This has been explained to you in response to your question at the other editor's talk page. The reference added by the other editor goes into some detail about the etymology. Also, this is really a content dispute and should be resolved by (amicable) discussion between you both. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. Please note a. this is the message the editor sent to me "The reference you supplied was (1) a passing mention in (2) a travel article in (3) an Israeli newspaper." That is a quote. Furthermore, as i noted, I tried to find a link/information that would explain how to handle this, and could find none. That was my inquiry to you. All that was needed was a direction to discuss it with him. And sadly, we tried and do not see eye to eye. Anyone who would include "an Israeli newspaper" as a reason for deleting a source is simply beyond my understanding, even if it was one of three reason--it is very bad form. I accept this will not be changed, and will not comment further about it here. I am very sad for Wikipedia. I just finished my MLIS and now I truly understand why professors will not permit any citation from Wiki. Thank you for your time.  I hope your health improves. Sktpa (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC).
 * Firstly, thank you for your good wishes. I have taken the liberty of fixing the indentation and signature in your message. Moving on to the business in hand, as the other editor explained at his talk page, the reference was not deemed unacceptable because it came from Israel but because it was, for Wikipedia, not satisfactory. The same would likely to be said for any travelogue page in any world newspaper; it is unlikely to have the specialist knowledge that a local encyclopedia dedicated to the area under discussion would have. Of course, academics are unlikely to accept Wiki as a reference because of the danger of editors, in good faith, introducing poorly sourced material. Something the other editor is trying to avoid. I am as sure as I possibly can be that there was no racial motive behind this. Please take care not to make any sort of disparaging remark about another editor, however minor. (See WP:NPA). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. Just type the four tildes...nothing else. Automatically produces your sig. and a timestamp. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

after I did what I was asked
Hi, I made an page about a football player and it told me to put links in on the page or else would be deleted. Well I put a few links in and it's still telling me the page is going to be deleted. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YtS FlameZ (talk • contribs) 03:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The notice has to be removed by another editor. It does not happen 'automatically'. As more than one source has been added, I have removed the 'Prod' (as it is known...short for proposed deletion) and also tidied the page up a bit. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tides ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:38, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

"Kefir" mentions kefir grains but does not define the grains.
"Kefir" mentions kefir grains but does not define the grains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.216.84 (talk) 04:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

The Kefir paragraph says "The kefir grains initiating the fermentation are a combination of lactic acid bacteria and yeasts in a matrix of proteins, lipids, and sugars. This symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast (or SCOBY) forms "grains" that resemble cauliflower". Isn't that enough of a definition? We don't go into detail like that in the lead section. Rojomoke (talk) 05:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Initiating Deletion of a Redirect
Hello:

I think a (perhaps former) colleague has put a redirect in place for "ECRS" (ostensibly, a point-of-sale register and inventory system for retail sales). This redirect shuttles users to the entry for "Kaizen," of which (I suspect) the acronym ECRS has been shoe-horned.

I would like to nominate this redirect for deletion, and flag the source cited for review and applicability to the topic, with the initiating user notified and possibly censured (if necessary).

Ideally, my request for deletion would be as simply-issued as I request the local weather report from Alexa. Since the process of requesting deletion of a redirect seems a bit more murky than for an article, I wondered if someone could walk me through this process, including what to put on which "talk" pages, "listing" pages, wawiting periods, et al. that this proposed deletion, should it occur, be according to established principles and in the best way to achieve such at present.

Thank you,

Chrishota (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ECRS&action=history] shows the reason for redirecting to Kaizen was: Eliminate, combine, rearrange, simplify: Four principles of Kaizen according to "Equalized & synchronized production: the high-mix manufacturing system that ..." By Toshiki Naruse. Neither this nor ECRS is or was mentioned in Kaizen so I have changed ECRS to redirect to Expense and Cost Recovery System (ECRS) which I assume is the meaning you refer to. A nomination and discussion is not mandatory to retarget a redirect. A Wikipedia search of "Eliminate, combine, rearrange, simplify" gives no results but an Internet search confirms it's a real term with acronym ECRS and some connection to Kaizen. There is no reason to censure anyone. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Unwanted & sign in Notes
I'm editing the following:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_St._Quentin_Canal#Battle

I have more or less got the hang of citations and refs now, but I'm stumped on this: I keep ending up with an unwanted & in Note 30. Also, not sure if my formatting is correct for this one, because the reference is to an essay in a book which is an edited collection of essays by different authors. (At least I've remembered my squiggles this time!) Daveleicuk (talk) 11:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not at all clear what it is that you are trying to do with this:
 * Did you intend:
 * or did you intend:
 * (there is not Winter & Elkins source in §References)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * (there is not Winter & Elkins source in §References)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have adapted your citation to include both the author's and the editor's information. Ekins is included in separate "editor" parameters. If the specific essay has a title on its own, you can add this title in the currently empty "chapter=" parameter. Please see my edit for more details of the changed parameters (the list of examples at Template:cite book also includes this case among others). A last quick point: "Cite x" templates need the parameter "ref=harv" to activate links between short harvard and full bibliographic references. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation, GermanJoe, this is helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daveleicuk (talk • contribs) 05:57, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Unsalting
Where can I request that Kyara be unsalted to create a dab page for Paul Henry Kyara, Kyara Stijns and possibly the highest grade (in Japan) of agarwood? Clarityfiend (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The information is at WP:SALT. It appears the salting administrator is . Naraht (talk) 15:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * SALT just says what it is, and I already know that. I guess I'll ask Spartaz to unsalt it. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, WP:UNPROTECT at the bottom of WP:RfPP should also cover such requests to remove create protection (atleast according to the section's info). It recommends to contact the protecting administrator first, unless the admin is inactive of course. GermanJoe (talk) 16:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

How to make a reference to explanatory text in a different article
Is it possible to make a reference in one article (specifically, "Tom Cotton" at "La Cheeserie") to a delimited text in a different text (specifically "The Tony Kornheiser Show" at "La Cheeserie"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by John.garavelli (talk • contribs) 16:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, you can link to a specific section in another article by typing  (assuming this is what you are asking). You can use a pipe ('|')  after the section name if required. However, please do not use other Wiki pages as a reference. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Article for fanfiction
Hello! We're writing a kind of a fanfiction as a collaboration, there's about 20 of us and we'd like to keep track of what's happening in it. Are we allowed to create some sort of article for that purpose, when all we need is one page so we'd prefer not to use something like Fandom to create our own Wiki for it. Not necessarily a proper article, but something like a sandbox article we could use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BookedBy (talk • contribs) 17:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia sandboxes are for working on pages that will become articles someday.  See WP:ALTERNATIVE for some other options to look at. RudolfRed (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi a page on Wikia.com could probably be a good solution for you and your group - it runs on the same software as this site. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what we were planning to use, but the other options are a bit too time-consuming for us, and just using Wikipedia itself would be way easier. I was reading the rules of creating articles, and it says that "you can put more or less anything on your user page, as long as it does not break any other rules". Could I possibly use my user page for this purpose? If not, I guess we'll be using Wikia in that case. BookedBy (talk) 17:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a web host. The user pages are for projects related to Wikipedia.  If you click on the previous link and look at point #5.  That then links to things you shouldn't have in your userspace.  The first row in the table is the one that pertains to what you want to do.  ~ GB fan 18:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Archive bot mistake
In the bot archived my "PNBC" request that I just now made. How can I report the mistake by the bot? 208.95.51.38 (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm just guessing, but I suspect the mistaken archiving was because, when a vandal added junk below your request, you added a thread title to their edit ("junk") which didn't match the normal format, and the bot assumed it was part of your request. Since you then "declined" the vandalism, the bot archived yours as declined. I think.  Maybe.  Anyway, I've created the redirect for you.  If you want to report this to the bot operator, you can contact them here: User talk:RscprinterBot. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:38, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

How to ask a question?
2)	The photograph did not emerge, nor did the highlights? Underscored info (such as the links to publications and locations and individuals listed and underlined in blue) are not accessible. 3)	There does not appear to be a means to contact the author? If there are changes that Wikipedia review would desire (we assume) because this was started in your contact us/talk desk, there is no info about the author.

We would love to fix these things. Your best suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostinSpace01 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * My first suggestion would be that you tell us which article you are referring to. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Note that "the author" is not usually a meaningful concept with regard to Wikipedia articles, . If you pick the "History" tab, you can see a list of all the edits made to the article, with who made them and when. But to ask questions or enter discussion about the content of an article, the article's talk page is the best place. --ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Translation
Hello im trying to translate an article from spanish wikipedia named Mertin Aquino, el útimo matrero that is ready to publish here, Im doing it almost as an excersice but when i try to publish a warning pumps adverting me that im unable to publisg because the article is being filtered, also it says that if the article is constructive i should edit that filter on some way but im really not sure what to do. I think that as an excersise that it is, it is also constructive or at least innocuous. --Neurorebel (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Neurorebel. Please see Content translation tool. In short, only users who are in the extended confirmed user group – meaning having an account that is at least 30 days old and that has made at least 500 edits to the English Wikipedia – can use the content translation tool here. Because you are not in that group you are triggering an edit filter that blocks you from taking the action. For the reason for this restriction, please see Administrators' noticeboard/CXT. You are only 33 edits away from reaching the required threshold. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * there is still lot of way to go for me on the english version.

That is not fair if democratically dictated, isnt the article good enough? then why is not there a way that i can use it, i can understand the logic but the result is too restrictive as I have no way to to ask for publishing. Even I could copy write the entire code without the translator achievieng the self equal aricle end up published so whats the difference? --Neurorebel (talk) 23:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC) I now read a bunch of that crap, its a shame i did not participate on discussion: translator should not allow literal transposition of content, neither should be such a problem to delete those articles of which mine is not an example and even easier could it be to develop a bot that remove that kind of untranslated content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neurorebel (talk • contribs) 00:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)