Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 May 8

= May 8 =

Deletion of Lemenemene
Hi folks,

We as a Band posted a new article on Wikipedia, that was deleted, even after we posted our reason as to why it ought not to be deleted. We feel that we have been very unfairly treated and discriminated against.

The original user:meatsgains said we could contact him when he posted for our article to be removed, however upon going to his page, there is no way to be able to contact him.

Also the other user:Tavix deleted our Talk page without any response to our Talk Page message requesting that the article not be deleted.

Please review these things and get back to us asap.

Thank you kindly

Lemenemene Lemenemene (talk) 03:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Read the musical notability guidelines, the notability policy, and the the conflict of interest policy. You should not be trying to use Wikipedia to promote your band.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No independent verifiable sources, no evidence that it meets the notability guidelines, little meaningful content of any kind, just opinions. Your account name also contravenes our user name policy so I've blocked the account too Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the person using this account followed up by posting a series of nasty, vile and unimaginative vandalisms to their own talk page, before deleting it entirely. I've restored the pre-vandalism version, and blocked edit access to the talk page. --02:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)~

Navbox "collapse" setting not working
In this edit I added "state=collapsed" to Template:SA Army Units as it is a large navbox. However when I open pages where it is transcluded it is not collapsed. I'm not seeing why it's not working. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Your edit had no effect because there was another "state" parameter further down the template. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Attributing map/CC license
I want to use part of a map in an article. The map is an excerpt from one I downloaded from the McMaster University trench maps website and the CC license is shown on:

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/

I will say that the map is from McMaster. Should I just give the CC info in brackets in my caption?. Daveleicuk (talk) 10:08, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * you give the license when you upload the image, there's no need to repeat it in a caption when you use it in an article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Roger Daveleicuk (talk) 10:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I've now uploaded this map but I couldn't find a CC license when uploading to Wikimedia which matches the one required by McMaster University. They specify non-commercial and I can't find this option. Daveleicuk (talk) 11:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Daveleicuk, its not an option. Images on Wikipedia are free for any use: the image will have to be deleted unless it is old enough to be PD in the US. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:00, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

change the name of the article
Hi I have changed my article name from Emil_Meek to magomed bibulatov by using the pressing (alt-shift-m) on the move button; however, the article name remain the same. There is the link. Please help and thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Meek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semper liber (talk • contribs) 10:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Emil Meek existed as a redirect to Emil Weber Meek, which itself is a redirect to Magomed Bibulatov. the page move seems to have completed satisfactorily and the 'Weber' page is tagged for deletion as an office action following the move. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * However, having said that, there is no explanation or apparent reason for the move to Magomed Bibulatov and it seems the page is likely to be restored. Eagleash (talk) 10:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes the page move was a clear error (accident) and in the process of being moved back.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Guys, Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the correction. Semper liber (talk) 11:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The page I created need to be developed with the geoboxes
I was created an article named maveeran alagumuthu Kone. He was the freedom fighter of our country but he was not noted I included the needed citations in that page. I requests the administrators to review that page named "maveeran alagumuthu Kone" and make that article helpful because I don't know how to develop that article. Thank you Kanna000003 (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)kanna000003

same film?
Hello, is this the same film? Queryzo (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Bhaktha Prahlada (1942 film)
 * Bhakta Prahlada (1942 film)
 * Unlikely: they are in two different languages (which in itself could be achieved by dubbing, or shooting in multiple takes using the two languages alternately, which I believe has sometimes been done for European films*), but more importantly they have completely different personnel (Director, Actors etc).
 * Moreover, the second article (in the order above) states "This is the second movie of the same story with more advanced technicians", which suggests that the other one was the earlier film and was shot independently.
 * There has been at least one instance of two films being shot on the same sets with entirely different personnel and equipment* (I'm thinking of an early horror film in which one crew used the sets during the day and another at night, whose title I can't remember). It's possible that this happened with these two films, but you'd have to watch both of them to see if that is a possibility.
 * * There ought to be established film-making terms for these procedures, but I haven't been able to find them through the Film Portal. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.60.183 (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Multiple-language version film. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also The Most Dangerous Game used King Kong's sets at night. Fay Wray and Robert Armstrong must have gotten awfully tired starring in both. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those answers, Clarityfiend. Actually, THDG/KK wasn't the example I was thinking of – it may have been Drácula (1931 Spanish-language film); I know I read an article about it in Fortean Times sometime in the last year.
 * So there are several possible versions of this trick:
 * (i) The same cast and crew perform/film the same story in two (or more?) different languages in separate takes on the same set (would require a multilingual cast);
 * (ii) Different casts (and possibly different crews) perform(/film) the same story in different languages on the same set;
 * (iii) The same cast and crew (or a different crew) perform/film different stories on the same set;
 * (iv) Different casts and crews perform different stories on the same set.
 * (v +) Various blends of the above.
 * With reference to the Queryzo's original query, I notice that those films are not included in the article List of multilingual Indian films (although it's stated to be incomplete). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.60.183 (talk) 12:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

doubled-up entries in contribution history
I've just noticed that a big chunk of my edits appear twice in my contributions list. It appears to be a very specific cut-off - I made an edit at 2027h 4th September 2015 which only appears once, but then the next edit made at 2029h 4th September appears twice - and this continues up until 23rd August 2016.

They only appear once in the article history though, so I presume it's an error in retrieving the data? Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's weird! Easy links to see this spanning date it stops.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

How do I change my username?
I need help with the site Smile Farms Inc, but it has the username SmileFarms2017. But, no one an find the page because it has a different title and username.

I need to know how to edit the username so that I can make the username the same as the title. I want our new username to be Smile Farms Inc.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmileFarms2017 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * First of all, you seem to be confused as to the difference between a username, which is a name to identify you and an article title, which is the name of an article in this encyclopedia. Right now your username is SmileFarms2017, and I gather you want to write an article about a company called Smile Farms Inc.  I assume you work for Smile Farms Inc.  First of all, your username should be a name to identify you not your employer, so if your name is Joe, then something like JoeSmileFarms might work; or Joe12345 or JoeSmith.  If Wikipedia were to have an article about Smile Farms, it would be at a title like Smile Farms, or Smile Farms Inc.  However, assuming you work at Smile Farms, I have to advise you that it's a bad idea for you to write an article about Smile Farms.  Read this guideline on managing a conflict of interest to see why.  If we already had an article about Smile Farms, and there were errors in it, you would be welcome to point them out on the talk page so that they could be fixed, but we'd really prefer employees not write articles about the companies they work for.
 * As for how to change your username, that can be done by following the instructions at Changing username. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The idea that a username and an article title should be related seems to be one that is raised every now and then. I don't think that there is any particular reason, and so there may not be any way that we, the Wikipedia community, can avoid new users making this mistake.  However, occasionally new editors seem to think that the two are the same, and that when they register a username it should be the name of the one article that they want to contribute.  It sometimes results in conflict of interest names, as in this case, and sometimes results in the problem that the username is that of a real person and the user behind the username is someone else.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe there is a way to circumvent this problem. I made a proposal to solve it which unfortunately hasn't gained sufficient traction. User_naming_convention_proposal-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

2017–18 NCAA Football Bowl Games Template
Hey Guys I Made a College Football Bowl Game Template can you Transfer this Template from the talk page to Draft Page please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:9DC6:8169:C9CA:ABBE (talk) 16:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Moved to Template:2017 bowl game navbox.  In the future, you can create an account and then you can just create templates in the template name space yourself.  -- Jayron 32 16:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank You very much Jayron. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:9DC6:8169:C9CA:ABBE (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

how to change Bridgeport fire department Wikipedia page
how to change Bridgeport Fire Department Wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.81.109.129 (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It would help if you would be more specific. What needs to be changed and what problems are you having changing it? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Noni Jabavu
Hi, I am trying to contact the author of the entry on the writer Noni Jabavu. I am particularly interested in one of the sources quoted in the article (Memoirs for Ian) and if/how it can be obtained. Thank you. m.oralekATseznam.cz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff-mila (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * An unpublished reference. Interesting.
 * Wikipedia articles are collaborative works with multiple authors. The source in question was first referenced by User:JMiall. (this edit)
 * I have dropped a note on that editor's talk page, so hopefully they'll come here to assist.
 * ApLundell (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, Well giving an unpublished reference is better than giving no reference isn't it? Anyway 'Memoirs for Ian' was written by Nancy Scott before she died. I only have some of the chapters of it but I should be able to obtain the others and forward to Jeff Mila if email is enabled etc. Possibly it could all be put on a website but that would require getting some relatives' permission. JMiall  ₰  23:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No, actually, not for a Wikipedia article. From our point of view an unpublished reference is exactly the same as no reference at all, and will normally be removed by later editors. See WP:V and WP:RS, in both of which it is stressed that sources must be published. DES (talk) 02:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And somebody is welcome to delete the information, as with any other bit of wikipedia, if they can improve the article by doing so. The reason I say that it is better is a) that anyone can immediately read that it is unpublished and so judge the reliability for themselves b) that it has enabled Jeff Mila to ask a question about the source and hopefully with a bit of work we'll end up with it being published and him finding something useful for his research. JMiall  ₰  07:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

How do you end RFCs?
I started an rfc that appears to have gone nowhere. However i don't how to end it. It's right here if you want to take a look Talk:United States presidential election, 2020 Crewcamel (talk) 22:16, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello . If you are referring to the Rfc of Jeremy Gable, you started it around ten days ago. The Rfc has seen both support and oppose views. Let it continue for a fortnight more or even a month or so before posting a request at WP:AN for a formal closure. Thanks. Lourdes  01:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Crewcamel - If you mean the one about Jeremy Gable, I don't see why you say that it has gone nowhere. It has gotten a few responses and still has about three weeks to run.  You can withdraw an RFC, but I don't see why you want to withdraw it.  Also, it appears that you top-posted it, added it at the top of the talk page rather than the bottom.  Just let the RFC run.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * okay. Ill take your advice and leave it alone for awhile Crewcamel (talk) 05:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Attempting to change article photo
The current article has a team crest thats about 4 years out of date. I was attempting to upload the current crest in the visual editor and it kept telling me that it can't be verified. I am the team GM and I own the copyright on the crest design. I cannot figure out how to link it in the "regular" editor. How can I change the photo to one thats more current?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tulsaspirit (talk • contribs) 22:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You can always file a request at WP:Files for upload and I'll take a look at it. --Majora (talk) 22:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You will need to release the photo under a licence that allows reuse not just for Wikipedia but for any purpose. If you are willing to do that, then you should upload the photo to Commons and then you can put it in the article.   See WP:DCM for more details and a link to the upload page.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * 's advice is appropriate for images in general, . However, logos and badges are often uploaded under Fair Use. As long as the image and the way it is used satisfy all the criteria in WP:NFCC, then permission is not required and cannot be given. It must be uploaded as a non-free image to Wikipedia (not to Commons). --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)