Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 November 4

= November 4 =

Race of Mud
hey I tried updating some information about my favorite underground band from my Country and I typed in several times the right captcha words but still I got a new one so I cannot save. Is this because I am using an iphone 6S? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binkabi313 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I do not know what the problem is with your captcha. But I will say that a new account (that has not yet existed for 4 days and made 10 edits) is not able to create a new page in article space directly; and in any case, before you attempt the really quite difficult task of creating a new article, I strongly suggest you read and study the essay your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Make sure that when you've typed in the requested CAPTCHA word you're then scrolling down to the bottom of the edit window and clicking the 'Save Changes' button. Particularly on a restricted screen, it's easy (because I've done it myself) to forget and instead click the 'refresh' link immediately to the right of the CAPTCHA entry box – as you probably know, the purpose of this is to call up a new CAPTCHA image to copy-type when you can't read the one offered, so you can do this (and practice your CAPTCHA-reading skills) all night without actually asking the edit to be saved. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.138.27 (talk) 00:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford
Ref number 3 is new but appears to be in red. Please fix and thanks. Signed - 120.150.115.66 (talk) 01:10, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No it's definitely in red, because November was misspelled. And of course the publisher is not "© 2017 Name Origin Research. All rights reserved". Eagleash (talk) 01:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Why are you consistently using access dates of exactly 2 years ago in your citations? Are you really using information that you looked at exactly 2 years ago and have not looked at since.  If you are putting in 2015 dates and the information you are using was not at that URL in 2015 but was there in 2017, it will hinder anyone trying to resolve dead URLs in future. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Image being used is not correct
To whom it may concern and who can please help correct Wikipedia page for Shane Niemi.

The image posted with Canadian athlete Shane Niemi is incorrect. The image posted is actually of my son, Shane Niemi a singer songwriter from Los Angeles CA. For reference and confirmation of image being my son who is in his 20s can be found at www.iamnotshane.com - and all shane’s social media links for reference are listed there.

The reason we’re asking this image to be removed is because it’s causing major confusion with fans and record labels.

Thank you for your help!

Joe Niemi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeniemi (talk • contribs) 05:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello; there is no image in the Wikipedia page for Shane Niemi, and has not been for as far as I went back in the edit history. If you are referring to the results of a Google search, where an image is displayed, Wikipedia has no connection with what appears there, although the way Google shows its results often implies that it is taken from Wiki. There is a feedback link at the bottom of the panel where the image is displayed. On another note a portion of the Wikipedia article about the athlete was recently blanked bu an anonymous user. If it was you, please don't do this without fully explaining your reasons as it could be considered unconstructive at best and lead to the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 07:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Changing username and old signatures on talk pages
Hi all, I am thinking of changing my username (a common first name) to something less obvious. I also have another account (which is my real name) that was renamed to my current username, but somehow along the way I accidentally recreated it and made a few edits with it, so I am also going to rename it to something like "NewUsername2" to protect my privacy.

Is it acceptable to change my old signatures on talk pages (including on archived talk pages), while linking them to the new user page, for privacy purposes? I am aware that it will still be present in the page history, but at least it won't show up on the page via a Google search.

-- Joshua Talk to me What I've done? 05:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I’m pretty sure you can purge stuff from the eyes of many (except admins and Wayback Machine thingies since it’s inevitable) by kindly asking an admin to help (to be honest I don’t know how, via email or talk or Admin’s Noticeboard), but if you only had a few times you had to sign with that alt, you can probably just edit the pages. I don’t know if it’s allowed, but I think it is. Ask the experts here first (or just tell an admin to purge said signature to replace it with the new one). SoaPuffball (talk) 08:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . First of all, you can redirect your user and user talk pages from the old username to the new username (I think but am not sure it happens automatically after a WP:RENAME), which would take care of people trying to find you from the old signature.
 * However, if I understand correctly, your problem is to not have your old signature with your username in Google searches. I am not sure this is permissible under the current policy for multiple reasons, though none of those may be a stopping point.
 * The biggest problem I see is practical: if someone in a talk page references you by your old username, changing your previously-written sig will make it confusing; and even if you were allowed to change such mentions (which I believe is not a breach of the spirit of WP:TPG, but it is probably a breach of the letter), you cannot really track them down thoroughly (someone might say on page A that "Oldusername on page B (link) said that..." and you do not even know page A existed; mentions can contain typos or abbreviations of your old username, etc.) Maybe you could ask at WT:TPG whether your proposed changes are acceptable.
 * Also, per WP:SOCKLEGIT, you would possibly need to link the usernames both ways, which would probably defeat the purpose. I suggest you ask at WT:SOCK about that point (since the present situation is a case where you have a good reason not to link usernames).
 * Finally, assuming you made more than a few (say <50) posts, you should consider using a WP:BOT to do it. With or without it, this task would likely require approval at WP:BRFA. (Manual editing, if it is done too quickly, must obey the rules for automated editing, the basic reason being that there is no way to catch unapproved bot users otherwise.) If you get a stamp of approval for the rest, this stage should not be an issue, but it might publicize your username change. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:38, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Josh. I'll weigh in with a touch of experience in this area. Once you've used your real name on wiki, the only real way to ensure privacy is a clean start (see Clean start). But even this is likely to cause some problems and have a transition period, where other users will need to "learn to trust" a brand new account that has fairly extensive knowledge of policy. A simple name change also has a transition period that passes fairly quickly (a few weeks) depending on how active you are.
 * I don't think anyone would raise a stink about you changing old signatures for privacy reasons, and it actually makes you easier to reach, since pings won't go through if someone pings your old name. But the problem is that in order to avoid raising eyebrows, you would probably need to leave a clear edit summary that itself would still tie you back to your old user name publicly.  G M G  talk   13:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Should the lang template be used also for proper names, like names of people?
In the article Association of Academies of the Spanish Language I added lang templates, and some of them were for Spanish names of people because I thought that the screen reader then would pronounce the names properly, but another editor deleted the templates from the names of people. I disagree with him because as mentioned above I thought the screen reader would pronounce them properly with the template but I'm kind of new using those templates so I don't know if I was mistaken in the use I gave to the template or the other editor was mistaken in deleting them. Can you guys provide some guidance? Thinker78 (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC) edited 02:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I need someone to give me the 50 DYK?s medal
Basically, I need someone to please give me the 50 DYK?s medal. Indeed, I don't want to give it to myself and I already have enough DYK? nominations to get this medal: User:Futurist110/DYK (also, see here: User_talk:Futurist110). Futurist110 (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Basically, you shouldn't have needed to ask; I, or any other editor, would have anyway given this to you any of these days. Your contributions are without doubt exemplary. Thank you for making the project significantly better with your article contributions. Hope you keep this up. Your medal is already there on your talk page. Warmly,  Lourdes  04:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Declined post
Hello, My post on IGR-IAE School has been declined for the reason being verifiable references are missing.

But I attached several links as reference : - from the School : http://www.igr.univ-rennes1.fr/en - from the Public University it belongs to : https://international.univ-rennes1.fr/ - from well-known national French newspapers and websites: https://www.capital.fr/votre-carriere/finance-tresorerie-igr-iae-de-rennes-480286 http://www.letudiant.fr/etudes/annuaire-enseignement-superieur/etablissement/etablissement-ecole-universitaire-de-management-9320.html http://meilleurs-masters.com/master-ingenierie-financiere-et-finance-d-entreprise/igr-iae-rennes-master-ii-analyse-et-strategie-financiere.html http://www.ecoles2commerce.com/ecoles/iae-rennes https://fr-fr.facebook.com/IGR-IAE-de-Rennes-236544684005/ https://www.challenges.fr/emploi/formation/universites-15-masters-de-gestion-management-et-finance-reputes_29118

Also please note the School is in many Wikipedia articles in French/English : - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_d%27administration_des_entreprises_de_Rennes_%E2%80%94_Institut_de_gestion_de_Rennes - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_d'administration_des_entreprises - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facult%C3%A9_de_sciences_%C3%A9conomiques_de_Rennes_1 - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Score_IAE_Message - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_d%27Administration_des_Entreprises

Can you please explain me what I missed ?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAN75 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The draft at Draft:IGR-IAE includes none of those, just a link to the school's website itself. Did you put the references somewhere else by mistake? Nanonic (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Using Wikidata in convert-module
How can wikidata be used in the convert-module?

before:  width = 1.79 m

after:  width = m in   <<-- did not work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elefantikus (talk • contribs) 20:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * → undefined mm
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

How to change a page title
I need to change the page title for the present "Fair Deal Cafe" wikipedia page to "Charlie Hall's Original Fair Deal Cafe". My client owns the Fair Deal Cafe in Omaha, Nebraska. Facebook has created a community page called "Fair Deal Cafe" pulling from the public wikipedia site which is what brought it to my attention. FAcebook is telling me that because the public page is up/open that they have the right to do so; even though they are using copyrighted material from my client's business (logo, pictures, address, web AND shows up in first position when people are in my client's actual restaurant to "check in" that they are actually checking in and liking the community page. This has been a nightmare to try and get the "historical" content showing correctly and the present day business separated.  Because Facebook is drawing from the public wikipedia page; I need to start here with editing it.  I"ve edited the body writing, but don't see how to edit the page title.  I also have historical pictures which can be uploaded to the historical wikipedia page; but I don't know how to do that either.  Sorry, my first experience with  wikipedia.  Learning though!  thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingtutter (talk • contribs) 22:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved and your talkpage has information about images. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The cafe's official and common name seem to just be Fair Deal Cafe. All the sources on the page support that, and a search for the long name turns up nothing. If you're trying to separate the historic cafe from the new one, there are better ways to go about that, and if you're doing this so the Facebook page is corrected, again this is not the way to do that. Crow  Caw  22:17, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That may have been premature... Crow  Caw  22:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It was reverted by . --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I note that you have a WP:Conflict of interest in this article, and that you have not yet declared your WP:Paid status as required by our terms. I'd advise that the best policy, in view of your connections with the subject, would be to suggest changes on the talk page of the article. Neither Wikipedia nor Facebook has any right to use copyright material, and if you find any in our article, just remove it, explaining why in your edit summary. Wikipedia has no control over Facebook, and little interest in what subjects of an article would prefer, but we do care about copyright and accuracy.  D b f i r s   22:20, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have moved it back again. Wikipedia's policy for article names is to use the name by which published sources usually refer to the subject, e.g. Newt Gingrich not Newton Leroy Gingrich. I find that none of the sources cited in Fair Deal Cafe call it "Charlie Hall's Original Fair Deal Cafe", while some of them call it "Fair Deal Cafe". As for your discussion with Facebook – if you believe that there is material in the Wikipedia article which is in breach of your copyright, please let us know, and we will remove it. Maproom (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2017 (UTC)