Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 November 5

= November 5 =

2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season
Can You Move The 2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season from the talk page to the draft page please. I Would Accept it. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * this? There is no substance currently. C T F 8 3 !   04:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

How to use Template:Proposed deletion/dated?
I've just proposed Ohbabynames for deletion, using ,with "subst" as described in its documentation. I did not use proposed deletion/dated, in part because I did not know of it before using the parent template, and in part because there's no documentation of how it's connected to its parent. Why use one instead of the other? What's the difference in effect?

'''THE NEXT SECTION HEADING IS AN UNAVOIDABLE RESULT OF THE TEMPLATE I AM DEMONSTRATING. PLEASE DO NOT EDIT IT.'''



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Proposed deletion of Ohbabynames
'''THE SECTION HEADING JUST ABOVE IS AN UNAVOIDABLE RESULT OF THE TEMPLATE I AM DEMONSTRATING. PLEASE DO NOT EDIT IT.'''

The article Ohbabynames has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "The subject is not notable as far as the article shows: all the references are either to its own domain, or to sites that list domains or domain information. The article itself is both promotional and an orphan."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

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The text and layout are different, but they both suggest notifying the creator of the page and neither one is dated. What's the point of having them both?

Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 05:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * there are three ways to try to get an article deleted. They are Speedy Deletion, Proposed Deletion, and Article for Deletion. The documentation could certainly be more helpful in guiding editors on which one to apply. Maproom (talk) 08:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Your use of the proposed deletion/dated template here looks correct, but won't actually work because the  parameter is missing; without it, there's nothing to track the seven day waiting period, and no administrator will actually get round to looking at the article and deleting it. The proposed deletion template is designed to be much easier to use, as it arranges for the user name and timestamp to be filled in correctly. The formatting of proposed deletion and proposed deletion notify is different because one is intended to be placed at the top of the article, and the other is intended to be placed as a notification on an editor's talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have tried to clarify the documentation for Proposed deletion/dated without adding too many details.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposed_deletion/dated/doc&diff=808818287&oldid=701791514] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Better yet: Merge these two templates, just like orfurrev and Orphaned non-free revisions were merged, &#123;&#123;repeat&#124;p&#124;3&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 13:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * John, you write
 * Your use of the proposed deletion/dated template here looks correct, but won't actually work because the  parameter is missing; ...
 * Begging your pardon, but what  parameter? The word "timestamp" appears exactly once in Template:Proposed_deletion/dated/doc:
 * should not be added manually; should be used instead in order to automatically include a timestamp.
 * In other words, don't use the "dated" template directly, because it won't date the output. This is bizong wako.
 * --Thnidu (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the timestamp parameter. It all happens automatically when you just follow the simple intructions to use . I did that on Ohbabynames yesterday and after saving it said . The parameter is undocumented because users should never write it and don't need to know how it works. Many subtemplates have undocumented parameters which only need to be known by editors of the parent template. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the timestamp parameter. It all happens automatically when you just follow the simple intructions to use . I did that on Ohbabynames yesterday and after saving it said . The parameter is undocumented because users should never write it and don't need to know how it works. Many subtemplates have undocumented parameters which only need to be known by editors of the parent template. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

editing a celebrity page
I want to add a picture to his wikipedia page because it doesn't have any and also want to add his instagram account. How can i do it. Since I am new to this, I need help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayabzamm (talk • contribs) 06:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, see Uploading images for a guide to the image upload process and establishing the correct copyright status of the image you wish to add. To add an Instagram account as an external link, you can use Template:Instagram to easily add it. Hope this helps. Kosack (talk) 08:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * , as a piece of general advice, when you ask a question here or elsewhere on Wikipedia, you'll get much better results by giving as much information as you can; in this case, the name of the article, preferably linked. In fact it wasn't necessary here, but it generally helps. --Thnidu (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

How to create business page in wikipedia?
Hi,

I want to create a business page in Wikipedia, is there any page that can help me on step by step?

Please help me with rules also.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.5.133.9 (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Business pages are not encyclopedic. Create one instead on on Facebook, Inlinketc., but not on Wikipedia . Aspro (talk) 18:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Indeed. There is no such thing as a "business page" on Wikipedia, any more than there are "profiles". What we do have is articles, about notable businesses and many other subjects. These are (or should be) neutrally-written summaries of what sources completely unconnected with the subject have published about them. --ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding a link to a foreign-language article
I have been trying to add a link to the Italian-language version of the article Istituto Italiano di Antropologia to the article Journal of Anthropological Sciences, and I was hoping to get it to display "it" and then take you to the Italian Wikipedia page when you click on this. I've seen this on many pages before but I can't figure out how to do it. I thought there should be some sort of template to use but I can't find it. Can someone help me do this? Everymorning (talk) 20:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I see "Add links" under "Languages" in the left pane of Journal of Anthropological Sciences. Do you see that? See more at Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * "Add links" under "Languages" is for articles on the same subject, but in this case I think the OP is probably looking for ill. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, this is in fact just what I was looking for. Everymorning (talk) 21:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Comet Ping Pong
Greenwood served as the chef of both restaurants;[7] she left her position as executive chef and co-owner in 2006 citing urgent family matters and other personal interests.[8][9]

The footnotes state that Greenwood left in June of 2009. The date of 2006 should be changed to 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.49.243 (talk) 21:04, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I have corrected it, but Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit" so you could have done so yourself. Thanks for pointing out the error. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Date format in reftoolbar
I edit with the source editor, and always use MM/DD/YYYY format. I use citation templates from the reftoolbar, which fills out the access date automatically with one click and does so in DD/MM/YYYY format. Usually, someone eventually changes the format in the citations to match the rest of the article with a script or something. Is there a way to specify the format up front to eliminate this extra work and clutter to the revision history, etc. MB 21:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm not an expert on dates, but as per MOS:DATEFORMAT, both the usages you have mentioned above – MM/DD/YYYY and DD/MM/YYYY – are unacceptable in articles or in citations. The only numeric date format acceptable throughout any article is yyyy-mm-dd. Therefore I don't believe there's any need to specify the format up front, as it is universally already defined. Thanks.  Lourdes  09:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree. DD/MM/YY and MM/DD/YY dates are ambiguous e.g. 07/11/17 could mean 7 November or July 11. I'd recommend using date like November 7 2017, as that's unambiguous. Joseph2302 (talk)
 * The format is either November 7, 2017 (with a comma) or 7 November 2017, see MOS:DATEFORMAT. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was unclear. I meant that when I manually add dates, I write November 7, 2017. But when I use the the tool, it adds the date as 7 November 2007. This leads to inconsistent format within the article per MOS:DATEUNIFY. MB 14:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The responsibility for ensuring that the date format that write matches the date format used in the article is .  Use the date format already established in the article so that no one has to cleanup after you, so that there is no extra work, so that there is no cluttered revision history.  Do this as a courtesy to other editors and to our readers.  Yeah, it would be nice if there were a date-format-selector radio button in WP:REFTOOLBAR (people have asked).
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know all this. I was asking how to change the date format used by REFTOOLBAR. Apparently, there isn't according to your last reply. MB 15:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is. Add this to User:MB/common.js:

// change reftoolbar access-date date format to mdy $('head').one('reftoolbarbase', function {  CiteTB.UserOptions['date format'] = " , ";   CiteTB.UserOptions['autodate fields'] = ['accessdate']; });
 * But, that still doesn't solve the problem when the article uses dmy dates; you are still responsible for making the dates that you write (including the dates that RefToolBar auto-fills) agree with the article's date format.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That was what I was looking for. Nearly all the citations I add are to articles I create, and they are usually about topics were mdy is appropriate. So this does indeed solve the problem for me. MB 03:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Rugby logo
Hello,

I need to change the logo/file that appears on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Portugal_Rugby.svg because that's not the right logo from Portuguese rugby union anymore. So I would like to change it but I can't figure out how. Can you Help me ? Thanks PortugalRugby (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure there’s a way to update it via WikiCommons, I don’t know where though. But please make sure your image is high quality, not a real image (it should be a logo, not a photo with the logo) and that said image isn’t copyrighted (to be honest I don’t know if that applies) . ~ SoaPuffball (talk) 12:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Please ignore the above wrong reply from a new user and wait for a more experienced user. The image is not from Wikimedia Commons and it cannot be replaced by new users. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Most logos are copyrighted, so not acceptable for Wikimedia Commons. They can be used as non-free content with an appropriate justification, see WP:Logos. Note also that they must be low-resolution, not as stated by SoaPuffball. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Images
Hello,

Please see the last revert made on the article Canada and come to discuss it on Talk:Canada.

Thanks

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 23:38, 5 November 2017 (UTC)