Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 October 14

= October 14 =

Sir Edward Bullock
Please place the dots under the letter "C" to mean "circa" in the picture box. I cannot do this Thanks120.150.115.66 (talk) 00:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of dots under the letter. Can you point to an example?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The question probably relates to the template circa.
 * → (c. 1580 - 1644)
 * → (c. 1580)
 * Johnuniq (talk) 01:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Bullock family
Can the dots under the  letter "C"  (circa)  also be placed in the pic of Sir Edward Bullock on the Bullock family page. This should also be done (please) on the pic of Sir Edward on his own page - Sir Edward Bullock. Thanks 101.182.55.173 (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it can be. † dismas †|(talk) 03:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Multiple reverts of non-vandalistic edits needed
I was reading the entry for the film Hobo with a Shotgun. There are a number of recent edits to the page (from a single user) that are ungrammatical and/or unnecessary. More than three. I checked the user's page (88.190.17.40) and randomly looked at edits to other pages they have made. There are many other examples of ungrammatical or unnecessary edits by the user that make the pages in question less good. I think the user is a well-intentioned young person in France that speaks English better than I speak French, but not well enough to edit English Wikipedia articles. I don't see how I can fix them without exceeding the three-revert rule. I also think the user could use some guidance from an expert Wikipedian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.224.41 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Just to explain, multiple undos in a group, such as you are taling about, constitute one revert. To quote WP:3RR: "A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert."
 * 3RR applies to back-and-forth edits. X edits, Y reverts. X tries again, Y reverts.  X tries a third time, Y reverts.  At this point, Y has hit the 3RR limit and needs to ask another editor for help.
 * Another thing you can do, if the edits to be undone are all the most recent edits, then pull up the last good version, edit that and, after reading the big warning, save with an appropriate edit message. 104.153.72.218 (talk) 10:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear explanation. Quite a sensible rule. I appreciate the help!--173.22.224.41 (talk) 08:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Sonia Rosemary Keppel
Please place the accent over the word nee in the picture. Thanks 101.182.55.173 (talk) 05:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ already, by an unregistered editor. Maproom (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Library Public Domain
According to Books from 1923 to 1941 Now Liberated! and Creating a Last Twenty (L20) Collection: Implementing Section 108(H) in Libraries, Archives and Museums certain books from 1923 to 1941 are now "Library Public Domain" and the Internet Archive has declared itself to be a library under the definition of the law. Is Wikisource a library under this law? Wikibooks? Wikipedia? Wikimedia Commons? --Guy Macon (talk) 05:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe ask at WP:Media copyright questions? Because it's a novel and "creative" legal argument, I guess it would take lawyers getting involved, and it's not unimaginable that the Internet Archive would actually ask WMF to hold off to prevent the public appearance of a stampede through a loophole. 104.153.72.218 (talk) 11:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Media copyright questions --Guy Macon (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Sonia Rosemary Keppel
When I try to do an accent on  the word "nee" in the caption underneath the picture of the lady,  I fail. Please help. Thanks 2001:8003:4F57:7700:95E7:784:E5C8:99B6 (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. One way is to copy and paste "née" from here, or from any article which uses it. Maproom (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ... which is among the advice given at User talk:Srbernadette, and of course you made an offer at User talk:Srbernadette. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are using Windows, you can also enter the "é" by pressing the Alt key and then entering 130 in the numeric keyboard. –FlyingAce✈hello 20:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

reference error
can someone fix my reference error on this page? Ramesty (talk) 14:51, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Do the help links in the error messages not explain why you are seeing those error messages and how the template may be fixed?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * with this edit. If you have not already done so, please see WP:REFB for a basic guide to correctly adding references. Also WP:RS in respect of acceptable sources. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I just didn't have time to fix it.Ramesty (talk) 01:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Use and naming of article-specific templates
(Relist; previous request got no response.)

In Special:Diff/804328730, I converted the rows of a large table full of numbers in CAS latency to use helper templates to ensure the computation and formatting is consistent: Draft:CAS latency group and Draft:CAS latency row. I wonder if I did a reasonable job with the templates. In particular, how should such single-purpose templates be named? Is the Template: namespace even the right one?

Are the names okay? Documentation needs improvement? Any other comments? (Does this spreadsheet even belong in Wikipedia?)

The one thing I'm sure of is that a mainspace article shouldn't depend on draft-space templates in the long term, but where should they be moved to?

I could eliminate the "thirds" argument and derive it from the last digit of the frequency using but is it worth the complexity?

I've never done this sort of thing before, so I'd like to solicit review. 104.153.72.218 (talk) 16:04, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It looks good. Article space does not have subpages so they should definitely be in template space. IP's cannot create pages there. I have moved them to Template:CAS latency/group and Template:CAS latency/row to hint the connection to CAS latency. I have updated the article to use them directly. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Infobox question
What have I done wrong on Abigail Smith that the thesis title and link aren't displaying in the infobox? Stuartyeates (talk) 19:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed/Fudged for now. Looks like  doesn't work anymore and the docs haven't been updated. - X201 (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Invisible characters causing corruption
The lead of Qadir Bux Bedil displays (1873-1815) as birth/death which should be reversed. I can't correct this because something in the preceding template with the Sindi language text is affecting the dates. If I try to highlight the Sindi text, I notice some funny behavior which leads me to believe there are some invisible characters in there causing trouble. MB 19:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Ruslik_ Zero 19:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And I have made an edit to hopefully prevent editors from swapping the years again.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qadir_Bux_Bedil&diff=805349853&oldid=805349165] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

can't rename
I'm trying to move Kraft Foods Inc to Kraft Foods Inc., but it won't let me. Is that because there's already a redirect at Kraft Foods Inc. that'll have to be deleted first? —Steve Summit (talk) 22:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the redirect Kraft Foods Inc. has a history so the move needs to be requested. See WP:RM. Johnuniq (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Unless there is some special reason, the article should be called Kraft Foods, . See WP:NCCORP. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought, but Kraft Foods exists and describes a significantly different incarnation of the company. See the dab note there.  I don't have the energy to disentangle all that and figure out a better way of disambiguating it, but in the meantime I figured I could at least fix the the punctuation in the current scheme. —Steve Summit (talk) 01:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have moved it. Per WP:MOR only administrators can move over a redirect with other history than redirecting to the source of the move. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC)