Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 October 15

= October 15 =

Canadian Encyclopedia
Dear editors: For the last while I have been repairing dead links in Wikipedia articles to articles in the Canadian Encyclopedia, which rearranged a lot of its URLs some time ago. I am about halfway through this, and all was going well until a couple of days ago. Now every link that I click on leads to an empty page (for example, this link to the Orpheum Theatre). Has something happened to the encyclopedia? Or is my Firefox browser malfunctioning somehow? I am not getting any error messages, just white space.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:34, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure why its down...I get HTTP ERROR 504....but when i find these links I replace them with  ....that never changes....I use the Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books after  searching for the topic and finding the page Dont waste your time with the website.....changes ever 4 years or so.--Moxy (talk) 04:58, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, how have you been doing? It seems to be just a temporary server error. Wait for a couple of days probably. Thanks.  Lourdes  05:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and .  That's a good idea to use the book version, at least for some of the older articles.  I hope you're right that it's just temporary.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:32, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , the site is still down. The last article updated on the site was of Craig Kielburger, on 10 October. If you want, you can write to the editorial department of the encyclopedia (which is based out of Historica Canada's offices) at Editorial@HistoricaCanada.ca. Thanks.  Lourdes  16:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The Canadian Encyclopedia is experiencing technical difficulties. We're working to fix the issue as soon as possible. Our team of editors is here to help with your research questions. Email editorial@historicacanada.ca or respond.......--Moxy (talk) 11:37, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikinews
Are Wikinews articles considered reliable sources for Wikipedia? Benjamin (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, hope you're well. As per WP:Wikinews, the relevant Wikipedia policy guiding usage of Wikinews is Verifiability. Thanks.  Lourdes  05:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Has Wikinews ever been cited on Wikipedia? Why is it considered self published if it has peer review and meets the requirements to be included in Google News? Is it really safe to assume that the mainstream media reports on everything worth reporting on? (Surely, this must have been discussed at length before?) Benjamin (talk) 06:14, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Benjamin, collaborative journalism has its drawbacks. In my opinion, the categorization of Wikinews as an SPS is appropriate. However, in case you wish a definitive judgement on this, I'd suggest you may consider taking this up as an RFC at the RSN. Please feel free to ask any further clarification. Warmly.  Lourdes  06:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Location map
Hello, I need some help regarding creating a new location map and after checking out the template page, I am a bit confused on how to do it. Is there a tutorial on this matter? I am looking to create a location map for the seven geographical regions of Turkey. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (Central Data Bank (talk) 12:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC))
 * I urge you to check out Graphics Lab, especially the map workshop. They may do it for you, or offer to help you.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If you mean the kind of location maps that display pinpoints with coordinates, you'll need more than just the map image. You need to code (in lua) the coordinates that delineate the edge of the map. Unless you know lua, you can ask for it to be done here: Wikipedia talk:Lua. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:52, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

The barnstar I awarded got messed up!
at User_talk:Richard_Avery I awarded him a barnstar, but now there's a new edit ("Laverstock Ford"), and it got included in the barnstar box! Can anyone inform me of the correct code to "close" my barnstar, and have the new additions not included in it? I'm sure it's some very simple piece of code, I just don't know what the code is! Thanks Eliyohub (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The barnstar should have ended with an "end of table" marker, . I can't tell what went wrong, but I've added it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

How to put a name on deaths in 2017
How to put a name on deaths in 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wangarano (talk • contribs) 17:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Deaths in 2017 has been semi-protected so your account cannot edit it until it becomes autoconfirmed. Instead you can click the "View source" tab and follow the instructions to submit an edit request. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Removing PR from list after review
About a month ago I put up a peer review for an article I was working on (Peer_review/Solar_eclipse_of_May_20,_2012/archive1). I've decided to take it down after putting the article up for GAR (from a suggestion by another user), as it also is a source of advice. To help keep the backlog clear, how can I archive the page? Codyorb (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please, see Peer_review/guidelines. Ruslik_ Zero 19:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Codyorb (talk) 04:17, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Discerning status of submitted drafts; making sure these are reaching correct Dept. for review and approval, thank you.
Hello Wikipedia community, editors, staff and volunteers,

This question is about an article which was carefully drafted according to the standards for notable persons about 5 weeks ago. It has yet to be reviewed or to receive any replies.

I'd like to make sure I've submitted it properly and to learn anything I can do to have this process expedited or at least authenticated by one of the authorized Wikipedia editors. Understood that the staff is very busy and although the 4 day standard is the minimum, one may need to be patient for much longer in order to have the article reviewed and addressed.

Thanks very much for your assistance.

Wikipedia: Robert Bery, International Fine Artist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Robert_Bery,_International_Fine_Artist — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICaplan (talk • contribs) 19:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All draft articles are reviewed by volunteers. We do not have any staff or departments for that matter. So, you need to wait a bit longer. Ruslik_ Zero 19:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, the draft was not actually submitted, I have just done so on your behalf. By the way, there are no staff here, only volunteer editors. The WMF staff run the servers and maintain the software, they do not work on content. (I don't understand what you mean by "4 day standard", it's actually more like four weeks, but you may get lucky with a quick review now that it is properly submitted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * (x2) Hello, to correctly submit the page for review, you should place  at the top of the draft. I have fixed some style &/or reference errors and another editor has added the submission notice. Review could take some time...there's usually quite a backlog. The title of the article should just be 'Robert Bery' as the disambiguation is only necessary if there is someone of the same name with a Wiki article. This will probably be fixed on review. Eagleash (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Article to edit?
Hello i just need assistance choosing and editing an article. Everything is super confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcesaire (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Dcesaire. Like al other users, you have a "talk page." A helpful editor has placed some information on your talk page to answer just this question, and that editor has offered to help you. To access your talk page, just click this blue link --> User talk:Dcesaire. -Arch dude (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, take a look at the Community portal, there are several different suggestions in the "Help out" section. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Citing a radio programme
Can someone please help me with citations to a radio broadcast. The programme I want to cite was a stand-alone programme, not part of a series, so the "cite episode" template will not work. This was not a news broadcast, so the "cite news" template is not appropriate either. RolandR (talk) 21:14, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Problematic. Identifying reliable sources says, in part: "Additionally, an archived copy of the media must exist."  If your stand-alone radio program was broadcast once and the radio waves are now on their way to the furthest parts of the galaxy, then there is no citing .  It is gone.  If there is an online archival copy or a printed transcript, consider:  or  or.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The programme was broadcast today, and is currently available on the BBC iPlayer. I don't know if it will be permanently archived; many iPlayer links expire after 30 days. RolandR (talk) 23:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Then I would suggest that this source does not meet the criteria set by WP:V and WP:RS. You may want to be on the look-out for a more durable source – something printed in a journal or a book or from a 'reliable' online source that can be archived at one or more of the available archiving sites.  Yeah, I know, BBC has been around for 95 years – that kind of longevity is not what I mean.  If their view is to keep stuff around for the short term, then that makes them unsuitable as a source in Wikipedia articles for the long term, ne?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The archived source does not need to be online. As per the above definition link. It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet. - X201 (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

And it would really, really help if you told us what the BBC programme was. - X201 (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It was this, a tribute to Shimon Tzabar by his son, which I would like to use to add references and details to our existing article. RolandR (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Although it doesn't show it in the web version, the BBC iPlayer Radio app states that the programme is available for "Over a year", which means it will be there for a long time; there are shows from 2005 that are listed as "available for over a year". I think you'll be OK using that as a reference. - X201 (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But my real question was technical: how do I cite a radio programme? Is there an appropriate template, and if not what details do I need to include? RolandR (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that over a year really amounts to long term ...
 * Cite the online version (the 'radio' broadcast is gone), perhaps like this:
 * I use because I don't think that  renders this citation correctly (title in italics).
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I noted that the AV media template was inappropriate, but didn't know what else to use. As X201 notes, the programme could stay on the website for far longer than a year, and it it goes then we should be able to link to an archived version. RolandR (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I use because I don't think that  renders this citation correctly (title in italics).
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I noted that the AV media template was inappropriate, but didn't know what else to use. As X201 notes, the programme could stay on the website for far longer than a year, and it it goes then we should be able to link to an archived version. RolandR (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Bad Edit Rampage
A number of edits here Special:Contributions/Quinton_Feldberg may be allowed by regulations but are in very poor taste. Can anything be done about this?--Jifner Clyde (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * seems to be doing a good job dealing with edits by sockpuppets of banned users. If you think he's made some mistakes, you could discuss them with him. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Quinton Feldberg (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Formatting problem
I have been fixing some pages with ref formatting problems and 21 (Adele album) has me puzzled. It has a list-defined reference, called "media-control.de", that isn't used in the content. If I remove the reference, it introduces a bunch of new errors - for example, 'Harv error: link from #CITEREFAdkins2011 doesn't point to any citation'. If I then look at the footnotes with 'Adkins2011' in their names, I can't find any relationship with the "media-control.de" reference. Can anyone explain to me why this is happening and how I can fix it? Leschnei (talk) 23:23, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have removed the reference and see no such errors.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=21_(Adele_album)&diff=805524998&oldid=804310630]. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's weird. Well, thanks for your help. Leschnei (talk) 00:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I figured it out - it's caused by the HarvErrors script. Any changes that I make using or  templates are shown as causing an error until I save; then they are fine. Easily solved by removing the script! Leschnei (talk) 17:45, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Help me
How do i get my content back from speedy deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by B117breezy (talk • contribs) I am new at this and trying to add Bonnie Mercado in wiki if you can help me out that would be great I am new at this if you can please let me know how to edit this or what I need to do to get this approved she is a reality star and is starting her own radio show.

Note: The above copied from the talk page. Eagleash (talk) 23:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleted pages can only be viewed by administrators like me. Why do you want it back? Draft:Bonnie Mercado is not suited for Wikipedia but if you haven't saved the text elsewhere and want a private copy then you can enable email at Special:Preferences and ask again. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The page does not cite any reliable sources, which is necessary for Wikipedia articles. Read WP:BLP for more information on writing articles about living people. Codyorb (talk) 03:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * OK I just cited all the sources I can now is this approval? Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate this.
 * Unfortunately most, if not all, of the sources quoted are not regarded as reliable for Wikipedia's purposes. Please see WP:RS and in particular WP:UGC for more information. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC)