Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 September 16

= September 16 =

submit draft
Hello How do I submit a draft?

Thanks

thompsonjj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thompsonjj (talk • contribs) 01:10, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Place  at the top of the draft. Eagleash (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing my page
Hello, someone has continuously posted information about me and pictures of me that I do not want on my page. I have tried to edit them and it said my page is protected. I was wondering what I can do to get control of my own Wikipedia page or at least be able to have a say in what goes on there thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astevens502 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello; please do not refer to the page as 'yours'. It is Wikipedia's page about you and is based on what has been written about you in independent third party reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a form of social media such as Facebook etc. where individuals can post information about themselves with no verification. Having said that, you can post requests for changes to be made to the article at its talk page but you must provide sources to back up the changes you request. Please also read WP:COI and make the appropriate disclosures. It is very important that you do this and you should not edit in connection with the article until you have done so. Sorry we cannot be of more help. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) It is not "your page", it is an article about you.
 * 2) It would be grossly inappropriate for you to try to get control of this article (again, this is NOT "my own Wikipedia page", this is an encyclopedia article about you written by other people, drawing on published reliable sources.
 * 3) If you believe an article about you is actually inaccurate, or biased (as opposed to "I don't like it"), there are several avenues for you to discuss these issues with Wikipedia's editorial community; see Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  03:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Thomas's London Day Schools
In the "Royal connections" section - I have failed to add a file (pic). Please help fix. I did my best. 101.182.23.36 (talk) 03:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

But as a 'thumb', the image is a little on the large side. Eagleash (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Find A Grave
Can Find A Grave (findagrave.com) be used as a reliable source? For example, it is used to verify the years of birth and death of three people in the first paragraph of this subsection of an article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Gentry#Troy_Gentry. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:D8E:D6F3:A7EA:C247 (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * See the advice at WP:External links/Perennial websites. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:D8E:D6F3:A7EA:C247 (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Thomas's London Day Schools
Ref number 3 is tagged as a dead URL. I have just added - ref number 4 - a url that seems ok. Please check. The line at the end of the history section refers to what the population of a school will be in 2012. Shouldn't a Wikipedia editor remove that line because it is now 2017? This page is seen by many prospective parents and it doesn't make sense to say: "in 2012 a school should have a population of..." Please advise. Thanks again and I am doing my best here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.23.36 (talk) 06:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This line at the end of the "history" section - "The school is expected to grow from Reception upwards up to 400 pupils by 2012" - seems out of date in 2017. What do you guys think? Thanks again.101.182.23.36 (talk) 06:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've removed that sentence since the prediction is no longer in the references provided. It could be restored in a modified form if we can find an archive.    D b f i r s   06:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

101.182.23.36, you are edit warring in the article with an extremely experienced editor. Stop it. You need to discuss your concerns on the article's talk page. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:D8E:D6F3:A7EA:C247 (talk) 06:40, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In fairness, the edits by the IP (Srbernadette logged out?) could not really be considered edit warring. They have been their usual good faith attempts to improve the article and have left summaries asking if their edits are OK. On at least one occasion they've been silently reverted by a more experienced editor. Eagleash (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

New user landing page
The new WP:New user landing page feature is broken, and its semi-protected talk page is not helpful. When I click on a red link I want so see why and when&#x2009; a page was deleted. I'm not interested in Teahouse spam, and typing  is hard. –2.247.246.3 (talk) 06:52, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's part of Autoconfirmed article creation trial, announced at Village pump (technical). You can discuss it at Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. I have posted to Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, you can enter Special:Log in the search box and then type the page name in the "Target" field. In the desktop site you can click "Special pages" under "Tools" in the left pane, and then click "Logs" under "Recent changes and logs". But all these methods are hard to find. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit
Can I Edit A Semi-Protected Edit ? When there is a big wrong in that ?--Sanjesh Manivel (talk) 13:52, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about editing a semi-protected page, the proper procedure for that is found at WP:EDITREQ. P p p er y 14:16, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Some pages have special rules for semi-protected pages like if for example like me I'm not an autoconfirmed user yet it will not allow me to edit that page but if you do have the user right like "Autoconfirmed" then yes you may edit a Semi-protected page; so long its not vandalism.  S. Little  talk  17:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Holy Roman Empire/Article management
Hello, how come there is an extra space in each of the two brackets after the green and red dot icons?--Hubon (talk) 17:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There was a stray space between two 'switch' statements. I also removed German variants of color names (the template was probably copied from German Wikipedia). Ruslik_ Zero 18:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot!--Hubon (talk) 19:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Metroid Article Vandalism
At the top of the Article for Metroid I am seeing a banner with the following text, which cannot be removed through simple editing of an article. It states the following, and blocks all but a tiny sliver of the page from being readable at any given time on my Android phone:

(BLP allegation removed, WP:OVERSIGHT requested - Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC))

This must be investigated, and whomever had access to alter the page in such a fashion should have their permissions PERMANENTLY REVOKED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.183.196 (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at it but more experienced editors like the Developers will need to look at this. I can't see any template or text in the source edit which has those comments etc. It does seem like major vandalism but don't know how to revert it as vandalism.  S. Little  talk  17:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a temaplate, now reverted, protection requested. Crow  Caw  17:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Just observed the same at Affricate consonant briefly. -- Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 20:21, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Is this vandalism from Template:Vanchor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TradeJackLandSim (talk • contribs) 01:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. The vandalism has been removed from public view in the page history. Automatic updating of pages using a template sometimes takes a while. Purging a given page will force an immediate update. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Preview Wikipedia Entry from Bing Search Results
Bryant Wright is the senior pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church. When I search his name on Bing, the automatic preview Wikipedia entry appears to the right of the search results with an image of a criminal. I updated the Wikipedia page to include an image of the church, but the Bing search results are still showing the criminal's image in the default Wikipedia link. What do I need to do to ensure the criminal's picture does not appear as part of Bryant Wright's preview Wikipedia entry on the search results? Is there a way for your team to remove the criminal's image? Appreciate your consideration and assistance with my questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CD:4104:1DB0:35B4:26A2:139E:4585 (talk) 18:58, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we have no control over where Bing pulls their sidebar data from. The sidebar at the bottom shows they pulled data from 3 places, including Wisconsin's Arrest records. There's a "feedback" link in that sidebar, perhaps a comment there? Crow  Caw  19:15, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is not a "Wikipedia entry". See also Template:HD/Bing for a stock reply to similar posts. Many people are fooled by this and similar features at Google and Yahoo. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Category problem
I don't know why but in the article Aachen, there is somehow transcluded the Category:Municipalities in North Rhine-Westphalia, which, however, is in fact redundant since there is already the more appropriate Category:Cities in North Rhine-Westphalia. So how can I remove the former?--Hubon (talk) 19:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, neither is a sub-cat of the other. Eagleash (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The category is added as a default by Infobox German location. I have changed it with  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aachen&diff=prev&oldid=800975290] which adds "Category:Cities in ..." instead so that category is now added twice. This is allowed but otherwise the direct category addition could be removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support! I'm not quite sure what you mean by "that category is now added twice" though, since I see this category listed only once in the category bar. Or did I misunderstand you there?--Hubon (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's added twice by the article (once by the infobox and once at the bottom of the source) but it's only listed once in the rendered page so there is no problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Add portal icon
Hello, since there is no icon for the template link to Portal:Holy Roman Empire yet, I would like to use for that purpose. Unfortunately, I couldn't quite figure out how to do that. Would somebody like to give me some assistance? Warmly--Hubon (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears to be done in Module:Portal/images/h which is mainly edited by User:Buaidh and has a talk page redirecting to Template talk:Portal. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Does this work for you? Yours aye,  Buaidh  04:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


 * That's just perfect and exactly what I wanted – thank you so much!!! Best wishes--Hubon (talk) 19:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * PS: One last thing: I just had a look at Aachen Cathedral and saw that the position of the icon you added is a little lower than the one of the other portals' icons within the portal strip. Is this something you could harmonize, in addition?--Hubon (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually all the icons line up, but the Reichskrone.jpg image appears lower because it is square and has white space at the top. Yours aye, Buaidh  19:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see! Then thanks a lot for your assistance once again. Warmly, --Hubon (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

One more...
Would you do one more for me? I'd like to have as icon for Portal:Medieval Britain... Best wishes--Hubon (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- John of Reading (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

How to call Wikidata qualifier value
I am working with Template:Ordination and would like to have the value of a qualifier called as the value for a parameter. For example, on the Pope Francis article, I would like the  parameter to call the value of "point in time" (27 June 1992) from the "consecration" value under the "significant event" property on the associated Wikidata page. The same would be done by  except for the "point in time" value under "orindation". Does anyone know how to do this?  Ergo Sum  20:26, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

How can I format automatic counting
How can I for automatic counting for two different things at the same time. There is a Support and Oppose thing happening and I can use the # function to count one of them. Is there a way I can format it so that two different counts can be simotanously done? Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:41, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not possible when the supports and opposes are mixed in the same list. Some discussions have separate support and oppose sections. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I could probably code up a module to do this ... P p p er y 22:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I did consider saying "There is no practical way to do this". I don't support this solution or others I can think of like making the whole list a big template call. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't claim something is impossible, lest users like me will try to disprove you. P p p er y 23:08, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. If we allow impractical solutions then we could also make site-wide JavaScript to rewrite the list after loading, at least for users with JavaScript. But some things create more problems than they solve. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks folks, as tempted as I am to try the impractical, impossible solution, I just divided the list into For & Against and ran two counts. Carptrash (talk) 00:11, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ...especially since it doesn't seem to be possible without either waiting for mw:Extension:TemplateStyles, using JavaScript as above, or relying on deprecated HTML. P p p er y 13:24, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Move draft to become public
Hi. I have just uploaded my first contribution but as a draft. I would like to move it to become public and visible to everyone. Please can you let me know how i can do this?

Thank you, Danielle Copperman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcopperman (talk • contribs) 22:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. At the outset, I'll strongly suggest that you give a good exhaustive read to our conflict of interest guidelines before attempting to edit the draft article. Some other pages that would assist you significantly in understanding Wikipedia are as follows: Five pillars, Core content policies and Notability. Having said that, I'll try and give your draft a look over this weekend. Thanks.  Lourdes  03:06, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: Page deleted via speedy, as promotional Eagleash (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2017 (UTC)