Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 September 18

= September 18 =

GAYS against GUNS page
Hello all! I am a founding member of the gun violence prevention organization GAYS against GUNS and I noticed that someone had made a page for us (thank you to whomever that was!). Sadly, it was taken down. I'm not without ego, but this time I'm really motivated more by a sense of fairness. Our group has endured a near constant onslaught of disruption by, what I assume, are NRA members (and their ilk) and it doesn't seem fair to me if they're responsible for the deletion of the page describing our group.

Would someone please look into this for us? We're easy to contact - you can go to our website at www.gaysagainstguns.net or to our facebook page or twitter (@gagnoguns) or instagram (gaysagainstgunsny).

Thank you SO MUCH! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinHertzog (talk • contribs) 04:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I am not an administrator, so I cannot look at the deleted content of the page, but it would help if you could remember the exact title (case sensitive) of the deleted page. Also, deletions on Wikipedia are carried out by administrators, a small group of trusted volunteers with a lot of experience, so it is unlikely that the deletion was motivated in any other way then Wikipedia's policies. Finally, it's best that you keep the conversation about the article here, not on other platforms. Thanks. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 04:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm an administrator but also unable to find the page. Where have you seen indication that it existed? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Interlanguage mess
What the English call "chicory", the French call "endive". What the English call "endive", the French call "chicorée". That's straightforward enough. But when we check Wikipedia's interlanguage links, we find


 * Chicory and Cichorium intybus link to each other.
 * Cichorium and Chicorée link to each other.
 * Endive links to Chicory, without a reciprocal link.
 * Endive has no interlanguage link to a French, or indeed any foreign, article.

There are several problems here, which are certainly not restricted to this genus of plants.
 * en:WP does not allow two articles to have interlanguage links to the same foreign article, though fr:WP evidently does.
 * Sometimes an interlanguage link connects a vernacular name (like "endive") to a botanical name (like "Cichorium intybus"), or vice versa, even when a more appropriate target is available.
 * Sometimes an appropriate target isn't available, instead the target article we would like to link to is a redirect, or doesn't exist.

This is the kind of mess that I enjoy working on, even though my French isn't great. What would be the best place to discuss these issues? Maproom (talk) 09:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . This problem has been much discussed on Wikidata: See d:WD:BC. I wouldn't know either chicory or endive if they came up and bit me in the leg, but I remember reading somewhere years and years ago that what the English call 'chicory' the Americans call 'endive', and vice versa. --ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I think it's rare to discuss where specific interlanguage links should go. Editors just make the changes they want. Nearly all interlanguage links are made at the Wikidata item for the page. Click "Wikidata item" under "Tools" to see it (assuming it has one). Wikidata demands a one-to-one correspondance between pages, and a page can only be in one Wikidata item. But a few interlanguage links are made by editing the article itself instead of its Wikidata item. fr:Endive has the code . Such links are generally at the bottom. See Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * So there's also a American/British language problem contributing to the mess. That hadn't occurred to me. The articles Chicory and Endive seem closer to British usage than American. Thank you,, for explaining how the non-reciprocal link was created.
 * I think I'll try cautiously to untangle some of this particular mess, and see how it goes. Maproom (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I started by deleting the link from FR "Chicorée" to EN "Cichorium". That worked. Then I tried to add a link from FR "Chicorée" to EN "Endive" – but I got the error message "The link enwiki:Endive is already used by item Q28604477. You may remove it from Q28604477 if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic." So I looked for a French article on "Q28604477", and got the message that there isn't one: "L'article « Q28604477 » n'existe pas sur ce wiki ! ". I'm clearly out of my depth here. Maproom (talk) 15:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== The question about the page https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/ etc ==

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%8E%E0%B2%B2%E0%B3%8D_%E0%B2%AE%E0%B2%B9%E0%B2%B2%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AA

Hi Every time go to page i receive alerts "ಈ ಲೇಖನದಲ್ಲಿ ಸರಿಯಾದ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿದೆ ಸರಿಯಾದ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಗಳನ್ನು ಸೇರಿಸಿ ಲೇಖನವನ್ನು ಉತ್ತಮಗೊಳಿಸಿ. ಲೇಖನದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚೆ ನಡೆಸಲು ಚರ್ಚೆ ಪುಟವನ್ನು ನೋಡಿ."

cool, am glad to know that there are people who can help me on this. But when i go there i do not find option to post my query or discuss about the page i have been working on. could you please someone send or comment with right link, so i that i can discuss about the page. As far as my concern, i have used very good contents but help me once.

regards, Dharanesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharanesha.e (talk • contribs)


 * I can't read Kannada and therefore can't start to think what might be wrong. Imaginably something funny is going on: somebody has just now posted a message to me there. I can't read it, and I don't believe I've ever posted anything there. But this isn't a matter for discussion here. -- Hoary (talk) 13:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know Kannada but Google tranlates the message as: "This article needs a proper reference. Add the correct references and make the article better. See the talk page to discuss the article". The message is made with the code . The article doesn't currently have a talk page but you can create it by clicking the red link. I cannot say whether you will get a response. Tagging an article with   is very easy and the user doing it may not actually want to spend time discussing the article. I don't know the reference requirements of the Kannada Wikipedia but you can also consider removing   if the references seem adequate. The page history shows it was added in [//kn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B2%8E%E0%B2%B2%E0%B3%8D_%E0%B2%AE%E0%B2%B9%E0%B2%B2%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AA&diff=783125&oldid=783120] and moved to the top in [//kn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B2%8E%E0%B2%B2%E0%B3%8D_%E0%B2%AE%E0%B2%B9%E0%B2%B2%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AA&diff=796262&oldid=796258]. See Help:Talk pages for an English guide about how how to contact editors or use article talk pages.
 * When you visit a Wikimedia wiki for the first time while logged in, your account is automatically created there. Special:CentralAuth/Hoary shows your Kannada account was created today. Some wikis post welcome messages to new accounts. You got a standard welcome message corresponding to Welcome. This has confused and annoyed many users who visited languages they don't know and haven't edited in. I have considered proposing a Wikimedia-wide ban on posting welcome messages to accounts which have no edits and were not originally created at that wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, PrimeHunter. I hadn't previously encountered this autowelcome thing -- which is rather a surprise because I fairly often visit other-language pedias while logged in. Perhaps it's very new. It doesn't worry me, but it does rather seem a solution in search of a problem. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

How to claim a public school page
Is there a way for our school district to claim our page and maintain it ourself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commcca (talk • contribs) 15:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No. No one is responsible for maintaining any page and no one can claim ownership of a page.  Also since you have a Conflict of interest you shouldn't be editing the page.  ~ GB fan 15:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

So it's okay to have incorrect information on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commcca (talk • contribs) 15:12, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Very clearly, no-one has said. or even inferred, that. If you think corrections need to be made then please request them on the talk page of the relevant article, citing reliable sources where the information can be verified - Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We did not imply that either, so it cannot be inferred. Britmax (talk) 15:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * the posters above may have overreacted, because the way you formulated your query is a major sin for Wikipedia-dwellers (see WP:OWN). You cannot "claim" a page and control its contents; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia governed by a complex set of guidelines and the dual belief that (1) the best article is that which is written with those guidelines in mind and (2) ease to edit will help to enforce those guidelines (in most cases). Giving pages for their "owners" to maintain would run contrary to (2).
 * You could edit the page yourself, though this is highly discouraged, see WP:COI. In addition, if you are working for the district or the school, please immediately see WP:PAID.
 * What you should do is to edit the talk page of the article, describe what exactly you want changed, add sources to back up that information and place the magic words at the top of it.
 * I will also add that while adding material beyond trivialities would require sources, removing unsourced material should be done on sight even without a source proving it is false. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing Program ?
What is a good program to use to edit Wikipedia pages ?

FDLeyda (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * it appears from your contributions that you already managed to edit Wikipedia, so I am wondering if you have a specific problem in mind...? Usually a web browser is enough. There are a lot of gadgets to change how you edit Wikipedia pages (notably Visual Editor). There also are programs ("bots") that perform tedious and easy-to-automate tasks, but you should not use one without getting it approved first. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Jamie Oliver
Error on article about Jamie Oliver - chef He has 5 children not 6.
 * You put in more work by commenting here than by fixing it! :P I've corrected it. If you catch an error, you're always more than welcome to correct it, though providing sources for your edits is strongly recommended. Pure RED  &#124;  talk to me   &#124; 19:26, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

New red link page
I clicked on a red link and ended up here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Policajac+sa+Petlovog+brda. The red link page used to have a link that searched Wikipedia for the page title. Why was it removed? 93.136.71.127 (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The landing page is part of Autoconfirmed article creation trial, announced at Village pump (technical). I think there are several issues and have posted to Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can see how this would be confusing to a new user who is trying to use the search function, and I've posted a request at Wikipedia talk:New user landing page.   78.26   (spin me / revolutions) 21:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Correction to a name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Love_(song) You have the name listed as Charles Emmerich, in fact it is Bob Emmerich

He was my father so I know it is correct. He wrote and adapted the actual music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.23.116.210 (talk) 20:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment Not certain as to reliability, but. Eagleash (talk) 21:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would say discogs copied Wikipedia. Composed by Bob Emmerich.  .  I will make the change.   78.26   (spin me / revolutions) 21:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably did! Eagleash (talk) 21:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Our Love is the title of many songs. The above discogs link is about a 1959 song. Our Love (song) is about the 1939 song in this discogs link saying Bob Emmerich. By the way, see Stay for a really common title. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 1959 was the year the Ted Heath album containing the song was released. It was a compilation of songs based on classical originals. The Our Love (song) page refers to the adaptation from Tchaikovsky. However, seems 'Bob' is correct. Eagleash (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

2018 Major League Baseball season
Thank you for starting the 2018 Major League Baseball season article I thank you for this and I Am glad you started a couple of days ago. Next Year will look forward to the 2019 Major League Baseball Season article. will talk about that next year. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:F5AE:AF3B:D7FE:8881 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Dudley Marjoribanks, 1st Baron Tweedmouth
Ref 1 which I have just added - does not clearly have who the publisher is. Please leave in the quote when you fix this up if you can.Srbernadette (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Eagleash (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)