Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 September 9

= September 9 =

University of Leeds
2 things please: In the pro-chancellor section - (on the university's computer) I cannot do the symbol for British pounds - there isn't a key for pounds. Please fix and check is ref number 78 OK? Thanks 101.182.23.36 (talk) 05:08, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added a £ sign. For reference 78, you've cited the 20th report published in 1924, and linked to a pdf of the 16th report published in 1920. A page number would be helpful. Maproom (talk) 08:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * For the OP's future reference: at the bottom of this and every editing window, there should be a menu box with eleven options. Selecting each of those brings up a different array of characters (letters, signs, symbols etc). If you place your cursor in the edit window text where you want a symbol, and then click on the appropriate one in the array, it will be inserted where the cursor is. The £ sign is found under the third menu item, 'symbols' – I just clicked it to insert that symbol above, although (being in England) my keyboard does have it. Once you've inserted a symbol in a piece of editing window text once, you can either do the same again, or copy and paste the first one. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.61.201 (talk) 00:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Request help with renewing CreditMantri page
Hi Wikipedia,

I am Aniruddh, currently working in CreditMantri (www.creditmantri.com), we had a Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CreditMantri.com) which has been taken down on the 16th of October 2016 because the content was found to be advertorial.

We wish to state that this was in no way intentional on our part to go against the article guidelines of Wikipedia and would like to renew the CreditMantri page on Wikipedia. Kindly help us in this regard.

Awaiting your reply soon.

Aniruddh — Preceding unsigned comment added by AniruddhMV (talk • contribs) 06:25, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that you have some very common misconceptions about Wikipedia. It is an encyclopaedia, which contains articles which summarise what independent reliable sources have published about notable subjects. It is nothing like a business directory. The AFD discussion you linked to indicated that several editors had searched for independent sources about CreditMantri, and failed to find them - the jargon word for this is that the company is not notable. Since a Wikipedia article must be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about it in reliable places, it follows that if there is little or no such material published then there is literally nothing which can go in such an article, and it is not permitted to create or keep one: that is what the discussion was about.
 * In addition, if we did have an article about your company, you, as an editor with a conflict of interest, would be strongly discouraged from directly editing the article, would be required to make a declaration of your status as a paid editor, and would have no control whatever over the contents of the article. Wikipedia basically has little interest in what the subject of an article says about themselves, and no interest at all in how they wish to be portrayed.
 * If, after reading the links in my answer, you feel that the company is nevertheless notable in Wikipedia's sense (which means that you will have found several places where people unconnected with the company have published material about it in depth - this would exclude anything on social media, anything published by the company, and anything based on a press release or interview with the company - you are permitted to try the difficult task of creating an article about it (doubly difficult because of your COI). In that case, please read your first article.
 * You may find this reply discouraging. You are very welcome to help us improve Wikipedia in any area you find interesting: but preferably not in anything related to your company. --ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Getting wikidata to appear with an Authority Control tag
I think I've missed a step somewhere, but need help to find it. I created an entry and put data about Guido Beltramini onto Wikidata. I then put onto the page Guido Beltramini. However, it doesn't retrieve the wikidata. What am I missing? Apologies if I've made a silly mistake! Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 07:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed the 'empty' Ext. links heading and it seems to work OK now. Not sure why that worked but... Maybe another Ed. will provide an explanation. Eagleash (talk) 08:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * PS I think it might have been a cache/purge type of problem as there is sometimes a delay in the link being established when adding en.Wiki pages to Wikidata items and the item did not appear in the list of tools on the left (as it should do) when I first went to the page. Removing EL likely made no difference but if it's empty ie unnecessary. Eagleash (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thanks for your help; that works now. I thought (long-lost memories of reading policies in the dim and distant past) that the authority control was supposed to go into the External links section – that's why the heading was there. Has this policy changed? — Hebrides (talk) 08:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's been a change. See WP:ORDER; it goes after EL (where it exists) but not necessarily within it. I did experiment and it does still work if you restore EL. Eagleash (talk) 08:39, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Yandex
The Yandex site is included in the top sites of the world. Look: List of most popular websites

But the user User:Robert McClenon has put all the articles about products to delete


 * Yandex Data Factory
 * Yandex.Direct
 * Yandex Disk
 * Yandex.Translate
 * Yandex.Taxi
 * Yandex Search
 * Yandex.Money
 * Yandex Maps

He has not heard about Yandex and believes that these articles - spam, advertising.

Please join the discussion on the removal page.--Ffederal (talk) 13:16, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The notabilty of a website doesn't make the notabilty of its products. --Lacrymocéphale 13:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You are breaking Canvassing. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It is important. Yandex-Translator is built into the interface of Russian Wikipedia. Such removal of articles about Yandex will give rise to a scandal--Ffederal (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * User:PrimeHunter - I respectfully disagree, at least partly disagree, as to whether the OP is violating the rule against canvassing. This Help Desk is a neutral forum that is a reasonable place to ask editors to take part in a deletion discussion or comment on a Request for Comments.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:18, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I should have been more specific. The help desk is neutral but the posts are not. Canvassing says: "Campaigning: Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner." . PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * please review the policies of enwiki, particularly WP:notability and WP:promotion. Whether one of them is used on ruwiki - or enwiki, or any other Wikipedia - has absolutely no bearing on whether or not there should be an article about it on enwiki. (It might be different on ruwiki, since policies can vary between Wikipedias). --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it so much. All being nominated for deletion means is that people will spend a week debating the merits and then an admin will evaluate the arguments (the arguments, it's not a vote so it's not about counting opinions) and then check the rules to see if it should be retained, deleted or other (like merged).  So far it is just a discussion.  No need to panic.  RJFJR (talk) 18:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

To remove WIKI PAGE ON " TAN RUI XIANG"
Hi WIKI,

Ive discovered a page about me which is untrue and I want it to be deleted immediately

The page is " TAN RUI XIANG"

Content is about Singaporean ACTOR

Including Bio on Kallang Roar the Movie etc

Please help to delete the entire page and images immediately

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.164.193.101 (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * At first glance, the (very short) article is not properly referenced with inline citations, and the references provided are mostly listings or not Reliable sources (although I can't access the linked newspaper article), suggesting that the subject is not Notable (that is, there are insufficient reliable sources available to support an article), so there is a good case for deleting the article on those grounds, and a template message to that effect has been placed on it.
 * However, OP, leaving aside that we cannot be certain that you at IP 222.164.193.101 are really the actor Tan Rui Xiang (and not a rival trying to do him down – such things do happen), please be aware that you do not have a say in whether or not Wikipedia maintains an article about you, and should not directly edit such an article because of your unavoidable Conflict of interest.
 * You could, of course, give us links to evidence (preferably in the Talk page of the article) of facts in such an article being incorrect, in which case they should certainly be removed or replaced, and nothing libelous should be allowed to appear there (see BLP).
 * I wish you luck in your future career. Should you become more successful and famous, you will inevitably have articles and other material written about you in newspapers, magazines, etc., making you notable in the Wikipedia sense, and likely resulting in a Wikipedia article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.61.201 (talk) 00:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Size of type
Dear Sirs,

The size of type can appear too large for the page. Can t his be corrected on viewing ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.60.54 (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's likely on your computer. Try zooming out. ctrl and - on Windows. C T F 8 3 !  17:44, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Or if you have a mouse-wheel, hold ctrl and rotate the mouse wheel. Crow  Caw  18:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello. Apart from what editors have suggested to you, This link contains quick guides to decrease/increase font sizes in Chrome, Windows, Mac and Linux. Thanks.  Lourdes  00:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Trouble completing edit
I have posted edits to several different Wiki pages over the past 3 years using several different iPhones of my own. Today i am attempting to edit the wiki page for Dwight Hemion- but i am unable to complete & save it finally- due to having trouble with the "captcha" feature. It makes me type in the captcha field repeatedly over & over again & i'm never allowed to advance past captcha to the final save. Also, sometimes i attempt to type in the field & my keyboard rises to cover up what i'm supposed to copy!

Very frustrating! I don't know what to do. I have tried logging out & back in again too. Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sw2564 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * When your account makes two more edits it becomes autoconfirmed and no longer has to enter a captcha to add external links. I suggest you just make two edits somewhere. Replying to this counts as an edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . A possible mistake that some people make (including myself at first) is that after typing in the requested Captcha "word", they click the "refresh" next to it (thus requesting a different "word") rather than scrolling down and clicking the "Save changes" button. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.61.201 (talk) 00:42, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding Wikidata to template
I am trying to add Wikidata to Template:Ordination/sandbox. I would like the template to call a certain Wikidata value and then have that value be processed in the subtemplate Template:Ordination/color. The wikitext I currently have is:. (It includes an override option). This does not seem to be working. Does anyone know how to make this work?
 * I said you two times above that the template works fine but you can not test it on the 'testcases' page. Ruslik_ Zero 18:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your help, but like I said: I tested the template with the code you wrote in the sandbox on an article in the mainspace and it didn't work. No color was generated, despite there being a value for P140 on that page on Wikidata.  Ergo Sum  18:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm very sorry. I just null edited the mainspace article and it works with your code. Sincerest apologies for the misunderstanding. There is still one problem, though. When there is no value for P140 on Wikidata, the default color does not appear in the template. Instead, it is blank. Do you know how to fix this? Also, there is a preview warning for when  is missing and the page is placed in the associated tracking category. I would like to keep this, but make it so that if P140 is pulled from Wikidata and is used in the denomination parameter, the preview warning does not appear and the page is not put in the category. Any ideas?  Ergo Sum  18:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that I fixed both issues. Ruslik_ Zero 18:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, you did. Thank you very much. Just one last thing, why does "1. CCCC99" now appear above the documentation at Template:Ordination/color? I suspect it is just a stray edit, but I want to make sure.  Ergo Sum  23:55, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * is the default color code when no parameter is given. The template returns  which renders as a numbered list when   is at the start of a line. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks.  Ergo Sum  00:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Book Reviews
Please add book reviews as do not know if I can myself:

Marilyn Taylor In Hubble’s Shadow http://www.poetrymagazine.com/poetrymagazine_reviews_marilyn_l_taylor_ph_d.html

Alex Phuong In Hubble’s Shadow http://www.millerspondpoetry.com/index.php/reviews

Aline Soules In Hubble’s Shadow Writer Advice July-September 2017 Vol. 20, Number 4 http://www.writeradvice.com/hooked-on-books

Stephen Holder In Hubble’s Shadow https://thenewbookreview.blogspot.com/2017/08/michigan-quarterly-reviews-smallwoods.html

Vera Gubnitskaia  Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction http://www.scarletleafreview.com/non-fiction3/vera-gubnitskaia-book-review-interweavings-creative-nonfiction-by-carol-smallwood

Ronald Primeau Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction http://www.raintaxi.com/volume-22-number-3-fall-2017-87/

Lara Lillibridge Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction http://momeggreview.com/2017/04/25/interweavings-creative-nonfiction-by-carol-smallwood/

Patti Gibbons Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction https://thenewbookreview.blogspot.com/2017/09/university-librarian-reviews-creative.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carol Smallwood (talk • contribs) 20:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Carol. As you have done earlier, you should post these at Talk:Carol Smallwood. The editors there would help assess these references and place them in the article if fit. Come back here if you need more assistance. Warmly.  Lourdes  00:07, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Good guess
Hi, basically, in the TV version of The Walking Dead the character Jesus (The Walking Dead) has the last name "Rovia", but is played by a white British actor (the character is American). I just wondered where the character is meant to be from? He is obviously white, but which ancestry? Probably a good guess is all I can hope for, any idea please?--2A02:C7D:892B:3D00:9551:4348:9573:72B8 (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You're better off asking that at the Ref Desk: Reference desk/Entertainment. This is the Help Desk, only for questions about using Wikipedia, not speculation on content. Crow  Caw  20:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)