Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 April 13

= April 13 =

Samual Jordan and daughter Mary family line from Jamestown
Samuel Jordan and the Mary family line has important People among it such as President Harry S Truman and other famous people that has effected our American culture. sources are on ancestry.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:D00:C510:2524:6E13:9CB4:2151 (talk) 00:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. If you think an article can be improved, the best place to suggest it is on that article's Talk page - we can't tell which article you are referring to here. Information should be supported by citations to reliable sources| - unfortunately, ancestry.com, being largely user-generated, is not regarded as a reliable source (see the discussion here). --ColinFine (talk) 08:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Gledhow Hall
Please help - I have added a commons file in the VAD  hospital  section on this page. I had hoped to correctly add this  information under the old photo: "Gledhow  Hall - as it appeared in the years prior to becoming a V.A.D. hospital". Thanks 175.32.12.25 (talk) 01:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * What is the file you uploaded? I don't see any uploads from your IP to commons.  The link you provided does not exist.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Please see above and my answer here. Thanks 175.32.12.25 (talk) 01:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)   Here is the commons   file  that I  have had  difficulty  with - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gledhow_Hall,_near_Leeds_c.1890.jpg

Can you please add this info. to the  file - "Gledhow  Hall - as it appeared in the years prior to becoming a V.A.D. hospital". Thanks 175.32.12.25 (talk) 01:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ You might want to tweak the image location.
 * Again, please do not start a new section with each post Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I've lost a name of a talk page template for proposed additional references
Anyone know what the name of this specific talk page template might be? For a description, the template says something about references (or external links) which may be useful to add information from to an article in the future. I've seen it on some drafts or user sandbox pages before. It is meant to be placed on the talk page, else it will display a warning. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 02:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For clarification, the template I'm looking for is not Template:More citations needed or one of its other article space variants. It's a list of references, much like Template:Press. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 02:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you looking for refideas? &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 02:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 02:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

How to ask an Editor or a Wikipedia user to write an article for my company.
Good day! I'm interested to know about writing an article for my company "Go! Go! World". After researching about the guidelines, it seems that I have a "conflict of interests" according to Wikipedia guidelines. Our original inked was to write a non biased, no profit article, but since the fact that I work on the company clashes with the rules I was wondering if it is the type of thing I can ask someone to write for me. We can provide said editor or writer, if it can be done of course, with references, history, faqs, etc. Hope this is clear enough. Thanks for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by GGNJose (talk • contribs) 02:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, your company doesn't seem to satisfy WP:COMPANY. I couldn't find any third-party articles, reviews, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:33, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Please understand that Wikipedia is not a directory or advertising site. It will never ever contain an article "for" your company (or "against" it). It might some day contain an article about your company, if there are enough independent reliably-published sources about it that an article can be based on (that is what we mean by notable in Wikipedia). If it does, you and your company will have no control whatever over the contents of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If, after reading the new notability guidelines, you still believe that your organisation is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also guidance for editors with conflicts of interest. Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Need Help Regarding Sandbox
How to use sandbox & I'm confusing, if want to make the sadbox of List of 2018 Indian Premier League Half-Centuries, how I do it.Help please....(Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 04:20, 13 April 2018 (UTC))


 * You could copy the content to your sandbox before the article gets deleted, but in view of the fact that the consensus of opinion is that the topic will never be an article in Wikipedia, it would probably be better to find alternative webspace to store your research.  Dbfirs  08:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

PEGwiki reliability as a source/reference
Does PEGWiki http://wcipeg.com/wiki/Main_Page count as a reliable source for algorithms?

The link to http://wcipeg.com/wiki/Binary_heap has been added as a reference for the algorithm complexity in Binary heap (in the section Binary heap, at the end of the line starting with ‘The number of operations required depends...’) and I wonder if this fits Wikipedia's standards for sourcing. --CiaPan (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no. Wikis in general (including this one) are not considered reliable sources suitable for citing in a Wikipedia article, because they are not subject to editorial control, vetting, etc. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you,, that's what I suspected. Going to remove the reference from the Binary heap article. --CiaPan (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

A persons religion
What are the policy and/or guidelines for how we mention a persons religion in a BLP? Context is this discussion: Talk:Mocha_Uson. Is " She claims to be "an open-minded Catholic"" more or less ok? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We can cite what the subject has said about their religion. Beyond that, all reliable sources can tell us is what external parties have said or done about their religion. If I were to say that I am a Neo-Orthodox Druid, that's a citeable fact (i.e., that I say so); if a reliable source reports that I've been declared "eradicated" by the Bratislava Synod of Neo-Orthodox Druids, that's a citeable fact (i.e., that they say so). Neither of these proves or disproves that I am or am not a "real" Neo-Orthodox Druid, and we should not make any such statement in Wikipedia's voice. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Displaying and printing category names when printing Wikipedia pages
In the past, whenever I printed out a Wikipedia page, it would include the categories that the page belonged to - both when doing a print preview on the screen, and when the hard copy was printed out on a printer. This was useful as reference information. Now, however, the list of categories that a page belongs to does not show up when doing a print preview, nor is it printed out on the hard copy. Has something changed within Wikipedia, or is it something that I can restore by changing something? If so, do I need to change something in Wikipedia, or in my browser, or in the printer driver? Many thanks in advance for your help. Marc Hughes (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess the &printable=yes versions have been made to look like mobile versions for compactness. You can try saving the article as a web page on your desktop and then printing the page or exporting the page as pdf; you'll get the categories in this workaround. Lourdes  00:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Ref columns interferring with nav box
You can see what I did here—and absolutely no blooming idea how to sort it. Any advice? Many thanks! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap shit room 13:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Any chance you could take a quick peek? TIA! —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 14:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course,, brilliant, cheers!  —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 14:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Category 2018-19 NHL season by team
Can you fix the 2018-19 NHL season by team category from red to blue because there's only one team can you fix it now. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2031:357:371B:3795 (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have created Category:2018–19 NHL season by team. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Frazer Hines
Your bio is saying he "died on the smiler at Alto Towers on 13th April 2018" has somebody hacked this as I can't find any more info?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.74.167 (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks very much! Absolute nonsense, thank goodness. —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 14:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Article labeled that it may have been created or edited for undisclosed payments
I created the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipul_Patel. I have not received any kind of compensation for this; my only association with the Global Robotics Institute is that my husband was formerly a patient. I did inform the Doctor that I submitted the article, and requested a photo and letter of permission from the Global Robotics Institute. Apparently a staff member made a minor edit to the article, updating the number of surgeries performed. I believe this is what triggered the notice. I subsequently edited that change because it was not substantiated by any documentation, and changed the citation to match the newly edited content. The notice is still there, though. How can this be removed? --Proboscidian (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Proboscidian, you could theoretically just remove the tag, but best to see what admin who added the tag has to say. I think you have a problem in that nearly all your refs are either his publications or from Global Robotics Institute, not independent verifiable sources. Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:24, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem is it is full of unsupported / poorly supported promotional stuff. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 19:02, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Downloading and using a photograph for a museum statue
Hello there,

Have a quick question please: can I downlod and use a photograph for a museum statue that on wikipedia and use it in designing a book cover for example ?

Appreciate your reply in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.34.199.254 (talk) 15:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Unfortunately, the answer is "it depends". Most material in Wikipedia is licensed so that anybody can reuse it freely for any purpose, as long as they attribute it. But if it kept strictly to that rule, we would have far fewer photos. So you need to click on the photo and look at its description page, to see what its copyright status is. If it says something like CC-BY-SA you can reuse it. If it says "Fair use" you may not. A picture of a work of art is likely to be free for use, but we'd have to know which picture to be sure. See WP:REUSE for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

languages list in sidebar instead of popup
I find this new 5-lines, columnized, split into groups, full-of-empty-space "search for a language" popup very annoying to use. I preferred when "more languages" button expanded full alphabetical list of languages in sidebar instead. Is there a setting to disable language search popup and show languages list in sidebar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.137.8.54 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Registered users have a lot of settings. This one is to disable "Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Clumsy- Justin Tierney — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.204.219.2 (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

importing administrator claims article is in a wrong language
Hi all, as an admin on Wikipedia of german language I was asked if I could move an article in english language to this Wikipedia of english language. As I have no importing rights here, I thought I'd go to Requests for page importation. Now, I got an answer, but the importing administrator claims that the article is in german language, although it is clearly not, see de:The Swiss Commission for UNESCO. What are my options now that the request has been declined? I don't want to cause any trouble, I just want to help a user who published both the german and the english article in one (ze german) Wikipedia instead of two. Cheers and thanks in advance Sargoth (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Be bold (WP:BOLD). Just create the article yourself here on en:wp. Attribute the source either on the new article's talk page, or in your creation comment, or both. This assumes that, in your judgement, the article's subject is notable and has sufficient references ot reliable sources to establish notability. -Arch dude (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is being resolved at WP:RFPI - was confusion on my part. — xaosflux  Talk 19:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The response you got was odd, at least two editors did not click the link and just assumed it was not in English.  I don't think the article is ready for main space, as there are no references in it.   If you want to move it to this Wikiepedia, it should start as a draft so you or other interested editors can work to improve it.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Arch dude and RudolfRed. I'm not really sure about the notability, not even in de-WP. Is the commisssion of every country for UNESCO notable? I wouldn't mind if you put a WP:XFD on it, cause I'm not the author, but I'll inform them if so Smiley green alien wink.svg Cheers --Sargoth (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi that was mostly my fault, I do lots of these and didn't go read the dewiki page first.  That being said the import is done but it is lacking any sourcing, I've tagged for cleanup and slapped a prod on in in case the original author doesn't respond. —  xaosflux  Talk 19:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Article Chakresh Kumar
Please review this Draft:Chakresh Kumar. Provide with the instructions and improvements need to be made in the article.Sanjeev22mannan (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Sanjeev22mannan I have submitted this draft to Articles for creation, the regular route for review of draft articles <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  21:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Category 2018–19 NBA season by team
Can you fix the 2018–19 NBA season by team article by team category from red to blue because there's only one team fix it now. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2031:357:371B:3795 (talk) 22:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have created Category:2018–19 NBA season by team. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 13 April 2018 (UTC)