Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 April 29

= April 29 =

sandbox talk page links to an article, not to sandbox
My sandbox talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AnaSoc/sandbox links to an article that I created and moved to the mainspace. How can I get it to link to the current content in my sandbox? Thanks in advance for your help.AnaSoc (talk) 00:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * When you are redirected you'll see a little link beneath the page title linking back to your sandbox talk page. Clicking that would have sent you back to the talk page and you could have then removed the redirect. I've done so for you. --Neil N  talk to me 00:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the fix! AnaSoc (talk) 00:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Upgrading article from Stub category.
The page for Epithalamion has been edited and added to. I was wondering if it would be upgraded from the Stub category.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithalamion_(poem)

Chelseabobelsy (talk) 02:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The quality and importance of pages are ranked by whatever WikiProject they fall under; in the case of Epithalamion_(poem), it looks like WP:POETRY oversees it, so you'd want to inquire with them for a review of the page. Anyone can be a part of a WikiProject if they feel they have the skills for it, and while I won't speak for anyone else here, I will say that I myself am in no way qualified to review any articles to do with literacy considering I probably speak Bash and Lua better than English, and I'm American by birth! Don't be fooled -- I'm just no stranger to spellcheck & Grammarly! It looks like WP:POETRY maintains a list of Assessment Requests here. Here's to your constructive edits paying off! Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 02:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , I have upgraded the rating from Stub to Start. The article needs more references, and many paragraphs are unreferenced, which raises concerns about original research, which is not allowed. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  02:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I have gone through and edited and added more sources, just wondering if it would change at all or anything. Thanks!Chelseabobelsy (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Word count
Is there an easy way to display word count for an article - other than typing a “near miss” and getting the Search Results Page? Do images count in the file size - or is the byte size just for the text?120.16.153.99 (talk) 03:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)MBG


 * The byte size for an article is the number of characters in the wiki markup code (edit source), except for some characters that take up 2 or 3 bytes. So for images, it would be the number of bytes that take up the CODE that implements the image. As for the word count, I don't know, but it certainly would be nice to have. (Of course, you can always copy-and-paste the source code into Microsoft Word or something and it will tell you)--SkyGazer 512 What will you say? / What did I do? 03:28, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There is some code I added somewhere for a destubathon (Africa?) that added "Page size" to my tools. I haven't been able to track it down, but it does give a word count. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Don’t search. Only a cursory Q. Surprised it’s not displayed, given all the amazing stats that are. Love the Views count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.153.99 (talk) 03:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "Page size", under Tools in the LH column gives the word-count and other data e.g.
 * File size: 195 kB
 * Prose size (including all HTML code): 16 kB
 * References (including all HTML code): 292 B
 * Wiki text: 22 kB
 * Prose size (text only): 9193 B (1447 words) "readable prose size"
 * References (text only): 27 B
 * However, I.m not sure if you need an account for this to appear/work - Arjayay (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * doesn’t appear (for me) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.153.99 (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You have to create an account, and then put " importScript('User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js'); " in your common.js Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Timestamp
how to convert (hex) to (day,month,year)-D11-M12-Y16, 08:43:25.

Hex (0X62 0X68 0X8A 0X2D).

Here is the data format.

T4 4 Timestamp encoded as 2 unsigned numerals, see below.

T6 6 Timestamp encoded as 3 unsigned numerals, see below.

T12 12 Timestamp encoded as 6 unsigned numerals, see below

1.2.1 Encoding of Timestamps

The timestamp T4 is encoded in 2 slightly different ways depending on the actual implementation of the VMP Control. Old versions use encoding 1 while new versions use encoding 2, thereby correcting the errors of encoding 1. Bit 15 of the second word are used to distinguish the two formats. The timestamps T6 and T12 exists in one version only.

T4 - encoding 1:

1. word 3*(365*(Year-1986) + DayNumberInYear) + Hour/8 2. word 3600*(Hour modulus 8) + 60*Min + Sec

DayNumberInYear assigns 1 to January the first and increments the number by one each day, treating leap-years correctly. Unfortunately, this encoding assigns the same 1. word to December 31. in a leap-year and January 1. in the next year.

T4 - encoding 2:

1. word 3*(366*(Year-1994) + DayNumberInLeapYear) + Hour/8 2. word 3600*(Hour modulus 8) + 60*Min + Sec + 32768

DayNumberInLeapYear assigns 0 to January the first and increments the number by one each day, assuming all years to be leap-years.

T6 - encoding:

1. word 32*(16*(Year modulus 100)+Month)+Day 2. word 60*Hour+Min 3. word 1000*Sec+Msec

T12 - encoding: 1. word Year 2. word Month 3. word Day 4. word Hour 5. word Min 6. word Sec

The following chapters describe the telegrams in a format containing (from the left) • the byte number(s) of the field • the datatype of the field, no datatype imply one or more binary data-bytes • name and explanation of the field — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.181.240.186 (talk) 08:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Where will this be used? This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Biased content 'digital painting'
Hi, A major contribution to 'digital painting' was blocked in February by administrator 'Justlettersandnumbers'. This was motivated with an assumed 'copyright violation'. Although no copyright violation can be demonstrated, the text still remains blocked. The lemma now offers very poor information, partly incorrect, and certainly not without commercial bias. There has been no reaction from the administrator for some time. Please help to restore this page to its former level of information and independence. Vandevenp (talk) 11:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Actually, he says in the edit summary of the removal of where it was copied and pasted from, so a copyright violation can be demonstrated. Directly copying and pasting text from another website is considered a copyright violation on wikipedia, and will be removed from the page. If you have a WP:RS and can summarize the content of that source on the article while citing it, your edit will likely stay- so do that instead of copying and pasting. 💵Money💵emoji💵 Talk 14:31, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Changes to Infobox Newspaper template not appearing
Hello. I added new categories of editors, and names, to the "Infobox Newspaper" template of The Detroit News. But it is not appearing on the wiki entry, even though it is published. Can someone tell me how to get those categories to show up on the page? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimberkoz (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

The }} at the end of an infobox has to go on its own line, or else changes before won't show, which is what your mistake was. I also removed the Editors in the infobox, however, because the titles of their sections aren't accepted by the infobox and therefore won't show no matter what. I recommend you put information on them in the "Staff and columnists" section. 💵Money💵emoji💵 Talk 14:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see Template:Infobox newspaper for a list of available parameters. Eagleash (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Eagleash Thank you!

Is this possible?
I edit Wikipedia very frequently by IPv6 addresses, but since you don't accept multiple IP addresses and changes here, and my IPv6 changes to IPv4 for short periods of time (which is what is extremely irritating), is it possible to rangeblock my IPv6 range (174.238.x.x)? However, I suggest not blocking account creation to let other users with that range edit. Also, some vandal is targeting admins' talk pages putting false deceased templates, mainly with IPv4 ranges. The last time it was blocked, it was only 2 weeks. Is it okay to do a rangeblock for the IPv4 only? Thank you, 2600:1011:B15B:4B2C:D973:5D4F:EE84:8CF9 (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Blocking my entire range of IPv6 addresses would prevent me from editing, that's why I requested an IPv4 rangeblock.
 * I am not quite clear how a block on the IPv4 range would assist you. We certainly do accept edits from users with dynamic IP addresses, but we do not try to consolidate these into a single set of contributions. I would suggest that you consider the benefits of creating and using an account. This is not required, but does have some advantages, and in my view, very few if any disadvantages. It would obviate any issue of IP level blocks for you at all. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing mobile page descriptions
The mobile site and app of Wikipedia has short descriptions of each article's subject seen when searching, but these can sometimes be inaccurate (for example, Barry George is described as a "British criminal" even though he was acquitted in a retrial, which violates WP:BLP). How do you edit these descriptions? Raymond1922 (talk) 17:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * In Wikidata: Q3308791. Ruslik_ Zero 17:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Better to use Template:Short description, as Wikidata is not under enwiki control. See WP:Short description.  --David Biddulph (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * George did have some previous minor convictions though. Eagleash (talk) 17:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

how to correct info-pic for Wikipedia?
Hello. Trying to find the best way to correct an issue with Jimmy Arnold? The current Jimmy Arnold from the Four Lads is wrongly linked to a wrong picture from a YouTube from a different Jimmy Arnold. The Four Lads James (Jimmy) Francis Arnold had the pic attached of a bluegrass singer also named Jimmy Arnold. Need to find the best way to completely edit since the Four Lads are not Bluegrass as well we can provide a proper picture to attach for James Arnold. Any help is much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jalexander1976 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article Jimmy Arnold (musician) has no image.
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hello, . There is no photo in the Wikipedia article Jimmy Arnold (musician). When I do a Google search for "Jimmy Arnold", then a photo of the bluegrass musician of the same name does appear next to some information about the Four Lads musician. That error is the responsibility of Google and Wikipedia has no power to change it. You can add a photo of this person who is deceased to the Wikipedia article if you follow all the requirements regarding the use of non-free images, paying attention to item #10. Hopefully, that will trigger a change in how Google displays an image, but I cannot guarantee it. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Guideline on descriptions of commentators
I'm looking for a guideline on how much detail to provide for commentators on a topic mentioned in the text of an article. I'm looking for something that will guide me between these options: The closest I can find are Inline citation and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Is there a guideline for what I'm looking for?
 * 1) A. Name, PhD, a law professor at the University of Michigan and director of their Center on Law and Politics, writes that...
 * 2) University of Michigan law professor A. Name, PhD, writes that...
 * 3) Law professor A. Name writes that...
 * 4) A. Name writes that...
 * My own guess would be: if the commentator is the subject of a Wikipedia article, then a wikilink is enough to let the reader evaluate how much weight to give to their opinion; otherwise include a few words to show why their opinion might be relevant. Maproom (talk) 18:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Since you are referring to a work by that commentator, you will be providing a citation for your source. The citation will usually have the full name "Name, Albus" as the author, so you need only use "Name writes that..." in the text. If Albus Name is not the author of the cited source, I would extend the citation with a something like "quoting Albus Name, PhD, a law professor at the University of Michigan and director of their Center on Law and Politics". The idea here is that the flow of the inline text should not be broken up, but the reader should be able to get the info if interested from the footnote. As  said, if Name has a Wikipedia article, a blue link will generally suffice. -Arch dude (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Finding a deletion in a haystack
Howdy. I'd like to find where in an article's history a deletion took place. The text I'm searching for was added almost a decade ago. What tools can I exploit to make this search easier? Marching backwards through the History page is daunting, and very labor intensive. Thanks in advance for any help! :) --NightMonkey (talk) 21:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Use binary search. Check a version about halfway back. That'll eliminate half the history. Then repeat. That's what I do. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The top of page histories have a "Revision history search" link. See WikiBlame. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Anne Watson, Mayor of Montpelier
Hi, first-time poster here, so bear with me. I just tried to add Anne Watson to the category, "Mayors of Montpelier, Vermont." She was elected in March 2018, and the page needed to be updated. I made the page, but messed up adding her to the category. It got flagged for deletion. Can anyone help? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mayors_of_Montpelier,_Vermont&redirect=no

http://www.wcax.com/content/news/Watson-takes-over-as-Montpelier-Mayor-477128363.html https://www.rei.com/blog/news/5-of-the-coolest-mountain-town-mayors http://www.watsonformontpelier.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbirge (talk • contribs) 23:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Please not that articles need references, AND THOSE REFERENCES MUST BE IN THE ARTICLE, where readers can find them. Putting references in other parts of Wikipedia, or in edit summaries, doesn't count. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:46, 29 April 2018 (UTC)