Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 April 30

= April 30 =

i have to post about myself on wikipedia. I am a enterprenuer and i have my own software company.
Dear sir/mam ! I am saurabh shukla CEO & Founder of URS PRODUCTIONS GROUP.a IT AND DIGITAL ADVERTISING COMPANY. www.ursgroup0.co.in and many sub websites. I have to post about myself on wikipedia.Please help & suggest me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ursgroup123 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No,, you do not have to post about yourself on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, and it is utterly inappropriate for anyone to come here to write an autobiographical encyclopedia article about themselves. That is a glaring conflict of interest. Have you ever heard about Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn? Those are the kinds of websites where you can promote yourself, and there are many others. My suggestion is to abandon all plans to promote yourself on Wikipedia. It will not end well for you. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Ursgroup123, i've blocked your account name since it is not permitted to have s name that represents a company Jimfbleak - talk to me?  08:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the articles "Yggdrasil" and "Continental drift" are related. What now?
Yggdrasil. The german version of the Yggdrasil article seems to be a sarcastic interpretation of the myth.

Continental drift

May be relevant: Big crack is evidence that East Africa could be splitting in two — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.135.168.44 (talk) 14:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Since you have not explained why or how you think the articles and/or concepts are related, or what you think should happen if they are, it's unclear what you're asking.  General Ization Talk  14:41, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Clarifying what constitutes "Verifiability"
In the opening statement of Wikipedia's James Frederick Ferrier it is stated: He introduced the word epistemology. From this, two tags erupt: not in citation given and citation needed. Perhaps no one cares to know whether Ferrier did in fact neologize. Perhaps the current use of the word cannot be rolled back. On the other hand I am certain the word "epistemology" is used by a great many, and I suggest that she is rare who has understood Ferrier's idea.
 * I contend that the opening statement is a verifiable and significant attribution, i.e. that a satisfactory citation can be posed—with compounding weal to those who understand Ferrier's purpose.
 * All articles herein mentioned can be found in Wikisource.
 * I am unpracticed in this (Wikipedia's) arena. Hence I present my proposal to ask help with how to proceed.
 * I do not understand why comparable reference goes unchallenged in the opening statement of Wikipedia's epistemology. In both articles the issue is whether Ferrier invented, not whether he used the word.
 * Proving origin is difficult since Ferrier's Institutes of Metaphysic does not explicitly state "I invented..." Evidence to decade of origin is lent when epistemology is used extensively in Encyclopædia Britannica 1885 (volume 18) but not at all in its 1860 edition. Google Books Ngram Viewer provides the highest degree of verication available— still short of certainty. The oldest publication of the word "epistemology" is unsigned—the common practice in Victorian journalism. It occurred in an article entitled "Jean Paul"—six years before Institutes. The author asserts the word's invention and its etymology. I find the author's humorous, contentious, piss & vinegar erudition shares many commonalities with Ferrier's "Poetical Translations of Faust"—unsigned (like all Blackwood's Magazine articles) but ascribed to Ferrier by his posthumous editors and the Wellesley Index. Whether the English Review authorship can ever be verified is doubtful to me since the journal was short-lived and never a major player.
 * Does what I have provided here constitute "unpublished original research" and thus is it disqualified from Wikipedia verification? Must we wait for someone of sufficient credentials to declare the inventor to be Ferrier or whomever before a new citation can be made? Klarm768 (talk) 18:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes.
 * I know nothing about these terms, but according to the OED, the word Wissenschaftslehre was "invented" by Johann Gottlieb Fichte, and the English translation was first used in Eclectic Magazine in 1847, seven years before Ferrier first used it. I suggest that the article should say "popularised" rather than "invented".   Dbfi<i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  21:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ( with Maproom, below ) Later note: Sorry, I see you had already found the 1847 usage in Wikisource. Can anyone find a copy of the November 1847 edition of Eclectic Magazine and have a look at page 306?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  21:45, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The earliest use of "epistemology" quoted in OED is by Ferrier in 1856. This, and the quotation itself, strongly imply but do not prove than Ferrier coined the term. Maproom (talk) 21:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The Third Edition has the earlier 1847 cite, and an 1854 cite from Ferrier.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  21:45, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * If Ferrier is not the ONLY (or at least the most plausible) inventor candidate, let expertise state a case otherwise and publish original research to cite. I lack credentials.
 * The Article in September-December 1847 Eclectic Magazine was a reprint of that in ENGLISH REVIEW, Article II of No. XIV, Volume VII: 1847, June, pp. 276-313. The Wissenschaftslehre "translation" was within a parody making fun of Fichte—a way of aping him with pseudo-Greek etymology. It was written at-most-7½-years- or at-least-6½-years-before anything published in 1854. Either way, the work is unsigned. Like Ferrier, its author likes to read and translate German and make fun of pretentious university faculty and the heraldry-crowd-puffery. If Ferrier merely "borrowed the translation," he made himself a plagiarist—the very one who had cut S. T. Coleridge to ribbons for plagiarism (and with it garnering the wrath of popular opinion)—similarly, just for knowing German philosophy (e.g. Fichte and Hegel) rivals also damaged his career.  Epistemology did not become popular until Encyclopædia Britannica legitimized it 20 years after Ferrier's death. Did EB mean the same thing a Ferrier had? Who cares? He had no LIKES on 19th century Facebook proving he must have been wrong. Klarm768 (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clarifying your research on first usage. We can probably never know whether Ferrier had seen the earlier usage or whether he had re-translated the German word.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  07:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * RE: Can anyone find a copy of the November 1847 edition of Eclectic Magazine and have a look at page 306? Here are two copies (Google Books: AMo2AQAAMAAJ and Uw9LAQAAMAAJ https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=AMo2AQAAMAAJ https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=Uw9LAQAAMAAJ) Search for "Jean Paul" rather than the page number. Klarm768 (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The index (on p. xiii) within Eclectic Magazine specifically acknowledges that the article's origin as English Review. Klarm768 (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I hope someone can tag the OED's citation not true and revised citation needed. Klarm768 (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Google doesn't like my browser, but I'll try your link later on a different device. The OED just cites the first usage they can find.  Presumably they didn't have access to the original copy of English Review.  Do you think it was Ferrier who wrote the original article?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  19:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but unless someone can discover the authorship list for English Review it cannot be made certain. I have no suitable credentials, but as mentioned above, I contend that "Jean Paul" shares many commonalities with Ferrier's "Poetical Translations of Faust." Would that an expert in literary-internal-evidence could render an opinion. I have been unable to interest any Ferrier expert in the task. [[User:Klarm768|Klarm768] (talk) 02:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Preferences>Gadgets>Clock
Hello, I discovered the "Add a clock to the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC and provides a link to purge the current page" option in the Gadgets section of the Preferences, I was wondering if there's a way to put your local time in that clock, that'd would be very appreciated. This is possible in the spanish Wikipedia, can someone add it to the english one please? Thanks for your attention.-- Janitoalevic  (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * es:Special:Gadgets shows the code of the Spanish gadget is in es:MediaWiki:Gadget-LocalLiveClock.js. You can load that code here with this in :

mw.loader.load( '//es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-LocalLiveClock.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' );
 * You could also just copy the code which is only one line loading the actual code from mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-LocalLiveClock.js:

mw.loader.load( '//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-LocalLiveClock.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&smaxage=21600&maxage=86400' );
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you :)--Sudamérica-Blue.svg Janitoalevic  (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing inaccuracies and adding info
I tried to edit someone's Wikipedia page as the info on there is incorrect and incomplete but it was deleted as the info did not come from an article. However the info up there is not from any article as the person has told me it is incorrect. Can the person contact Wikipedia directly to give you the correct information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poppy231 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * A statement from the subject of the article is of no use to Wikipedia.  What is needed is a reference to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * (EC)You may remove the unsourced information. You may not add unsourced information to replace it. No, we do not accept information directly form individuals, even the subject individual, but we will accept limited factual information like birth date and nationality from an individual's website. Please see WP:BLP fro our policies on biographies of living people. It appears that you know the individual: please read our policy on conflict of interest (WP:COI). "COI" is not a value judgement, it's just a fact. If you are being compensated in any way by the individual, you must comply with our policy and declare this to comply with our terms of service: see WP:PAID. Since you have a COI, please do not directly edit the article (except for basic facts and/or as indicated in WP:BLP). Instead, make suggestions on the article's talk page. If you have any difficulties with this or anythin else, please come back here and we can try to help. -Arch dude (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I have an article about my late husband
Hello, Volunteers,

I have an article about my late husband Leif Erland Andersson that establishes our marriage. Also I have created an award in his name and would like that to be listed. Can anybody help? thanks, Gloria Andersson McMillanGloLeif12234** (talk) 21:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to bring this up at Talk:Leif Erland Andersson, where they will ask questions about where the article was published, whether the award is notable, and so forth. Be sure when you do go there to fully disclose your conflict of interest in this matter as his widow or ex-wife. Hope this helps. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

How do you use templates from sister projects (eg. Wiktionary)?
See this question, but I would like to use a Wiktionary template in Wikipedia. How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan.plenert.macdonald (talk • contribs) 23:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Only by copying the template into enwiki's template space, I'm afraid, . Help:Template says: "It is not possible to transclude pages between projects (such as different language Wikipedias)—to use a template on another language project, a copy of the template must be created in that project." -ColinFine (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Table color
Where is the blue color of the headings and second column coming from in List of extreme clippers? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * From  etc in stead of.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * And to explain this: ! introduces a header cell  as opposed to a table cell  . I presume there is some CSS which turns a   that colour, though I don't know which CSS file that is in. --ColinFine (talk) 00:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see bold black text on light grey background as I normally see in wikitable headers. What is your browser and your skin at Special:Preferences, and is it also blue if you log out? Is it text or background which is blue? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Chrome, monobook and background, respectively. I must be getting senile. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks y'all. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)