Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 August 25

= August 25 =

William Nassau Molesworth
ref number 1 is  in red please  fix  if you  can Thanks 175.32.106.109 (talk) 04:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * 175.32.106.109, done. You had the access date as 25 August 2108, changed to 2018 now Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:18, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

John Mogg (British Army officer)
Ref number 8  is  also in  red -  sorry. Please help, thanks 175.32.106.109 (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Maproom (talk) 08:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Lists with show / hide tables -- edit ?s
Hello and thanks -- The List of third party performances in United States elections is rich in information about elections, with tables organized as hide / show options. As presently formatted, the page shows a long column of "[show]" with blank captions. I looked at editing but the source code has various complications that I could not easily resolve at mw:Manual:Collapsible elements. When I switched to Visual editor from the Source editor, naively hoping for clarity, alas the Visual editor shows a caption for each hidden table.

Any technical (how to) advice appreciated. I've seen many hide / show entries with simple captions, but the inner workings varies. GeeBee60 (talk) 15:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, take a look at this section of the article now - is this what you mean? I added the captions in this edit, and I can do it to the rest of the page as well. Previously the tables weren't set to have any kind of caption, but I'm not sure why it looks different when using the visual editor.


 * As for the technical explanation (speaking in source editing terms here), adding  to the beginning of a table will add a caption that is visible even when the table is hidden. For this article, previously, the header of the table that contained the text "Notable Third Party Gubernatorial Performances," was a normal table row that was spanned across multiple columns, rather than an actual caption, making the header disappear when the table is hidden. Tables are quite difficult to edit when using the visual editor, particularly with more advanced coding such as this. Let me know if you have any more questions about this. Cheers,-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 18:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and did it for the whole article. You might want to check it, though, to make sure that's what you want.-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 21:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

How to search for HTML coding?
Hey any of you sharp tacks know how to search for HTML coding? WP:SEARCH is just confusing me. I'm trying to find articles that contain strikethroughs, or formatting, so I'm trying to figure out what the proper syntax is for my search request. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ,  works. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, friend. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Take a look to Help:Wikitext for future reference. Thinker78 (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

NETV
Hello there, I 've tried to edit - change the current information about the NETV - I own the trademark and I would like to use it! I edited the page twice and you cancelled it!

please put it right! thank you Simone

NeTV™ Networks, LLC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netv (talk • contribs) 14:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You have been blocked due to your username. First of all, you have a conflict of interest, meaning that you should not edit the article directly - if you have constructive changes you wish to be made, you may use the request edit template on the article's talk page.  There is no reason for us not to use your trademark to refer to your company in an encyclopedic article.  You do not own the article, and removing the content found at NETV is considered disruptive. Thank you. LittlePuppers (talk) 15:30, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Furthermore,, you have repeatedly edited a page about a completely different organisation in a different country. If your company is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense of the word) then we could have an article about it. (It would not be your article, and you would be discouraged from editing it). This would be completely separate from an existing article about another organisation which happens to have the same name. --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Tried to create account
My account MartyGMon would not except the password, but seemed to create the account. Got a temp password by email, but that would not work. Very frustrating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.23.132 (talk) 15:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The account was created, that much can be seen from the logs, but I’m afraid it’s more or less impossible for us normal users to determine with any certainty why your password might not be working. I’d try that temp one again, and if it still doesn’t work request another one. If I recall those temp passwords are time-specific, you have to use them right away. Sorry we can’t be of more help but we can’t see the password interface and obviously you should never be posting details of your password, so there’s only so much we can do from here. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:53, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to log in to the English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin. New users sometimes confuse us with unrelated wikis and think they can log in at Wikia or elsewhere. Usernames are case sensitive (except the first character) but you wrote MartyGMon correctly here. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

How to edit my article's title and opening paragraphs
With Nick Moyes's kind help I have developed my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patients_and_public_involvement_(PPI).

Around the New Year I asked Nick how to change the title by deleting the first two words and changing the PPI to PI (as the field's name has changed); I would also like to minorly edit the opening text (before the Contents box) but it shows no "edit" hotspot.

I'd much appreciate help in either or both regards, please!

Thanks in advance - Eric Deeson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Deeson (talk • contribs) 16:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * it's unclear what the article is meant to be about. The opening sentence says "Public involvement, or PI, is a UK National Health Service initiative"; but most of the body of the article, and most of the sources cited, are about "public involvement" in its everyday sense. You should decide which topic is to be the subject of the article, and remove content related to the other topic, before you request a name change. Maproom (talk) 17:28, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you should read Article titles, which I think also has the information you look for. Thinker78 (talk) 23:43, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Why has the archiving here stopped?
At Talk:Pashtuns. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like the page was moved which confused the bot - I've changed the article to the correct name in the config, which should (hopefully) fix it - I'll check back in a little while to see if it's been archived. I'm not sure how often the bot runs. LittlePuppers (talk) 18:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Another cause of problems might be several broken or manually created user signatures in old posts, which could prevent these specific threads from getting archived. But it's probably best to wait a few days to see the effect of LittlePuppers' fix first. Atleast some threads should get archived now, when the bot is able to work with the changed parameters. GermanJoe (talk) 19:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at the bot's edit history, it should be in 4-9 hours (it runs every 12, and appears to take several to finish). LittlePuppers (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The page has been archived. LittlePuppers (talk) 04:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. There are some problems with unsigned threads, but I can handle those manually. Doug Weller  talk 18:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

A little guide on analysing Wikipedia text locally
I am trying to create a database for word usages in sentences. So, at first I went to the dump page, and downloaded the XML file. It was very large (14 GB compressed), but I managed to open the first few hundreds megabytes of it and take a look at it. It was not that difficult to understand by eyes, but with all the special marks etc, extracting a plain, human-readable sentences (and then I will extracts words from them to create maps) would take me a lot of coding.

So, I thought I could use existing code to save time. There was a .NET project (I prefer .NET/C#), but its Git page showed that it is an SQL dump parser. And I am not sure where I can download the equivalent SQL dump for the XML I had downloaded. I do not need pictures, history, or other meta data; I just need the article text (including the title, categories). Could you tell me which data file is the best for my scenario, and where I can download it? Sin Jeong-hun (talk) 19:32, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I urge you to try checking at this location:data dumps


 * In particular, try contacting Ariel Glenn, whose contact information is on that page, and who knows a lot about dumps and should be able to help you.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I hate table markup
I've messed up the closer on the table in List of cosplayers; can somebody undo my mistake? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  20:01, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed it (although I don't entirely understand tables either). It looks like you removed the "|}" from the end of the table. LittlePuppers (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Writing a wiki about a public figure
Hello, last year one of Wikipedia team deleted an entire wiki page entry I created for an artist that I represent. Please advise how to create the same page again without any cancellation from Wikipedia admin team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilalrahal (talk • contribs) 21:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have to ask you to read Conflict_of_interest, which, in a nutshell, will tell you that you shouldn't do that.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:18, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I assume you created it under a different username, as you have made no edits(other than this discussion) with this account so I can't locate the page you are discussing(its name would be helpful). You need to read and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID before you do anything else. (the latter is mandatory for paid editors like yourself) The best thing would be for you to not attempt to create a page about your client, as Wikipedia is not intended as a means of publicity or promotion.  If this artist is sufficiently notable, someone independent of them will likely take note of them and create an article. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)