Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 August 9

= August 9 =

Adding external links to an article from a PDF file located on my computer
If I have a PDF file that I have saved (downloaded) to my personal computer, how exactly do I add that PDF file as an "external link" in a Wikipedia article? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * If it is relevant to the article, then you would link to the original location, not to your download. If the original location no longer exists, and if there are no copyright issues, then possibly you could upload it to WP:Commons and link to it there.   Dbfirs  06:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It is an official government report from the State of Florida.  But, it is rather "old" (from 2009), so it is no longer posted on their website.  How exactly do I upload it to WP:Commons?  I have no idea.  I have done plenty of external links before, but not one that links from my own personal computer.  I just usually link to a website address.  Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 13:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * If it is no longer on the website is it possible to link to an archive like the Intenet Wayback Machine? RJFJR (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. I am not "tech savvy" when it comes to this type of stuff.  I quickly looked at that website.  It says: Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future.  So, that is moot, no?   There is no web page "now" for me to "capture".    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think you will be able to upload it to commons anyway, even if it's not still on their website, it's certain to be copyright Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Huh? Aren't "official government reports" in the public domain, and freely accessible, and not encumbered by copyright?  Isn't that the whole point of "public records" and "FOIA" (Freedom of Information"), etc.?    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I just reviewed the document. I can't imagine that it is copyrighted and unavailable for public consumption.  There are no copyright symbols or notices, like one usually sees on books, etc.  It just looks like a police accident type of report.  A standard form, where they check off certain boxes, and they fill out the blank sections for name, date, time, location, etc.     Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Copyright status of work by the Florida government, "[the state of Florida] and its agents are not permitted to claim copyright on its public records unless the legislature specifically permits it", with "public records" being quite broadly defined, so it may not be subject to copyright. I would guess there might be a copyright statement in the document itself if an exemption has been made or claimed. IANAL, however, and can't vouch for any of this. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 14:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that helpful link. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The relevant fact is that a court has declared that the cited "not permitted" law means that the documents are in the public domain. Without that court ruling, the document copyright would be assumed to rest with the state of Florida. By contrast with the US federal government, State governments (and lower-level) in general still claim copyright, as do governments of other countries. -Arch dude (talk) 17:25, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I am sure that copyright is not an issue here. So, back to my question: how do I link the PDF file from my computer to a Wikipedia page? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The short answer is that you can't. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * You can't unless your computer is running as a server permanently connected and available world-wide on its own url. You will need to upload it to Wikimedia Commons or maybe to Internet Archive if the Wayback Machine doesn't have it.   D<i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  15:51, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Joseph, if you can share the pdf document with me on email, I can probably make up a citation. Also, can you share with me here itself the original link from where you downloaded the article (even if the link is dead now)? Thanks, Lourdes  16:03, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will send you an email.  Just so you know:  This was a PDF file that was linked on an official Florida State website.  That was many years ago (2009).  I never downloaded the file either at that time; or even more recently.  I never downloaded the file at all.  When I found out about the file (a few days ago), I emailed the official Florida State offices.  In response, they emailed me the PDF file, which I then downloaded to my personal computer.  It is sitting here on my personal computer.  And I want to add it as an "external link".  Specifically, to this Wikipedia article:  Not Without Hope.  I want to add it as an "External link" at the bottom of the article, so that people can read the PDF file.  I don't want just the citation.  But, rather, the PDF itself to be available and accessible to readers.  Thanks!     Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Actually, here is the "dead link", also. It is Footnote #11 in this article: Marquis Cooper.  The dead link is here:  .   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:36, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * A source does not need to be online to be considered reliable. It merely needs to be theoretically accessible to a member of the public: see WP:RS. You may cite the document by its offici8al title and publisher, as above, even if it is not online. This assumes that the FF&WCC has the document on file. -Arch dude (talk) 17:47, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, that may be so. But, I am not worried about citing the document.  I want to post the document as an "External link", so that others can read the report.  That was the point of my original question.  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it one of these:
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, exactly! That is the report!  Thanks.  I think the first version is a "draft" or unofficial report.  And the second, a final "official" report. But -- yes --- that is definitely it!  Thanks!   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:30, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I just sent you an email. However, that email form did not allow the capability to attach a PDF file to the email.  Please advise.  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Jay Panchamiya- The Pianist
Jay Panchamiya was born on 24th april 2003 in akola ,maharashtra. he started his musical career at age of just 10 yrs. firstly his parents did not support him to learn and make career in music but after looking his way towards success they started supporting him. jay plays various musical instruments like keyboard,dholak,octopad,drums,congo and etc. he had many music teachers in life but firstly he refers as first teacher to his mother as she taught him playing keyboard at first stage. Upto 10th std jay played many programs in his school (PODAR INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL) where he was also a band captain and his music teacher m/s PALLAVI BADHE supported him alot. By this experience he practised and without professionally learning he started singing and a youtube channel where he got success on his first video by 4k views.

Jay faced may problems and difficulties in life but finally he came up to this stage by his practise,love and passion towars music. He got many certificates for music and passed grade levels in piano.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay panchamiya (talk • contribs) 2018-08-09T09:21:15 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not a place to write about yourself - even on your User page (you can share about yourself as a Wikipedia editor there, but not srite an autobiography). It is an encyclopaedia, which contains articles about notable subjects - that is, subjects which have already been written about in published sources. Please have a look at the links I have placed on your user page. I suggest you also look at advice for younger editors. --ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * . Hi, I don't recommend you doing that per the comments from User:ColinFine. Your situation is a conflict of interest, and also, without secondary sources to prove notability, your article will have no chance of surviving WP:AFD. Thus, writing an article about yourself would not be advisable. Thank you. The Duke of Nonsense What is necessary for thee? 12:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Infinix headquater
In the article Infinix Mobile it is told that "Infinix Mobility is a Hong Kong-based smartphone manufacturer that was founded in 2012. The company has research and development centres in Paris and Shanghai. "

But in the infobox it is told that headquarters of this company located in Pudong New District, Shanghai China. Which one is correct ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.226.191.225 (talk • contribs) 2018-08-09T09:39:21 (UTC)


 * Hello. You will need sources in order to prove one of them correct. Please make sure your sources passes WP:42. Thanks. The Duke of Nonsense What is necessary for thee? 12:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia's wordmark typeface
Before I ask the Wikimedia Foundation directly, I'd like to find an appropriate place to ask.

Looks like it's time to replace Wikipedia's official wordmark typeface (Latin, Cyrillic and Greek) for its logo. The current typeface, Linux Libertine, does not support localised letterforms (like Bulgarian Cyrillic, Macedonian Cyrillic and Serbian Cyrillic), and seems no longer updated.

Also, for CJK characters, shouldn't Source Han Serif (a free typeface from Adobe) be the official wordmark typeface? It was developed so the Chinese characters, Hangul and Kana have consistent look. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 14:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See Brand —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And commons:Wikipedia/2.0 —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the tip. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 14:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Relatively new and trying to edit a photo
Hi there, I am updating the page of a non-profit in Toronto and have gotten stuck. I know the organization has a new logo, but because I didn't take the photo I'm unable to upload it myself. They currently have a logo on the page that's 5+ years old and it would be good to update it. Are there ways around this? Thanks!Droshis (talk) 14:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi does the new logo appear on their official website? Per WP:NFC we are allowed to copy an official logo from the owner's website to use on one directly relevant article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, yes it does! I've tried to upload it before but have gotten an error message saying that it can't be confirmed that I took the photo. How would I go about uploading it another way? Thanks so much for your help.
 * Since that logo is copyrighted by the organization, not you, you cannot assert ownership of the copyright and you therefore cannot grant a CC-BY-SA license to Wikimedia commons. Therefore, you cannot upload it there. However, the English Wikipedia allows you to upload a non-free-use file under the fair-use doctrine. to upload to the English Wikipedia file site, hit the "upload file" link in the "tools" section in the left column on any page, then follow the instruction. When asked, do not say it is yours, but instead say that you assert fair use. I know it's complicated, but we did not make these laws, we merely try to follow them. -Arch dude (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Direct upload to enwiki is restricted to (auto)confirmed people only, . Which the OP is not. However I would say that the new logo is below the threshold of originality for Canada and is fine to upload to Commons under PD-textlogo. --Majora (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In any case, I've uploaded it to Commons and placed it on the page. See File:Canadian Club of Toronto logo.png --Majora (talk) 20:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Catalan or Spanish
Hi! You'll guys see, after some days arguing with people in different pages of Wikipedia, i decided to come here to discuss about this problem.

In Spain, we are 17 different regions and in every region we say that we are from that place in this way: I am from the Cantabria region, so I'm Cantabrian, I'm from Madrid, so I'm Madrileño, I'm from the Basque Country so I'm Basque, I'm from Catalonia, so I'm Catalan... etc, but at the end, this means that we are from that region, not a nationality because the only nationality that the legal system recognices is Spanish.

Having said that, when we create a page for a Spanish person in wikipedia we put at the beggining that he is a Spanish actor, politician, judge... but some people here change that putting that for example, because he is born in the Catalan region, he's Catalan not Spanish (ignoring that saying that that person is Spanish integrate that he's also Catalan).

I'm trying to explain them that in Spain we don't considerer more nationalities that the Spanish one, so we are Spanish (like in USA, they are americans but we don't say they are new yorkers in the case of the people of New York) but they change it all time so before to start a edition war or to report them for vandalism i want to ask what to do. Does not violate WP:NPOV because objetivily, Spain only recognices Spaniards? TheRichic (talk) 16:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We have this problem in several countries. Probably the biggest issue for the English Wikipedia is the United Kingdom.I don't think we have a Wikipedia-wide policy. However, there is at least a minor consensus that "nationality" is a personal choice of self-identity, while "citizenship" conveys legal status. For example, the infobox person and its derivitaves have both a "nationality" parameter and a "citizenship" parameter. You should take this up at WikiProject Spain to see if a consensus has developed. If nationality is self-identified, then each article that uses the regional "nationality" should have a reference to a reliable source that shows that the subject does in fact self-identify as that nationality, and yoyu should bring this up on each article talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Guidance can be found Manual of Style/Biography which notes "the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable" It later states "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability..." Which says we don't scrub the lead of mentioning Ethnic identities like "Catalan", but rather we'd need a reason beyond being merely true; it would need to be both true and central to the main narrative of their biography; for example Carles Puigdemont mentions both his residency (Spain) and his ethnic identity (Catalan), because as a pro-independence Catalan politician, that Catalan identity is central to his identity.  However, a resident of Catalonia who self-identifies as Catalan may not necessarily bear mentioning in the lead if being Catalan is not a major part of his biographical narrative.  Of course it can, and should be discussed later in the article, but Wikipedia guidance tends to indicate that the defining characteristic is national residency, citizenship, etc. with ethnic or nationality considerations only coming into play where needed.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 18:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

delete my pages https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_Karya_Guna_2_Bekasi
delete my pages https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_Karya_Guna_2_Bekasi
 * this is the Helpdesk for English-language Wikipedia. We have no control over Indonesian Wikipedia. You could try asking here. Maproom (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Update logo and other text on a Private School's page
Hi all

We need to update some inaccurate data that is being shown on Wikipedia regarding Country Day School Costa Rica. Our logo was changed some time ago but the one in the page is obsolete. Also, we need to remove a facebook page that is being created from this article and we would like to remove it.

Is it possible to do this?

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeancarlo_villalta (talk • contribs)
 * While we prefer to have most files on Wikimedia Commons, a copyrighted logo cannot go there, so please upload your new logo as a file to the English Wikipedia files area instead. Look for "upload file" under "tools" in the left-hand column of any page. After you have uploaded your logo, (almost) any editor can replace the logo on the article page. However you should (probably) not do this yourself, as you have an unavoidable conflict of interest: see WP:COI, and probably WP:PAID. Therefore, you should declare your COI, and (if applicable), you must declare your paid status to comply with our terms of service. Then, you can make suggestions for updates in a new section on the article's talk page, and add the magic incantation request edit (with the curly braces) to attract the attention of an editor who does not have a COI. If you encounter problems, please come back here.-Arch dude (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that Wikipedia has no control of how our articles are used by Facebook. Our articles are copyrighted under the CC-BY-SA license, so anyone can use them anywhere if they attribute us. The best you can hope for is that they will eventually pick up the changes an editor makes here. If this does not work, you will need to contact Facebook. -Arch dude (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Blue link without an article
I was looking for an article with information about the disappearance of Mollie Tibbets. When I entered her name in the search box, it took me to List of people who disappeared mysteriously which had just a bullet item about her disappearance. Her name appears as a blue link, implying that there is a stand-alone article about her, but clicking on it only causes a jump to a random spot in List of people who disappeared mysteriously. I am using an Iphone, so I suppose it could be a browser issue, but in the past when someone without a standalone article was added with brackets to make it a link, it would stand out as a red link, possibly spurring someone to create the article. Conversely, if a name added to a list displays as a blue link, it creates the impression that the person’s notability is already established by them having an article. Edison (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Mollie Tibetts is currently a redirect to List of people who disappeared mysteriously. So if you search her name, then it redirects to that page. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Mollie Tibetts is a redlink, but Mollie Tibbetts is the redirect to which you refer. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the Wiki-link from the List of people who disappeared mysteriously section - it was a circular redirect. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry for mistyping the name here. Accuracy is a challenge on the IPhone. And I have always been challenged by single or doubled consonants which are homophones. Edison (talk) 14:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata and duplicate display of geophysical coordinates
Article Tsing Yi North Bridge shows the coordinates displayed twice at upper-right above the infobox. On the left sidebar it shows a Wikidata item line item. In that wikidata info I do see the coordinates listed. Is one display copy of the coordinates then coming from the Wikidata info via the infobox template? And therefore, should the

line at end of article be deleted, to show coordinates only once? (tested and works) And that line should have been deleted when Wikidata was enabled for this article?

How would one search for instances where this goof has happened? Is there an obvious in-page flag to check for "wikidata enabled"? Shenme (talk) 21:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Posting a Picture
Hello! I am working with a professional content editor to update a Wiki page of my client. I am trying to upload a headshot that my client owns and gave me permission to use. Can you please let me know how I can do this? I am happy to forward the email from my client including the headshot and his approval. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmagaraci (talk • contribs)
 * Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID first. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Permission for YOU to use is insufficient. You will need to upload that picture to Wikimedia commons, and that will require that the copyright holder license the picture using the CC-BY-SA license, which allows anyone to use the picture if the user attributes it to the copyright holder. Permission from the subject of the picture is not desired or required, unless the subject is the copyright holder. I do hope that the "professional content editor" has not misrepresented the situation. No paid editor has any more privileges than any of our many thousands of unpaid volunteers. -Arch dude (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Bonnie and Clyde problem
I recently created an article, Escape of Viktor Pestek and Siegfried Lederer from Auschwitz. Based on my understanding of Wp:Event, this seems to be a clear cut case of WP:1E, because all of RS coverage that I can find only discribes Pestek and Lederer in relation to the escape. However, on the cs and de wikis, there are separate articles for Pestek (Wikidata Q126548) and Lederer (Q11992523) and I'm not sure how to establish appropriate interwiki links. I read the relevant Wikidata policy and tried the recommended solution, adding a wikidata parameter to the infoboxes, but that's not supported on enwiki. Anyway, I just wanted to know the enwiki best practice for dealing with this situation. Thanks in advance! Catrìona (talk) 23:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)