Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 February 20

= February 20 =

Alessandro Victoria
I added to the website https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoria  the name  Alessandro Victoria Italian sculptor d.1608  but  Alessandro Victoria should be a link to an existant Wikipedia page  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Vittoria ; how to do?

VittoriaǀAlessandro Vittoria — Preceding unsigned comment added by IthinkIknow (talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Alessandro Vittoria; maybe Alessandro_Vittoria Preceding unsigned comment added by IthinkIknow (talk • contribs)

"The article you're looking for doesn't exist." But it does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Vittoria IthinkIknow (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You spelled it incorrectly. I fixed it. Seems your username may be a little premature, lol.  He  iro 02:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks links are hidden
Information to users coming here: Thanks links are currently deliberately hidden due to a bug where the wrong editor is thanked. See Village pump (technical). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

New Page Title Typo'd
I just attempted to create the page Whitehorse Formation (Canada) and I typo'd the title as Whitehores Formation (Canada). Could someone please correct it for me? Georgialh (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have moved the page and added a link at top of Whitehorse Formation which is about a United States formation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Still thinks this is a wonderful illustration of how Wikipedia works (and doesn't work). A new article can be created by someone who doesn't have the ability to fix the title. :(Naraht (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You must be autoconfirmed to move pages but currently also to create articles: Autoconfirmed article creation trial. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Georgialh is WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED and could have moved it themself, something they have correctly done before. PrimeHunter was being helpful, and moved it for them. Why wasn't a redirect left behind and categorized as an R from misspelling? Sam Sailor 11:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanx,, I didn't know. Yes, it is a help desk. :) I use a more narrow definition for R from misspelling, that doesn't really include most typos, but rather just, "this is what I intended to type, but it turns out I was wrong on how it is spelled".Naraht (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Administrators like me can move pages without leaving a redirect which would have qualified as Criteria for speedy deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Administrators and page movers ... &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 13:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you all for the info. I wasn't sure I could do it correctly and didn't want to mess it up. Your help is much appreciated. Georgialh (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Unable to edit
Bold text Why i am can not able to change any page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A R Singhal (talk • contribs) 06:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, difficult to say without more information. Can you describe a particular problem you've encountered or give a link to a page where you are having difficulty. You seem to have made several edits according to your contributions. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, perhaps the number of warnings, at your talk page, in respect of disruptive editing, might have something to do with it. Eagleash (talk) 06:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing the article Vasily Likhachyov
Need help. I tried to add this table to the article Vasily Likhachyov, wich was identical to similiar table from other Russian politician Mikhail Fradkov but it is not displayed properly. Tell me please what is wrong about it.

Lyupant (talk) 09:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Simply that the Gorky wikilink was unterminated - fixed in this edit --David Biddulph (talk) 10:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Adding multiple connected users
I have added 10 connected users to Talk:Frederic Thomas Nicholls without a problem but the next two are not showing, can anybody work out what I have done wrong? It's also a puzzle to me why there are so many SPA connected users on this article, socks? Theroadislong (talk) 09:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * As the template says "This template is capable of listing up to 10 editors". Have you tried using a separate instance of the template fo get another 10? Meters (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC).
 * Yes, that works. Meters (talk) 09:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ahh thank you! It's clearly unusual to get more than 10 conflicted users! Theroadislong (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * First time I've ever seen it. Meters (talk) 10:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC)`

The World Of Tagore
i want to create a new article about a new upcoming Bollywood movie, which name is "The World Of Tagore" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mijanursrkr (talk • contribs) 09:46, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Creating a new article is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new users to get a few months' experience improving existing articles before they try it. In any case, please start by reading your first article. Then look for reliable published sources, unconnected with the film or its producers, which have talked in depth about it. If the film is not yet made, there may not be many of these, and it may be a case of TOOSOON. If you can find several such sources, then you can start a draft. Write your draft entirely from what you find in the reliable published sources (though in your own words): remember that Wikipedia is not interested, not even a little bit, in what you know, or think, or believe, any more than it is interested in what I know or any random person on the Internet knows. All the content in an article, every single fact mentioned, should come from a reliable published source, and most of it from sources unconnected with the subject.
 * Looking at your sandbox, User:Mijanursrkr/sandbox/The World Of Tagore, I have blanked the "Production" section, because that is a direct copy of http://penncamera.in, in violation of copyright. You need at the very least to rewrite it in your own words; but actually, if material about the production company is relevant to the article (I am not sure that it is) it should come from a source independent of the company - Wikipedia has hardly any interest in what anybody says about themselves. When I saw that text with its "We", I at first thought you were connected with the company, but then realised it looked like a cut and paste, and went looking for the source of the copyright material. But if you are in any way connected with the company, you also need to read COI. --ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Gower, 1st Baronet
In your article on the above you state that the 1st Baronet's father was a military engineer and one time Marshal of Berwick whose name was also Thomas. I have recently found a reference that shows that tis may be the wrong assumption. The reference comes from the 'Peerage of England' Volume III, dated 1776, and gives the father of the 1st Baronet as the eldest son of Sir Thomas Marshal of Berwick. Please see following:-

Thomas eldest son of Sir Edward was constituted on the 16th of July 35 Henry VIII Receiver general of all and singular the honours &c appointed for payment of the soldiers in garison at Berwick and Supervisor of all the buildings and fortifications of that town as also the castle of Warke He was likewise Marshal of Berwick and in 1 Edward VI being Captain of a band of Light horsemen in that army which then inwaded Scotland under the command of the of Somerset he had the misfortune to be taken prisoner with Sir Ralph Bulmer Knight and Robert Crouch whom Hollinshed mentions to be men of right good courage and approved service and at this time disressed by their own too much forwardness and not by the enemies force He was afterwards made Governor of Aymouth fort six miles distant from Berwick also master of the ordnance in that expedition made into Scotland in 2 Elizabeth By his first wife Anne daughter of James Maleverer Esq he had no issue but by his second Barbara daughter to John Baxter Esq he had Thomas his son and heir Henry William and Edward Isabel Jane and Barbara Which Thomas married Mary daughter of Gabriel Fairfax of Steeton in com Ebor Esq and had issue Thomas his son and heir Robert Edward and two daughters His eldest son Thomas Gower of Stittenham was 7 eight weeks old in September 1584 and having been knighted by King James the First was created a Baronet 2 June 1620 18 Jac I He married Anne daughter and heir to John Doyley of Merton in com Oxon Esq and by her who died the 28th of Oétober 1633 and was buried in the church of St Clements Danes had issue Sir Thomas Gower his successor Doyley Gower a Colonel of Dragoons in the service of King Charles the First and other sons.

Sir Thomas Gower was knighted at Whitehall the 24th of 1730 and succeeded his father in his estate and title of Baronet He was a sufferer for his loyalty to King Charles the First having been twice High Sheriff of Yorkshire and attended on the King when he was shut out of Hull and raised a regiment of Dragoons of which his brother before mentioned was Colonel He had two wives Elizabeth daughter of Sir William Howard of Naworth Castle sister to Charles Earl of Carlisle and 2dly Frances daughter and coheir of Sir John Leveson of Haling in Kent and of Lilleshul in com Salop by Frances his wife daughter and heir of Sir Thomas Sondes of Throwley in Kent elder brother of Sir Michael Sondes Bart By which last Lady this Sir Thomas Gower had issue two sons Edward and William ancestor to the present Lord Gower also a daughter Frances

Explanation - meaning of '16th of July 35 Henry VIII' = the thirty fifth year of the reign of King Henry the 8th which calculates as 1544 (1509+35). Likewise '1 Edward VI' equates to 1547. Therefore Sir Thomas Gower Marshal of Berwick must have been born around 1520 at the latest.

This would mean that the Father of Sir Thomas Gower 1st Baronet was NOT Thomas Marshal of Berwick but his son, also called Thomas. Since the 1st Baronet was born about 1584 then IF Thomas Gower (Marshal of Berwick) had been the father then he would been aged at least sixty, unlikly for these times. thew only other explanation would have been if both father and son had been Marshal's of Berwick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.75.92 (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Thank you for your contribution. A better place to discuss it would be the talk page Talk:Sir Thomas Gower, 1st Baronet. If you can improve the article, you are welcome to edit it directly; but you may need to be cautious in this instance. Wikipedia does not accept original research: you could cite the new information you have discovered, but any kind of argumentation or conclusion is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article, unless it is summarising the argument or conclusion from a single reliably published source; so you would need to get your research published in a peer-reviewed journal, or at least one with a reputation for editorial control, before it could be inserted into the article. Since the claim that Gower was the son of Marshal is cited to Collins, that should not be removed without (at least) another reliable source that disputes it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

my article showing Draft in prefix of name
hi i wrote one article it showing draft in prefix of orticle name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetsuresh777 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . What you have written is a draft article, Draft:ADHIRAJARAM. It is not yet an article, and if you moved it to article space now, I am not sure it would survive, as it fails in many ways to meet the criteria for an acceptable Wikipedia article. Some of the problems I see are:
 * It has some references, but they are presented as bare URLs, so it is difficult for a reader to evaluate them, and see whether or not they are the reliable independent sources that Wikipedia required. Please ss Referencing for beginners
 * The references are not cited inline, so the reader cannot tell where particular claims come from. This is required especially important in biographies of living persons.
 * The tone is unacceptable in several places: a Wikipedia article must be a neutral summary of what the reliable sources say about a subject. Any kind of advocacy is forbidden. There should be not one word in the article which is evaluative of the subject (either for or against), except in a direct quotation of a reliable source unconnected with the subject.
 * Part of it seems to be notes to yourself about how to write the article. This is fine in a draft, but unacceptable in an article.
 * There are a number of lesser problems with the formatting, such as: don't use all capitals in an article title; don't embolden a whole paragraph; there are more appropriate infoboxes, such as infobox politician.
 * I suggest that you read your first article carefully, as well as all the other pages I have linked to above, and start editing your draft to conform to the standards required. (Your draft is a lot better than many people's first attempt, I may say). I have added the AFC draft header to it, so when you think it is ready, you can pick the button to submit it for review.
 * Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * ColinFine, you are mis-stating the BLP policy with respect to when inline citations are “required”. Check again, looking out for the words “challenged or likely to be challenged”. First versions of articles including BLPs are rarely required to have inline citations, as much as they are desirable. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies,, I overstated that point; but my other comments still stand. Thanks, . --ColinFine (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

wikipedia page for organization
I am belonging to a company and i want to develop a wiki page for the company. Can anyone guide me to develop a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyaRajasekar (talk • contribs) 12:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * PriyaRajasekar, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also guidance for editors with conflicts of interest, also see WP:Paid editing Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

i need to add picture
hi i want to upload image — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.179.199 (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * See here and this policy Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

AfC reviewing
How can I review a draft?  L293D  ( ✉ ) 13:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Instructions are loctated at WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions. -- Jayron 32 13:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

My organization's name is a link in an article - can't create page
Dear Help desk experts,

I'm trying to start editing an article about the organization I work for. Unfortunately, when I type in our name in the search bar, it leads me to an article where the organization is mentioned (NOT an article/page about my organization). Since the organization's name doesn't appear as a red link, I am not able to start creating an article about it, which is very frustrating.

The name of my organization is "International Cocoa Initiative (ICI)". The article, in which ICI is mentioned, is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harkin%E2%80%93Engel_Protocol#2005_progress_and_Joint_Statement

How do I manage to create an article about the organization itself?

Many thanks for your help on how to proceed.

Best, Marta — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICI cocoa (talk • contribs) 14:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The answer is that you should probably not do so. Wikipedia has rather stringent conflict of interest guidelines that discourage people from creating or editing articles about entities they have a close relationship with, such as employers.  -- Jayron 32 14:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * And further to the general advice regarding conflict of interest, there are mandatory requirements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Kulala page
Dear sir/Man I request you to kindly block kulala page.It has information far from truth and pointless. The first person who created the page was the original one.But after several edits it has become a false page. source citations is also false. Kindly consider my suggestion or please revert the page back to original ,the way original author has written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talk • contribs) 15:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems you have a close connection with the page and have been counselled previously in this respect. The one source currently in the page appears reliable, but if you have suggestions as to changes you wish to see made, please make them at the talk page, where you will need to provide verification for your changes. On another note please do not start a discussion in multiple locations. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Eagleash (talk) 16:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@engleash sir I am thankful for your suggestions.I request you who is the superior authority to complain about a particular pages. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talk • contribs) 15:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * We are a flat organization. If you can show your complaint shows merit, then we we help you to escalate it. Until then, you're in the only place, to raise your queries, on the editing of a particular article. Aspro (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@aspro thank you c much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talk • contribs) 16:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

VCSSGOC Chairman
People silhouettes on globe, earth globe spinning on a maple level, and he created the path and dared to do something for the globe. Earth something innovative in the global platform for the India and for the universe, by selective, & quite impossible to definite possible certainties. No doubt he will be known as a unique view details and outstanding individual in the world. As the hr accounting, whit new theories will be invented by his highness, he is the founder of the VCSSGOC start up and worker of SANSARCHAAYA, Universal Peace Beggar Society, Universal Peace Force, VCSSGOC UNIVERSAL RECOMMENDATION COMMITTEE he is the thinker of CUIIAIFRFTL and CUIICRAPL. He is also the thinker of Recommendation Committee. He is working on 3800 books each translated version more than 100 languages including audio and video books. 11000 research papers, and also 125000 renowned articles on village to global issues parallel. His highness is the chief editor at core India finance & international finance and, economic and auditing journal. Chief editor of the times of united states of India and the universe times etc. And He is handling various assignments in the field of restructuring & rehabilitation of companies, takeover, mergers & acquisitions and business and brand valuation. He has specialized in the fields of accounting & audit, financial & management consulting, business valuations, mergers & acquisitions and business advisory services. And years of leadership experience in government spanning revenue via VCS-SGOC business project development and VCS-SGOC research work voluntarily, law and order via legal library web support system, development work, rural infrastructure, finance, housing & urban development, industries, municipal affairs and relief at VCS-SGOC in a open platform manner. He is associated with the development of cost & management information systems for more than 150 companies ( in implied/expressed manner ) covering more than 45 industries. In addition, he is closely associated with turning around of many large Corporate, focusing on systems improvement with cost reduction approach. He is closely involved with several national level financial institutions. Recommendations of the committee are well received / accepted, being implemented by the concerned agencies. He will be/ is associated with more than 28 high level committees as chairman / member both at national & state level at VCS-SGOC. Restructuring committee of state level PSUS, expert committee on co-op. Credit institutions, fiscal reforms implementation committee at VCS-SGOC. He will be/is also associated with the development of cost accounting record rules for many industries as a future member of informal advisory committee, determent Of corporate affairs, Government Of India. His efforts in the furtherance of costing & management accounting profession in India were recognized by the institute of cost & works accountants of India (ICWAI), ICAI, ICSI . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Universalpublicauthority (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Lua stuff, where do I find the code?
I'm used to following template chains, but how do I look up Lua code? For instance, Template:Chart states: " ". Where do I find this TreeChart code? Thanks! :) Banaticus (talk) 18:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Never mind, found it at Module:TreeChart. Banaticus (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Revolutionary Left
Is it possible that the article I created and submitted last year has been forgotten? It is Draft:Revolutionary Left. It was turned down for copyright infringement but that was rectified and then it was resubmitted and now nothing for two months. I know there is a backlog but all the articles submitted on the same day appear to be dealt with.Vahvistus (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a current backlog of up to two months. The page appears to have ben re-submitted at the beginning of January so may still be in the system. There is a note that it has been submitted a second time but the familiar 'awaiting review' notice is missing. Has it, in fact, submitted correctly? Also there is no chronological order in the review process. Eagleash (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My first draft contained a copyright violation which then had to be removed from the history before I could continue editing. When that happened I clicked resubmit but the copyright violation template dominates everything, the note that says it has been cleaned does not stand out. I am concerned that this is putting off editors when the article is safe with numerous msm references.Vahvistus (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My mistake; I was convinced the notice was missing but it is there. You'll just have to be patient. Eagleash (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: Page now deleted, seemingly at author's req. Eagleash (talk) 15:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I need help fixing an incorrect usage of Template:Refn
Hi! I just added a Refn tag to Naagin (TV series) in this edit. In place of the reference/note combination that I intended to add, I now get this error. If someone can help me figure out what I did wrong and how I can fix it, that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed by adding  to the Refn call. The problem and its solution is explained in the first bullet point at Help:Template. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing the problem, and for letting me know how to avoid it in the future! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Bobby houston partick thistle
Inducted in to hall of fame same night as Doug Somner but does not appear on the list of inductees — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.0.145 (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Please provide links to articles you wish to discuss. If a reliable source is available you are free to add him to the list. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Eagleash (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like Template:Partick Thistle F.C. Hall of Fame Naraht (talk) 21:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually in the main article for Partick Thistle F.C.. I added a ref to the hall of fame on the team's website and added Bobby Houston. The original editor (or someone else) can add the other people on that reference page.Naraht (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Adjust infobox width
Hello, how can I adapt the width of Template:History of the British Isles to that of Template:History of England?--Boczi (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * When I look at e.g. England in the Late Middle Ages, the two templates have exactly the same width. (Setting the thumb File:Rivers & Caxton Presenting book to Edward IV.JPG to a width of ~260px would make it line-up nicely give or take a pixel.) Sam Sailor 12:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting! However, I'm sorry to say that with me, they do not have exactly the same width: Template:History of the British Isles is wider than Template:History of England, in fact, and this can be seen well exactly in the article you refer to.--Boczi (talk) 12:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, with the Vector skin loaded, they line up nicely, but they don't with Monobook. Which skin are you using? Sam Sailor 13:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Classic vector (without the 2014 typo refreshment)!--Boczi (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I just tried in Firefox and IE (Edge) as well as Chrome, and the result is still good on a PC. Perhaps posting at WP:VPT will give you more qualified response. :-) Best, Sam Sailor 13:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

games
I c annot load games — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.165.163 (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't have games.
 * If you were talking about games on some other platform, outside of this site, then you'll want to try the computing reference desk. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

microsoft academic template
Over the years I have published numerous articles on academics and linked through to Microsoft Academic Search using Template:AcademicSearch. This link is no longer working. Is there a template I can use for the rebranded Microsoft Academic? For example: See Peter Mitchell Grant - Peter Grant on Microsoft Academic. Thanks.Gomach (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I updated the template to use Microsoft Academic. However all IDs changed and all articles that use it need an update. Ruslik_ Zero 20:08, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you very much. I have started updating the articles I created.Gomach (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I can't thank anyone
Hi! My thank button is missing. Does anyone know why? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * There's an ongoing issue and the function has been temporarily disabled. nagualdesign 21:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know! I've weighed in on the issue at the link that you gave me. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * With technical issues like this it's probably for the best to just leave them to it. nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 22:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There's nothing that I can do, plus I have no technical expertise at the level required, so even  if I could do something about this, I'd probably be better off avoiding it. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The Thanks system is working again now. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 23:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)