Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 February 23

= February 23 =

Baker House
My new edit is ready in my sandbox. How to make an article of it? This is my first (new page) edit in en.wiki - I write in fi.wikipedia. --Weird1e (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. It looks like we already have that particular topic covered at List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology undergraduate dormitories. You may want to read Your first article for more information on creating articles here. Beeblebrox (talk)


 * No new page opens when I click that link or the red Baker House, I just get to this. I have red the information and I am an old user in the Finnish fi.wikipedia. --Weird1e (talk) 03:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I just clicked the link in my reply and it took me straight to the content on this building, so I’m not sure what the issue is there. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I also went ahead and created a redirect page at that redlink. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Baker House should probably be a disambiguation page, since there are several articles (and probably many buildings) with that name or something similar. nagualdesign 03:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It is. They used a piped link with a longer title in their comment. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah.. My mistake. nagualdesign 03:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is this list, okey and no need for an individual article. But the problem still exists: I cannon start a new page whatever I try. I wonder if the problem is my user name? Can any of the admins give some help? How can I get contact to the admins? --Weird1e (talk) 06:30, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * At this English-language Wikipedia, the rule is that a new account cannot create an article until it has made ten edits and been registered for four days. Your posts at the help desk have brought you up to ten edits, so you should find that you can now create a new article. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * But my standard advice on creating articles,, is that it is hard, and unless you are very confident that you can get it right all in one go, you should use the articles for creation process to create a draft that you can work on and then submit for review. Have you read my first article? --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that’s why I linked YFA in my first reply, but they apparently didn’t bother reading it. Experience on other projects is great, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you know how things work on this project. 20:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The real problem was that I did not know the ten edits rule. Thank you for your kind help. --Weird1e (talk) 00:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that "bothered" to read your reply and your draft, and even went to the trouble of finding an existing article, as was clearly explained to you. I also "bothered" to read your draft and made several minor edits to it in order to assist you. A "thank you" is always appreciated but not really necessary, as the editors here are always happy to help out, but saying that we "apparently didn’t bother reading it" is a little bit rude, don't you think? Or did you not bother to properly read the replies you received? In answer to your other question, your username is not an issue. nagualdesign</b></b> 04:29, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well this is embarassing. I said that, and apparently accidentally signed with five tildes so there is only a timestamp. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ooops! <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 07:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Beeblebrox beat me to it. Did someone say something about "properly reading replies"? :-)  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  07:23, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hehe.. It was a case of mistaken identity, your honour. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 07:37, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft to open space
Good Morning, How can I get my Draft page to actual? Can I? It is good true page, and it is also a birthday present :). So help me please. Thank U for the greate sourse! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Євгенія Ковальова (talk • contribs) 03:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, there is a 'button' within the grey notice at the foot of the page, which, if you are happy that the page is ready for mainspace, you can use to submit for review. However, the system has a backlog and this could take several weeks. It is somehat 'risky' to try to create a Wikipedia article for someone as a 'gift'. They would have to pass Wiki's rather stringent rules on notability and the page would have to conform to the community's other standards also. I will leave some links at your talk page. If you have a close association with the subject or someone has asked you to write the page, particularly if part of your employment or for any sort of reward you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make any necessary disclosures. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Have you considered creating an article about her on Ukrainian-language Wikipedia? That might be easier than here. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroklini
Hello.

On the right side of the above page (Oroklini) it says that the Council President is Chrysostomos Parpounas.

Chrysostomos Parpounas was the President from 1/1/2012 until 31/12/2016.

From 1/1/2017 until 31/12/2021 President is Mr Neophytos Facondis

I dont know how to make the change.

Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoptolemos Andreou (talk • contribs) 05:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The OP seems to have accomplished this change 4 minutes after posting the request, but for me the link in the article template to the Council's website isn't working, so we don't yet have Reliable Source confirmation for it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.220.212.253 (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * This isn't a great source, but it's something, the Voroklini Community Council's welcome message is signed by "Neophytos Fakontis, President of Voroklini Community Council". --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

CSD template at AfD log
A CSD template has appeared in today's AfD log after this edit. I tried figuring out the error but could not. Could someone please rectify it. Thanks, MT Train Talk 10:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the nomination, which is what was tagged for deletion. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

White washing Kulala page
Hi wiki ,

I am here to pen down some important points present in kulala page.It has become an interesting page with not reliable source.I request you to check whether there is word called "kulala" in the book given as reference in this page. We will not be able to find the word in this book.But still all the statements of the book is written in the page by whitewashing original information. So request you on behalf of all indians to either delete the page or remove the contents that is not matching the actual fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swati salian (talk • contribs) 14:26, 23 February 2018 14:26 (UTC)

Note: See earlier thread Help desk/Archives/2018 February 20. Eagleash (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Graphical element technology
I have several related questions about the technology used to produce certain Wikipedia content elements. Certain pages (such as File:Elliptic orbit.gif and File:Geostationaryjava3D.gif) include animated gifs. My first question is: Thanks. 45.25.168.52 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Is there a Wikipedia standard technology/toolkit for producing such gifs? Other pages have similar looking but static graphs (such as File:Analemma Earth.png and File:Sunrise - Libreville, Gabon - 2008.svg). My second question is similar to the first:
 * 2) Is there a Wikipedia standard technology/toolkit for producing such graphs? To produce such graphical elements requires some mathematical computations. Separate from the first two questions which are about the presentation of the information is this third question:
 * 3) Is there a Wikipedia standard technology/toolkit for producing such mathematical computation? I have spent about an hour searching for answers to these questions with no success. My final (meta) question is:
 * 4) Where/how should I have been searching to get these answers?


 * Hello IP user.


 * No, such are made by editors with the software they want. If the description was filled in properly, it usually indicates how it was done. In the case of File:Elliptic_orbit.gif, the metadata tells us it was made using POV-Ray, and it even includes the source code to generate the image.
 * 1) Same answer - there is no standard, look at the metadata. The Libreville sunrise used Gnuplot. There are a couple of ways to generate graphs and the like with Wiki-code, but they are quite limited and rarely simpler to use than external tools; anything that is included as an image in the Wiki-code was from an external tool.
 * 2) Same answer. Unless you mean how to write math equation on Wikipedia pages, in which case see WP:MATH.
 * 3) Here and the Teahouse are fine places to ask any sort of question about Wikipedia editing, and to be honest, for these particular questions I do not think there is much better. Maybe at the Graphics Lab but that is only tangentially related. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 17:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Famous Dex
Hi, the Famous Dex draft is (finally) looking a lot better than it previously did in the past by IP and user vandalism/poor and unsourced edits. He has a song that has peaked on a Billboard chart so that should establish some notability re:music/artist related articles, can this be moved from a draft to an actual article? thanks,Melodies1917 (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: oops, just realizes I can use the Move function. answered my own question :) -Melodies1917 (talk) 16:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

reference citation question
Sometimes I can't find answers to questions around here and this is one of them... Is there any kind of guideline etc that governs the following situation: The article's lead has this phrase
 * The issue of what access and inclusion within the circles of power does to individuals' lives, aspirations, and outcomes;[1]

and then this is the reference:
 * 1: See, e.g., Angelo, First Families.

So my questions are: In this article, this is the only time this book is used as a reference in the article. There is a similar reference-citation for another book, which, again, is the only time this other source is used in the article. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it acceptable to use an entire book as a reference citation (in this case, for a statement in the lead)
 * Is it acceptable to use "e.g.," (an abbreviation for the Latin phrase "exempli gratis," meaning "as a good example" or "for example") as a reference in Wikipedia.
 * This question would be clearer if you said what article it's about. Maproom (talk) 07:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Lead section of List of children of the Presidents of the United States. Shearonink (talk) 07:58, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Uploading images
Hi there, I am trying to upload images that we have rights to, but I keep getting an error message. I have also received written permission to use certain images on a wiki page. How do I get more images on a bio page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceJunkie1 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, you will not be able to upload files to Wikipedia until your account is at least 4 days old and with a minmum of 10 valid edits. Images should ideally be uploaded to Commons where the requirements are different. Click upload in the tools on the left and the upload Wizard should guide you through the licensing requiremnts also. A successful upload will provide you with a pre-formatted link to use the file on Wikipedia. Logos, however, should only be uploaded to Wikipedia and if using the file in an infobox just use the basic filename E.g. XXXX.jpg. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Could you clarify who "we" are, and what rights you claim? Who holds the copyright of the images?  Usually this is the person who took the photographs (if they are photos).  Company logos can often be used at low resolution under a WP:Fair use policy and uploaded directly to a Wikipedia article.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  20:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that "I have received written permission to use certain images on a wiki page" is hardly ever sufficient, for two reasons, . First, the Wikimedia Foundation must receive the permission - either by it being made public eg on a website, or by an email. But the trickier reason is that permission to use an image on Wikipedia is never enough. To satisfy Wikipedia's goal of being freely reusable, images must be released under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, that will allow anybody to reuse the image for any purpose, as long as they attribute it properly. See donating copyright materials for more information. There is a limited possibility of using non-free images (in which case permission is irrelevant), but this is hardly ever possible for a picture of a living person, though it is often used for logos. See the non-free content criteria and LOGO. --ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC)