Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 1

= July 1 =

Discuss/propose a change in policy
I recently noticed that an SPI case was closed on the basis that was not supported by the policy, hence I would like to discuss and propose some changes to WP:SOCK. I am currently confused about where this discussion needs to be initiated because we have WP:VPP as well. Thanks. --RaviC (talk) 09:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:VPP is a very good place to do this,, if you have a specific change in mind. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:09, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You can initiate a discussion in the talk page of the policy you want to change, per WP:WPEDIT. Thinker78 (talk) 23:24, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I got harassed by another editor...
Hi, I was told that there is a team who prevents harassment. Can you give me a link to them? Thank you in advance. Tews~enwiki (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any team that prevents harassment. Perhaps you mean this: Community health initiative? If you are being harassed, you can report it to WP:ANI, but be sure to read the instructions at the top of the page first and also WP:DWH.- MrX 🖋 16:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Tews~enwiki - I'm sorry to hear that. I'd recommend either posting at WP:ANI as MrX suggests above, or if you wish, you are welcome to email me - TNT 💖 19:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You characterized this comment by as being nasty and having a vindictive bias. If that's what you're talking about then no, that's not harassment. That's an admin confirming another administrator's judgment was correct. You now need to focus on finding more reliable sources that show the book meets our notability guidelines. --Neil N  talk to me 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi NeilN, that is not what I'm referring to. I posted request on how to appeal a deletion on reddit and he wasn't helpful but judgemental and down right nasty in his reply on reddit. When he was blocked on reddit did he become vindictive and post that comment. It suggest that outside of Wikipedia, if someone doesn't like you they can play it out on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tews~enwiki (talk • contribs) 20:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:SNOW which may clear up why a term was used. --Neil N  talk to me 20:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm not blocked on reddit. And thank you NeilN for posting the link.--v/r - TP 20:39, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't say you were blocked from reddit, you were blocked from posting more on my post on the wikipedia pageTews~enwiki (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No, you're wrong about that too.--v/r - TP 20:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * . The comments in the Reddit thread (assuming it's the correct one) do not seem judgmental or especially nasty, and they are definitely not harassment. It seems more likely that you didn't like the answer you received so you took offense.- MrX 🖋 21:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok guys. I think the editor's original question has been answered by MrX and There'sNoTime, I don't know what all this back and forth in the help page is about. May I suggest continuing this dispute on the editor's talk page or in another venue? Thinker78 (talk) 23:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you add your own page?
John J. Donohue, American artist and writer (at alltherestaurants.com) does not have a page about him. Can I create a page, or will someone else? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbymontgomery (talk • contribs) 19:22, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may add your own page. Please see Wikipedia's guide to making articles, and make sure he meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. If you aren't comfortable making your own article, you can request it at Wikipedia's requested articles. Keep in mind that even if you request it, it may never be made into an article. Lastly, please make sure that you sign your posts with 4 tildes (~) . Good luck! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk&#124;contribs) 19:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can create an article, but please, read and understand our notability requirement first, to avoid frustration. See WP:NOTABLE. If the subject is not notable as we define the term, your article will be deleted, no matter how well written it is. If the subject is notable and you demonstrate that by citing citing reliable sources (WP:RS) then the article will be kept, (almost) no matter how poorly written it is. But to help us out by starting with a well-written article, please read WP:YFA.-Arch dude (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Is citing a software script allowed?
I was curious about how many possible tic-tac-toe games there were, so I wrote a quick script in C# to calculate it. I thought I'd add my results to the tic-tac-toe page, but realized, first, that my program would probably be considered original research, and second, I didn't know how best to cite it. Am I allowed to link to this script? Dfoverdx (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC) dfoverdx
 * In my opinion it would be original research. We not just cite a source?
 * https://www.jesperjuul.net/ludologist/2003/12/28/255168-ways-of-playing-tic-tac-toe/
 * http://www.se16.info/hgb/tictactoe.htm
 * BTW, did your program give you 255,168 as the answer? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Your own program definitely puts it in the realm of original research. Even if it was someone else's, your own calculations (on whoever's program) would also arguably be original research.  WP:CALC excludes basic arithmetic, which should reasonably exclude anything you can't do in your head or maybe on a cocktail napkin with a crayon (not a pen or pencil).  Ian.thomson (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)