Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 11

= July 11 =

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Ref number  75 is  ok I think  except the  magazine's publisher  should  be in italics  I think -  but  why, in the  preceding sentence, is  the  word "June"  and the  year  "2018"  linked? please fix  Thankyou  175.32.106.109 (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Param fixed: the month and year should not be linked. Eagleash (talk) 01:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Archiving my CSD log
I've never done manual archiving from scratch. AIUI automatic archiving only works on pages where sections contain datestamped signatures, so it can't be done in this case. I'd like to archive the content of User:Dodger67/CSD log by year; creating archive pages for 2014, 2015... leaving only the current year on the active page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I can do manual archiving for you. However, I think cotting the yearly logs would be better than archiving. You'll be able to access the cotted sections faster on the same page, and you wouldn't need to create too many archive pages. What do you think? Lourdes  10:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks that's a far simpler solution. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Notice that this solution keeps the page size (actually, increases it a bit) as downloaded from the internet, so if the page becomes too large to load on slow connections, it might need archiving regardless. I do not think that is an issue here, but you might want to keep that in mind before applying the solution to other pages. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Definition of a Source
I didn't find a definition of a Source in WP policies. Can you help me? The closer I got was a taxonomy of sources in primary, secondary and tertiary. But what is a source? Is a promoting site, (i.e. visitgreece.com, parisinfo.com etc) a source? Is the site of any given village a source? A lot of villages have a history section- mostly about trivialities- can that section be considered a historical source? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 10:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you read our guideline on identifying reliable sources? Lourdes  10:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User talk:Lourdes Certainly but I didn't find any definition of a source, even though there is a chapter "Definition of a source". One can read that "The word "source" when citing sources on Wikipedia has three related meanings: The piece of work itself (the article, book).The creator of the work (the writer, journalist).The publisher of the work (for example, Random House or Cambridge University Press).Any of the three can affect reliability". Definitely, it's not a definition. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 11:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've answered Τζερόνυμο's question here. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 16:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC) (Not watching this page)

Sorting a table
Hi Wikipedia editors! Perhaps someone would be knowledgeable enough to know how to sort variables in a a table not by their alphabetic order but by another value. The problem is mentioned here. Thanks! --Jetam2 (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See Help:Sorting. You could invent a number for each rank. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Will give it a try.--Jetam2 (talk) 12:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Change of headline
How do I change the headline of an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuseumSilkeborg (talk • contribs) 11:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Which article? Would it be that you want to change the title of the article Silkeborg Museum to Museum Silkeborg? Lourdes  12:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating a page for a company you work with/for
Hello,

I have just joined Wikipedia and have a question I'd like input on

If a user works at a company and wants to create a Wikipedia page for it (Not by any means to spam or advertise the company, instead to create an informational page about the company and services offered like with Google or Twitter), is there anything to specifically watch out for other than having a NPOV? Should you not do it at all? Should you add a template saying the page could be biased by having been created by someone close to the company? If so, what is that template and how do I use it?

Just to emphasize I would never create an article just to promote the company, instead to allow people to do research about it on Wikipedia. I just want to know what I should watch out for to avoid being a nuisance.

Thanks in advance for any answers, LW001 (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * While you're not prohibited from doing it, I would say avoid the pit and don't create Wikipedia pages for any company where you work. Having said that, if you really want to do it, then you should first read up on Wikipedia's paid-contribution disclosure policy and conflict of interest guideline, apart from understanding our notability guidelines for organizations. In other words, Wikipedia has articles of only those organizations that are considered notable as per our guidelines. So if you feel your organization can pass the muster, read your first article and follow the instructions. Write back if you think you need more assistance. Lourdes  12:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * the intent you give "to create an informational page about the company and services offered" is in fact exactly what is prohibited by WP:PROMO. As we are an encyclopedia, a decent article about a company concentrates on its history, not the latest offerings and activities. Imagine yourself a historian a few centuries in the future, long after the company no longer exists, you are researching the widget manufacturing industry. Would you be more interested in the history of the company or the number and price of widgets they made back in 2018? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * As stated, creating an "informational page" is considered promotional on Wikipedia. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not for merely disseminating information.  Wikipedia has no interest in what a company (through its representatives) wants to say about itself; it is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about it.  That does not include things like press releases, the company website, or staff interviews. If your company is truly notable per WP:ORG(the notability guidelines), someone independent of the company will eventually write about it. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Page deletion without reason
Hi, a page I created was incorrectly redirected to another page of a tv series. The page I created was that of a person that was independent of this tv series and had her own career. Please guide me as to how I can remove this incorrect deletion. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmcritic786 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Telling us the article and the TV series would be a good place to start. - X201 (talk) 15:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at their contributions it would be Simran Judge. ~ GB fan 15:35, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I was taking them at their word that it was a proper deletion - X201 (talk) 15:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The article hasn't been deleted. The article was redirected by The reasons given were WP:BLP1E and WP:TOOSOON I suggest you read those first. - X201 (talk) 15:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (x3) This was the page immediately prior to 'redirection'. The rationale used by the editor who did so was 'A case of WP:BLP1E and WP:TOOSOON'. The actor appears to have only one role and nothting outside of that to indicate notability at this stage. Redirection appears reasonable in the circumstances. Pinging as the involved editor in case they may wish to comment. Eagleash (talk) 15:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

First of all as per the history of the article it was created by but in your comment above you said The page I created.. so can you please explain. Thank you for the ping X201 and Eagleash. GSS (talk |c|em ) 15:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC) My apologies, I assumed I was logged in as per my account. The thing is, even though the individual has only done 1 show, that show does not "represent" her. She had been a model before and that was independent of this show. The show Everest has nothing to do with her modelling career for Indian commercials, Fashion weeks, etc. If that is the case, then one must also redirect the page "Lakme Fashion Week" to "everest". It wouldn't make sense, would it? Since, the two are vastly different. Adding to that, she is also a successor to a well known poet- "Rajkavi Inderjeet Singh Tulsi". It would be unfair give her the identity of a TV show when she has an identity of her own and is known for work outside of that one TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollywoodcritic (talk • contribs) 16:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The problem with keeping Simran Judge as an independent article was that it provided no evidence that its subject was notable. It had four references, to two sources, both based on interviews with the subject and so not independent. Maproom (talk) 16:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Can we please speak here rather than constantly redirecting the page? Most wikipedia articles are related to PR and interviews. If that's the case then you must go ahead and delete all actors pages. There are so many to delete if you remove the validity of an interview. She cannot speak in an interview with false information, she could be sued for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollywoodcritic (talk • contribs) 17:07, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, if that weren't the case, she could not be linked to her grandfather's page, someone would have stood up and claimed validity. The TV show is not her Identity, please stop redirecting her to a show that she was just "a part of". She didn't create the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollywoodcritic (talk • contribs) 17:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * This is a content dispute. It does not belong on the help desk. We here at the help desk can tell you where and how to handle this. Where: go to the talk page for the article (now a redirect, but the talk page is still there) at Talk:Simran Judge. How: discuss this until you reach consensus. If you cannot reach consensus, then continue as recommended at WP:DISPUTE. The help desk is not part of that process, but if you have problems understanding the process, please come back here. -Arch dude (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: The page is not currently a redirect; it has been restored and is at AfD here. Eagleash (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Neerali
Please help editing protected page ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Neerali&action=edit&section=14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neerali

Sameershan (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note I've removed the copy-pasted page contents. The page the user is referring to is here. This section was also made at the teahouse. -- HunterM267  talk 20:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Phishing Email Fruad Using Wikipedia
This isn't about making changes to your content, although I would think SOMEONE at Wikipedia would want to know that an Email Fraud scam is specifically citing a Wikipedia page, AND THEY would take a look at the page being used. This is one sentence directly from the Email: "I hope this information meet you well as I know you will be curious to know why/how I selected you to receive a sum of $5,000,000.00 USD, our information below is 100% legitimate, please see the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation"

Did Wikipedia donor lists get hacked? I wonder how these creeps got my email adress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:4250:EA:853E:CF1E:C7D0:171E (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have seen other reports about scam mails linking to Wikipedia articles. They probably mailed random people and didn't know you were a donor. The other recipients didn't mention any personal connection to Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see how citing a Wikipedia article about an existing organization would prove legitimacy for some email contact. Then again, scam artists aim for people who wouldn't ask that.
 * If we put a big warning on there saying "if you got an email citing this, it's a phishing scam," the scam artists would just pick a different article.
 * Unless your only online activity was donating to the Wikimedia Foundation (which I seriously doubt), then I don't see how this email is a sign that the donors list got hacked. Yes, they cited Wikipedia, but we're the most popular online encyclopedia.  Ian.thomson (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * One thing that most people don't appreciate is that the scammers intend to make their appeals look like obvious scams. It takes some time and effort to lead someone down the long path from reading an email to sending a cashier's check to Nigeria. They want to weed out those who won't send the money early in the process, leaving only the very gullible. Just asking a question is often enough to make them abandon you as a prospect and move on to more fertile ground. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Can I disable flyovers?
This year (2018) has been my most painful in reading the articles (which I do a real real real real lot) - because of the FLYOVERS.

As I roll the mouse wheel to scroll an article I am bombarded by the hyperlink flyover popups. They really ruin the experience.

I'm willing to sacrifice 100% of the benefit (I acknowledge that there's a lesser benefit) to permanently eradicate it for myself. Can I?

P.S. I love the site and the unfathomably massive hard work and dedication by the major players and volunteers.76.185.10.9 (talk) 22:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Look for a cog on the page preview when it pops up. Click the cog.  Select "disable." Ian.thomson (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you but I don't know what you mean by preview. I'm talking about viewing any published wiki articles. There are no gear cogs when I view pages.76.185.10.9 (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hovercards - Alps Mont Blanc.jpg
 * If what I'm referring to (mw:Page Previews) is not what you're describing, then I don't see what site function you could be describing as a "flyover."
 * Is your security software up-to-date? Have you run a scan recently?  Do you have ad-blocking software installed?  If you can't answer "yes" to all three of those questions, the issue might be on your end.  Ian.thomson (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Smart work including the diagram. Yes, what you call "page previews" is the obnoxious popup that I'm describing. That is why I said flyover.

Okay, so you mean the gear cog *on the popup* which is the "page preview." YES, I do see that, and can go Disable. Solved. Good work.

It seems to turn it off permanently for all pages, which right now makes me happy happy. Yet should I ever want to restore it, where is that? Thanks so much. 76.185.10.9 (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I see it - "Enable previews" link at the bottom of any page. SOLVED. Way to go.76.185.10.9 (talk) 00:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)