Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 2

= July 2 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
Im having trouble adding the teen choice awards to jumanji welcome to the jungle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbatra97 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I cannot see any ref errors on Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and your editing history does not show that you have made edits to that page. What difficulty are you encountering? Please give a link to any page you need help with. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Help moving Second Phase Campaign (Korean War) to draft space
As part of a article deletion discussion I've agreed to move this article to draft space -- while I expand it. I can't make heads or tails of the instructions for moving articles to draft space. Can somebody do it for me -- or give me step by step instructions in how to do so? Preferably do it for me, because I reached the limits of my technical ability 60 years ago with a manual typewriter.

I don't know whether it has any bearing -- but I didn't create this article. It dates from 2009 as a stub. I was trying yesterday to expand it into something more than a stub -- and got caught up being blamed for a lousy article -- which I didn't create and had barely begun editing. "No good deed goes unpunished." But I want to keep this article and work on it because the subject interests me, and it is potentially valuable for filling a gap in Wikipedia coverage of the Korean War. Smallchief (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to draftspace. Eagleash (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * My sincere thanks. Is it kosher for me to remove that article deletion discussion tag from the draft article? That ominous tag stands out like a red light outside a gentleman's club.Smallchief  (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've asked if the AfD can be closed so it can be removed. Eagleash (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Proof of winning a DIC claims from VA as significant other
I need to know if there are any cases out there for someone who has lived with a Vetern. Who passed an was able to collect the DIC claim. If so how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.46.86.188 (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Name missspelled in URL
How do you change the URL name? This person's name is spelled incorrectly. It is Stephan (with an A). In the text, the name is spelled correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Haggard_(political_scientist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyemmarob (talk • contribs) 17:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * We call such a change a "page move". I Moved it to Stephan Haggard. -Arch dude (talk) 18:38, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Username
May I change my username from P.ziveri to p.ziveri ?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by P.ziveri (talk • contribs) 19:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is not possible. The first character of a username is automatically capitalized. You can place lowercase title on User:P.ziveri to display "User:p.ziveri" at top of the page. And you can write p.ziveri in the "Signature" field at Special:Preferences (don't make a checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup"). This will write p.ziveri when you sign discussion posts with  as you are supposed to. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Relationship status
How do I add a relationship status to a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by KMB267 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Template:Infobox football biography does not have "relationship" as parameter. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Pop ups
Hello, anyway to disable the pop-ups when one hovers over a link? Thanks, Karl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl Shoemaker (talk • contribs) 19:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Tools/Navigation popups, go to Special:Preferences, then click "Gadgets", scroll down, uncheck "Navigation popups," then scroll down the rest of the way and click "save." Ian.thomson (talk) 19:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There are two features which can make popups. "Navigation popups" is not enabled by default but the other is. It can be disabled at "Page previews" at Special:Preferences, or on a cogwheel in the popup for unregistered users. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Portal Bridge
Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_Bridge i had suggested that tugboats equipped with telescoping pilot houses, (standard operating procedure on the Erie Canal) could transit the closed Portal Bridge.. why was this taken down! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.234.85 (talk) 22:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the material you added consisted of some cryptic and incomplete statements with two links to MarineTraffic that would qualify as original research (which we don't use) because it doesn't appear to actually support what you were claiming. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for Sharing, Sorry for any misunderstandings: However, Tugboats with telescoping pilot houses are used on the Erie Canal, Standard Operating Practice: http://www.professionalmariner.com/December-January-2017/Stone-moving-tugboat-fleet-leads-New-York-canal-renaissance/

Here's a photograph of tugboat Magot transiting a closed railroad bridge https://tugster.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/trackster/ https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:434540/mmsi:367016920/vessel:MARGOT

James Turecamo has the same telescoping pilot house system, and was utilized by BCUA's contractor. to transport sludge from their Little Ferry Campus, to PVSC's Newark plant: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/search/all?keyword=james+turecamo Thank you for Sharing, Sorry for any misunderstandings! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.174.82 (talk) 14:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * All we do is summarize professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources about a given topic. Wikipedia does not use original research.
 * The Professional Mariner piece doesn't mention Portal Bridge, so it's not really applicable for claims about Portal Bridge.
 * Anyone can make a Wordpress blog, so its not a reliable source. Additionally, the Wordpress blog you're citing is not about Portal Bridge and so would be useless for the Portal Bridge article even if it was reliable.
 * MarineTraffic is just a collection of indiscriminate data, which requires a secondary source to interpret. At any rate, what you are citing is about things other than Portal Bridge. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for Sharing, Sorry for any Misunderstandings By the 2000s, the Portal Bridge was considered obsolete and under review for replacement. Train speeds are limited to 60 miles per hour (97 km/h) and the bridge only has a clearance of 23 feet (7.0 m) underneath it, so it must frequently swing open to allow even small commercial boats to pass underneath it. The Erie canal has the same marine traffic overhead clearance issues: http://www.canals.ny.gov/boating/bridgeheights.html One system, the Erie Canal utilizes tugboats with telescoping pilot houses... The Portal Bridge... BCUA's Contractor Utilized James Turecamo a tugboat with a telescoping pilot house.. Thank you for Sharing, Sorry for any Misunderstandings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.174.82 (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

William A. Baum
I am Bobanmometer. I am simply trying to get my Grandfather, William A. Baum mentioned in your sphygmomanometer page. He is responsible for the worldwide calibration of blood pressure instrumentation. I attached an article from the NY Times from 1964, his obituary, where it mentions his accomplishments. I also linked to the Official Gazette of the U.S. Patent Office Volume 233 where his name and original patent are highlighted. Yet I am being taken down due to lack of verifiable sources?

Here is what I submitted:

" William A. Baum is the scientist responsible for the invention of the modern sphygmomanometer. While working at the Life Extension Institute performing mortality rate studies in the early 1900's, he realized that people were dying from undiagnosed hypertension.  He set about to standardize the cartridge tube that measured Blood Pressure in mm Hg, along with a standard reservoir that contained the mercury at rest. He took his prototype instrument to a very large, well recognized Insurance firm, and performed what we would now refer to as a "demo" of his instrument. This firm, which is still a very successful Insurance entity, recognized his accomplishment and immediately ordered a very large number of these instruments to correct and mitigate the incredible risk that they were subject to by utilizing inaccurate Blood Pressure devices. A company was formed in 1916, the W.A. Baum Co. Inc. They are still located in Copiague New York. William A. Baum was ultimately, among other accomplishments, responsible for the world wide calibration of all blood pressure instruments.

And here are the links to the citations:

The U.S. Patent Office volume 233:

And the NY Times Obituary:

What is it that I am doing that is causing these people to remove my additions?

The citation rules ask for verifiable sources. I think that the 1964 NY Times and the U.S. Patent offices are "verifiable" and not "puffery"?Bobanometer (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Because you are his grandson, you have a conflict of interest and should not be directly editing any material about him. You can make edit requests on the article's talk page.  The references you cited only support that he invented it, they do not support anything else that you added.  Furthermore, the material praises him and W.A. Baum Co. Inc.  Material should be written such that even someone who hates the subject would have to agree with the basic facts. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I know this will sound odd, but neither a patent nor an obituary qualify as a reliable source by our peculiar definition. Please see WP:RS. The problem here is that to qualify, the source must be independent of the subject. A patent is not independent, because is is written by the subject. An obituary is not independent, because it is (usually) written on behalf of the deceased by someone who is in effect paid by the deceased's estate to perform this service. -Arch dude (talk) 04:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to disagree with the above statement. A NY Times obituary, unlike many other obituaries, is actually written by the NY Times staff, and ONLY for notable people. It is quite reliable. A patent filing is a reliable source when one is trying to prove that someone has a patent in his/her name for such and such an item, but I agree that having a patent doesn't automatically make the items in the patent real. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  01:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's a non-obituary NY Times source that says the same thing. []. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  01:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You are correct about patents. Like other primary sources, they are reliable as references for their own existence, and for related factual information like date of award and inventor. Our full discussion is at WP:PATENTS. About the obituary, I have not tracked down any specific discussion for identifying a high-quality obit, but I take your word for it and I hope we can apply the rule of reason. and  please take this back to the article talk page and try for consensus there, and only if that fails please proceed to dispute resolution per WP:DISPUTE. We've gone about as far as we can here at the help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 02:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)