Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 22

= July 22 =

MOS question - Alpha sort with diacritics
(Firstly, apologies if this isn't the right venue for WP:MOS questions. Please feel free to move this question to the correct place).

In a manually-generated list, how should letters with diacritcs be alphabetically sorted among letters without diacritics? Specifically, should "öb" come before "od", after "od" and before "of" (that is, should "öb" be read as "oeb"), or after "oz" (which, I believe, is the German convention)? Tevildo (talk) 05:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In English, the convention is just to ignore all diacritics when putting a list in alphabetical order. This is to help readers unfamiliar with other languages, although other languages doubtless have different rules.--Shantavira|feed me 08:41, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is this actually in the MOS anywhere, or is it just a generic convention? Tevildo (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It's never wrong to come to the help to ask where you should go. The MOS pages are similar to other pages in that we discuss a page's contents using its talk page, and we the edit the page when consensus is reached. If you can find the right page among the thicket of MOS pages, you may choose to recommend that this sorting order be added. -Arch dude (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. MOS:LIST is probably the appropriate page, but the subject isn't addressed there - I just wanted to check that it wasn't covered somewhere less obvious, as MOS violations tend to be dealt with severely...  Tevildo (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The convention is described in WP:SORTKEY. Not precisely a part of MOS, but I can't find it mentioned on pages regarding lists either. The underlying principle here is obvious KISS: ISO basic Latin alphabet, ignore diacritics, ignore case. The language-specific conventions are numerous. Sam Sailor 05:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the page I should have found. Not perhaps the most obvious location... Tevildo (talk) 19:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Edward Levy-Lawson, 1st Baron Burnham
In the section "family" I have tried to added this commons  file:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Hall-Barn-1898.jpg I failed  please  assist  Thankyou175.32.106.109 (talk) 09:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. You added an external link to the upload, rather than a Wikilink. I have not given it a caption - you probably want to do so. Look at the source for the earlier image to see how to do that. --ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Update on current information
I do not want to edit, just share that as of July 1, 2018

Somerset Community College in Somerset, Kentucky has a new president. Dr. Carey W. Castle.

That is all. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.139.132.112 (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! When you have information like this but you do not wish to edit the article, please place the info in a new section on the article's talk page. However, before we can act on it, you must provide a reference to a reliable source such as a newspaper article. Don't worry about the format of your reference. A link to the newspaper article online is helpful. To get quicker response, put the the magic incantation Request edit (with the curly brackets) in your new section to alert the intersted editors that action is needed -Arch dude (talk) 19:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is from April and written in a future tense, but I suppose it sufficiently supports the information → especially if taken together with the current president's message at the college's website: →  --CiaPan (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Strange referencing problem
In the "Processor Technology" section of the Sol-20 article, I am trying to add an efn to explain a bit of trivia. However, when I do so, I get a ref referencing error inline. Removing the efn fixes it. I have looked through the entire section and cannot find the source of this problem. Can someone take a look? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The = symbol was causing the problem. Wrapping it in nowiki tags fixed it. Sarahj2107 (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It worked in this case but would fail in other cases, e.g. breaking url's. The recommended solution at Help:Template is to use or 1. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

1915 Post card with photo of Santa Barbara baseball team dated 1915
Where can I find a list of Santa Barbara baseball players for 1915. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.155.173 (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This sort of question is more suitable for the Reference Desk. If you go to WP:RD/E and re-post your question, you'll be in the right place to get an answer. Tevildo (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Including a reference containing a URL in a footnote
Dear experts,

I have carefully read Wikipedia's "Nesting footnotes" article, and especially the section headed " Reference within note", but I need to do more than the examples shown.

What I was hoping to have was this:

A sentence in an article, followed immediately by a 'ref group= "note"' number.

Then, under a notelist with a "Notes" heading – in order with other notes – a sentence or two, with a reference in it that comprises a standard cite web entry, including a URL.

Example:

Aircraft loading was defined as blah blah[note 1]. Blah blah ...

Notes heading

1. There is a distinction between type A [a ref number here links to a reference, in cite web format, in the main reference list] and type B, blah blah.

Advice would be very much appreciated. SCHolar44 (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, you can add the citation template after the note as you would in a regular article statement, but don't use "ref" for the explanatory footnote itself:
 * Something like  after the original article sentence should work.
 * You can use either Template:refn or Template:efn for the outermost note statement itself, but I'd avoid using Template:ref for this. Nesting pure "ref" templates into each other is possible (sometimes), but has several technical limitations - it's just not worth the hassle in this case. GermanJoe (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for responding, – you cleared my confusion about one aspect, which I appreciate.


 * I mentioned I had wanted to incorporate the note into my numerical list ('ref group= "note"'). The guidance in the section headed "Reference within note" in the "Nesting footnotes" article produces alphabetically listed Notes, but not numerically (arabic numbers, not Roman). Any ideas on that? SCHolar44 (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * , Template:Refn allows the usage of a group parameter too (same for efn templates). The section's first example seems to show your intended usage (with and without added reference name). But if I misunderstood you yet again, please let me know - a practical example in a real article (or in your sandbox) would be helpful then to avoid confusion. GermanJoe (talk) 14:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Got it, !  And why did I not see the ref you guided me to when it was staring me in the face?  I'd better ask my wife. No, I already know the answer...   :-)  Very many thanks for your help. SCHolar44 (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Runaway fonts, colors, underlines, and strikeouts.
Please take a look at these edits I just made by opening the before and after versions and scrolling to the bottom of each.



Clearly something has happened to the rendering code so that things like font colors and underlines that used to stop at the end of the comment now get applied to the entire page. It is also clear that there are far too many of these for me to fix them all by hand.

Suggestions? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Scroll down to the bottom of Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive831. Impressive, no? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (technical). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Acme Mapper working?
Is Acme Mapper working? For the last couple of days when I click on coordinates and select Acme Mapper, it says "This page can't load Google Maps correctly". It shows some sort of topo map rather than the map I want or the satellite view. If I click on OK, and then select one of the things I want, it shows "for development purposes only" several times over the view. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)