Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 23

= July 23 =

referencing question
Hi I am writing an article and have a problem with one of my references. I think I am following the guidelines but the reference appears in red with the word Template at the beginning. This is the ref I am having problem with: other occurrences of the same ref look all right, only the first occurrence is the issue. Can anybody help please? Freshclover (talk) 00:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The double curly braces  should only be around template calls, e.g. citation templates like cite news. See Help:A quick guide to templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The rp is a valid template.Naraht (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, the error is in . Remove the braces there. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Encyclopedia about a character
It may sound dumb but I'd really like to read some information about a certain character but almost all the information is completely gone. I hope you can get the it back... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.212.46.26 (talk) 04:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * You're going to have to tell us which character if we're going to help you! Rojomoke (talk) 04:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * If information has been removed from a Wikipedia article it is almost certainly because that information was original research, not reliably sourced, or a copyright violation. You may be able to find it by clicking on the History tab and looking at an old version of the article, but you would be much better off using a search engine to find reliable information.--Shantavira|feed me 14:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Open Media on mobile?
Hi, wonder if this is the right place to ask for this help. The article Open Media has been relatively stable for some time: I added a couple of improvements recently (another picture, better formatting etc) and thought they looked fine.

Checking on "mobile view" also seemed ok - but that is when I click on "mobile view" while on my desktop. I have since tried on an Ipad and some text seems to get messed up, formatting is askew when viewed on Ipad.

Did I introduce some problem with my recent editing? Is there a easy fix or should I go back to how the page was before? Thanks for any help. AnOpenMedium (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I don't see anything odd on my Android phone. --ColinFine (talk) 10:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The large images opposite eachother on the left and right look bad to me with sandwiched text. See Manual of Style/Images and Manual of Style/Images. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. I had not intended text to appear between the images - and indeed when I go to edit this is not what appears (so I assume it must be a characteristic of Wikiautomatic layouts). Just tried tweeking, which seems to have removed the text from between the images on desktop but not mobile, so that problem remains. Anyone here know about mobile layout? AnOpenMedium (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just realised that the problem is not in the "Stars" section, but further down ("Entertainment"), so apologies if anyone got confused. It may be that there is not enough text in the Entertainment section. I will keep working at this. Sorry for the muddle. AnOpenMedium (talk) 15:12, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Making a page live
I have created a page and I am trying to make it live however I'm not sure how to do this? can someone help please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuneN 07 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome. I assume you mean Draft:S. E. Onukogu. That draft needs some work before it is ready. Please read your first article to see how to improve it and how to submit it. In particular, the section headers need to be formatted properly, and the references also need to be reformatted. I looks as if your subject is notable (WP:N) and you have references to reliable sources (WP:RS), but I cannot tell for sure because of the broken links. If so, however, your article will not be deleted and you will eventually succeed, so please keep working on it. Come back here or to my talk page if you get stuck. -Arch dude (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * June, you should also take time off to see how other biographies are structured, for example Joseph Msika, and maybe model the paragraphs in similar manner. As Arch dude rightly says, you would need to spruce up the article before it can be moved by yourself to the main article space. Most warmly, Lourdes  12:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Brief factual academic bio
Brief factural academic biography I am Visiting Professor at University of Southampton where some of my professorial colleagues, as in other universities, have their brief academic bios on Wikepedia. I have long failed to upload my brief factual, academic bio to Wikepedia. I can upload it to Wiki ommons but it was removed as not in its scopeas it is an academic bio etc - Wiki says I need to do 10 edits before I can upload anything but prevents me as I am not an approved editor. Can Wiki upload it to Wiki then please? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnQoLAge (talk • contribs) 13:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You are making two very common top-level mistakes, one technical, the other more basic. Technical: you cannot upload a typical text document to produce a Wikipedia article, as we use a different format: See your first article for some pointers. The more basic mistake: we do not in general have biographies for everyone. You must be "notable", by our definition of the term: see (WP:NOTABLE and particularly Notability (academics)), and more generally, see what Wikipedia is not. Even if you are notable, you are not supposed to create or edit an article about yourself directly: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. If you are notable, then someone will eventually write the article for you, but you may be able to nudge the process along: see requested articles. Please don't get discouraged. We have somehow managed to build over 5.6 million articles using these somewhat strange policies. -Arch dude (talk) 15:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about Posting/editing
Hello,

I recently made some edits to the Jonathan Club page to correct/update some information and I received an email stating that the edits made seemed to be for advertising or promotional purposes. I'm confused as to what part of the edits and am reaching out because we are confused what part in our edits seems to be advertising or for promotional purposes. We are happy to make any changes, we’re just not clear on what changes we need to make. If you could provide assistance that would be much appreciated. The page was reverted back to the old information.

Here is what the new edits were:

Jonathan Club Jonathan Club is a private social club with two locations — one in Downtown Los Angeles on South Figueroa Street and the other abutting the beach in Santa Monica. The club is routinely ranked as one of the top clubs in the world by Platinum Clubs of America. History The club has two founding dates set in stone at the entrance to its Downtown Los Angeles building — 1894 (when it was a political club) and 1895 (when it segued into a non-political social club and was chartered by State of California). The club bases its anniversaries on the June 8, 1895 date.[1] What the club does The club provides dining, events, and athletic and wellness programs for members, their families and guests; maintains an extensive California art collection; offers programs to support the military; presents awards to Americans who have achieved great stature in their fields; and is involved in a variety of outreach programs for members to help their communities.[2] Membership New members are nominated by existing members. The club welcomes members regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. It has more than 600 female members.[3] Founding board of directors[1] George L. Alexander, president; agent for type foundry company selling equipment to printers John B. Bushnell, vice president; railroad executive; stockbroker Ferdinand K. Rule, second vice president (later president for eight terms); general manager of L.A. Terminal Railway; president of La Fiesta de Los Angeles and Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce E. M. Burgoyne, secretary; U.S. Post Office clerk C.H. White, treasurer; number two executive in Los Angeles for the Southern Pacific Railroad Hancock Banning, director; like his father, Hancock was a Southern California pioneer who founded city of Wilmington and port; family owned Catalina Island before selling to Wrigleys Benjamin F. Day, director; music store executive George C. Gaskill, director; agent for company selling teas and mat-making materials Bradner W. Lee, director; prominent attorney who handled, among other matters, the estate of Lucky Baldwin George P. Taylor, director; tailor Edward B. Tufts, director; owner of sporting goods and bicycle shop; brought serious golf to city and created its first golf club (now the Los Angeles Country Club)

Select prominent members[4] In addition to the founding board of directors, some prominent members since the club’s inception include: •	John D. Bicknell, founder of law firm that became Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher •	Herman Wolf Hellman, founder of Farmers & Merchants Bank; real estate investor •	Henry Huntington, railroad builder; land developer; rare art and book collector •	James Boon Lankershim, land developer •	John D. Spreckels, sugar and steamship entrepreneur •	Meredith Pinxton Snyder, banker; Los Angeles police chief, city councilman and mayor (three times) •	Peter Janss, developed East Los Angeles communities; philanthropist •	Edward Laurence Doheny, oilman •	Maurice Newmark, family built merchandise and grocery business into largest firm in Los Angeles •	Harry Chandler, publisher of the Los Angeles Times •	Mericos Hector Whittier, oil industry pioneer; land developer •	William Wrigley Jr., chewing gum magnate •	A.P. Giannini, founder of Bank of Italy (later Bank of America) •	Edgar Rice Burroughs, adventure and science fiction author •	Robert A. Millikan, experimental physicist; recipient of the Nobel Prize; longtime president of California Institute of Technology •	Admiral C.C. Bloch, commander of 14th Naval District during Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor •	George Pepperdine, founded Western Auto Supply; philanthropist; endowed George Pepperdine College (later Pepperdine University) •	Jesse Louis Lasky, created first permanent feature film company in what would become Hollywood; a founder of Paramount Pictures •	Tom Mix, early Western movie star •	Gordon Bernie Kaufman, prominent architect •	Rear Admiral Isaac Campbell Kidd, career U.S. Naval officer who perished aboard USS Arizona in 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor; posthumously received Medal of Honor •	Ben Meyer, president of Union Bank; first president of Federation of Jewish Welfare Organizations •	Earl Warren, governor of California; chief justice of U.S. Supreme Court •	John Henry Dockweiler, civil engineer; involved in design and construction of Los Angeles cable railway system •	Buster Keaton, silent screen star •	Hal Roach, comedy writer, director and producer; created Hal Roach Studios •	Harold Lloyd, comedy movie star in silents and talkies; founded own studio •	Edmund G. Brown, lawyer and politician; governor of California •	Paul Gray Hoffman, automobile executive; president of Ford Foundation; received Medal of Freedom for work as first administrator of Marshall Plan after WWII •	John A. McCone, industrialist; head of Atomic Energy Commission; director of CIA; headed McCone Commission to investigate causes of 1965 Watts riots and propose cures to avoid future outbreaks •	Ronald Reagan, movie actor; governor of California; president of the United States •	Arnold O. Beckman, prolific chemist and inventor; industrialist; funded first transistor company and fueled creation of Silicon Valley; philanthropist, including to Caltech where he studied and taught •	Peter O’Malley, owner and president of Los Angeles Dodgers Locations In 1924 a contract was let for what Southwest Builder and Contractor magazine called a "magnificent new home" for the club—its present brick-faced structure at 545 S. Figueroa Street, one block west of the Los Angeles Public Library.[5] Since 1927, the club has had a beach location in Santa Monica, in a building designed by architect Gene Verge, Sr.[6] References 1.	Nat Read, The Jonathan Club Story, first edition 2005, second edition 2015, Los Angeles Public Library 2.	Discover Los Angeles (https://www.discoverlosangeles.com/hotels/jonathan-club) 3.	Jonathan Club policies and historical archives 4.	Jonathan Club historical archives 5.	Southwest Builder and Contractor (July 11, 1924) page 47 6.	 The City of Beverly Hills: Historic Resources Inventory (1985-1986)

External links •	Official website

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanClub (talk • contribs) 19:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please include a link to assist other editors. FYI other editors - this is for Jonathan Club.  Unsourced info is likely to be removed.  Here's a source for Mr. Huntington's membership and role in the foundation of the club: [] You'd be better off discussing article content on the article's talk page. Also, your user name is going to cause you problems. See Username policy. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  19:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * As Tim said, your user name violates our policy, since a corporate name implies that the name is shared, but Wikipedia is to be edited only by individuals. In this case, you refere to yourselves as "we", which is more than an implicit assumption of sharing. Separately, you have a (completely understandable) conflict of interest, and it is therefore almost impossible for you to maintain a neutral point of view. Our mechanism to mitigate this is to ask you to declare your interest, and then make suggested edits on the article's talk page. This allows disinterested editors to remove any "puffery" that creeps in. Please see WP:COI for details. -Arch dude (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are an employee of the club or are otherwise being compensated in any way for your submittals to Wikipedia, you must declare this relationship to comply with our terms of service. See WP:PAID. As a practical matter this has the same effect as the conflict-of-interest policy, except that the declaration must be slightly stronger. Don't get discouraged: it looks like you have included worthwhile information here. -Arch dude (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The above is all applicable. But to more directly answer your question about what sounded like advertising, a sentence such as The club is routinely ranked as one of the top clubs in the world by Platinum Clubs of America. would need at least one reference. Though, in fact, you removed the reference that was in the previous version. † dismas †|(talk) 20:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The user has apparently take a new name and inserted the same information again. I have reverted it because the reference was not acceptable (and some was not referenced at all). Matt Deres (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)