Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 25

= July 25 =

Undo edit
Undo edit without any reason and the category was proper. Can any admin help me for this? NehalDaveND (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I would think that it was considered not to be a defining characteristic. Pinging so they can join the discussion, but it would normally be better for youn to take up discussion at the other editor's talk page or the article TP. Eagleash (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Medical ref
Can Psych Central be a good source for medical articles? Vs6507 03:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:MEDRS gives information in relation to identifying good sources, with links to noticeboards whwere queries such as yours can be raised. Eagleash (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Line break symbols
What is the difference between these two line-break symbols (below)? And which is the correct one to use here in Wikipedia articles?


 * XHTML
 * HTML

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * See Help:HTML in wikitext. Use .  Avoid  .-Arch dude (talk) 05:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks!   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

In der Falle
I do not recall running across this problem in nine years of editing. In der Falle is a book of essays, written in German. Despite the article being titled in German, and the German title being mentioned in the lead sentence, the article is autotranslating and rendering the book title as In the Trap, in both the lead sentence and the article title. What is the explanation for this, and what is the solution? Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:17, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "autotranslating"? Are you running Google Chrome with Google Translate set to automatically translate German? Sam Sailor 07:01, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you post a screenshot maybe? I see nothing of the sort in the article at the moment. Tigraan Click here to contact me 07:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edit seemed to fix the problem, . Thank you. Yes, I use Chrome and occasionally use Google Translate on German texts (and other languages as well). Cullen328  Let's discuss it

Expedite Process for Article Awaiting Review
Hello!

I have submitted an article 6 weeks ago to be reviewed and I have not heard back from the editor. Is there a way to expedite process or request a new editor? Please advise.

Best, LaWr123 (talk) 05:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * There is no "the editor". Your draft will be reviewed by the next volunteer editor who chooses to pick it from the waiting-list. Meanwhile, you could use the time to increase its chance of being accepted, by reducing its promotional tone and finding more independent sources that discuss the subject. Maproom (talk) 06:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Josh Gold
I've never edited a page before so please be patient with my request. Please edit the Jonathan Gold page to include his other brother, Josh Gold - advertising creative director and copy writer that has written numerous TV commercials. Also, my job is now, UCLA Associate Vice Chancellor for Environment and Sustainability.

Thank you.

Mark Gold — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:845A:A200:48E9:3385:7E95:2441 (talk) 06:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mark. I'm sorry for your loss.
 * The recommended course of action for editors who may have a conflict of interest is to suggest the change they would like to see made on the article's talk page - here Talk:Jonathan Gold; then an uninvolved editor will decide what, if anything, to do with the suggestion. If you add edit request (with the double curly brackets) somewhere in your suggestion, that will put it on a list to make sure that somebody reviewing such suggestions sees it. Two things you can do to make it more likely the suggestion will be taken up are 1) to be specific (eg "Change XXX to YYY; Add ZZZ after WWW"); and 2) to include a citation to a reliably published source for the information - preferably one with no connection to the subject. However, I'm dubious that it will be appropriate to say anything more about Josh. I observe that the obituary does identify you as "associate director of the Institute of the Environment and Sustainability at U.C.L.A." (you would need to find a published source for your promotion in order to update that) but says nothing more of Josh than his name. Even if you found a source about Josh's work, it would need to identify him as Jonathan's brother in order for it to be mentioned in the article. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Kabini -Title Language Error
Dear Wikipedia,

just observed the language error in "Kabini". This dam is belongs to Kerala and Karnataka, but the title name of the River is given in Tamil, which language belongs to Tamil nadu. Please correct the language.

URL; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabini_River

Regards, Dayananda D Mail — Preceding unsigned comment added by QwertyDaya (talk • contribs) 09:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have reverted an edit which changed Kabini to கபினி.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kabini_River&diff=851911084&oldid=851242321] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Make British English (actual English) an option please!!!
Please can you make British English an option for reading articles. It makes for very unpleasant reading when everything is Americanised. It seems like all articles have been defaulted so that all words are spelled in American English which just looks so odd to me since I have been using British English all my life. British people do NOT like reading and writing using Americanisations. Please change it back!

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.254.226 (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What you want is not technically possible. However, articles are typically written in the version of English most related to the geographical area the subject is relevant to(or mostly so).  Elizabeth II will be written in British English, while Donald Trump will be written in American English, and Jacinda Ardern is written with New Zealand English.  Please read WP:ENGVAR for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Will writing about Donald Trump in New Zealand English force him to move there? :)Naraht (talk) 16:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What did New Zealand ever do to you? :) † dismas †|(talk) 20:39, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

error in date
mother india release date is 1987 but on Wikipedia it is 1957 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.209.162.231 (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I presume you mean our ffeatured article Mother India. It looks correct to me and the sources. Care to explain why it's wrong? - X201 (talk) 11:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Mother India (disambiguation) shows three fims called Mother India. The article Mother India is definitely about a film from 1957. I haven't found a 1987 film anywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest/Museum Curator type
Hello,

I've just edited the Naughton Gallery at Queen's page but then became confused with the Conflict of Interest page which both states that I should not be updating the wikipedia page because I am a paid employee but then also says that curators (and the like) are encouraged to update wikipedia. Could you please clarify for me whether we can update our own gallery wikipedia page?

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamsinmh (talk • contribs) 13:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying to help us out. The confusion is understandable. We value your expertise as a museum curator, and we want you to edit directly in articles that are not about your institution (e.g., articles about subjects you know about because you have examples in your collection). We also want your input about your own institution, but we want it at one remove, because you have an unavoidable conflict of interest, which makes it almost impossible to avoid slanting your edits. This is not a criticism: we all do it. Therefore, please suggest edits in a new section on the article's talk page. Another editor will then edit the article on your behalf. Please read our policies at WP:COI and WP:PAID. And thanks again for your efforts. -Arch dude (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I just moved the article to The Naughton Gallery at Queen's. The article is on my watch list - you can post on the talk page to let me know if you need any editing help, so as to not run afoul of Wikipedia's COI guideliens. The article should have more sourcing from reliable third party media sources - it's quite bare now. I googled the Museum on the Belfast Telegraph and Irish News sites and couldn't find any coverage about the museum, just coverage of the exhibits. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_State_Ministry_of_Transport
Good afternoon.

I made some edits yesterday on this page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_State_Ministry_of_Transport. When I checked today, I found my edits had been removed.

I want to edit the name of the Ministry Executive or Commissioner and change the headquater address to the correct address.

I will be greatful if I can get all need supported.

Benxg (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, please provide reliable rources to support your edits, this helps other users verify that your edits are accurate. Iffy★Chat -- 14:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I and others have replied to this at the Teahouse. Please do not post the same question in two places. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Removing Conflicting Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhedh This page contains racial word in the heading as well as whole article. please remove it as soon as possible. these words are banned as per constitution of India and those degrades untouchable communities across the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thevishalsonara (talk • contribs) 14:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not based in India. Try looking for a reason based on our policies and guidelines. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored. There are tens of thousands of articles that are offensive to one group or another. This website is largely physically located in the United States and not subject to the Constitution of India. If it offends you, you should not view the page. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * If you have reliable sources, (which should be easy in this case) you may add a paragraph to that article to describe the situation. -Arch dude (talk) 15:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thevishalsonara, I understand what you mean. Rather than classify the community as untouchables per se, I've rewritten the statement to denote the actual context – that the community has been considered untouchable by upper castes in India. Hope that puts things in the right context. Write back for more help. Warmly, Lourdes  16:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Nepal at the 2009 World Championships in Athletics = how to word results
I happened upon Nepal at the 2009 World Championships in Athletics and noticed it was written in the future tense ("Nepal will compete..."). A quick history check shows only bot/maintenance edits since 2009. A quick check of 2009 World Championships in Athletics – Women's 100 metres, 2009 World Championships in Athletics – Men's 1500 metres, and the IAAF RESULTS show the complete results of all heats with no mention of either athlete, though. The implication is that the two athletes mentioned (Keshari Chaudhari and Hari Kumar Rimal) did not compete.

But... I feel strange putting both athletes down as "did not compete" or reducing "number of competitors" to zero, especially if I don't know the backstory (i.e. they chose not to compete vs. they couldn't afford to, vs. whatever).

Any suggestions on how I should phrase this?

-- KNHaw  (talk)  16:31, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If none of the athletes competed, then the article should probably be deleted. The easiest way to request deletion of an article is to add (your reason here) to the article, and unless someone objects, it will be deleted in 1 week's time. Iffy★Chat -- 16:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * They were listed on the list of entries (the ref in the article), so it makes some sense for the article to remain, with whatever further information can be sourced. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok. So it seems to me the article should stay and a phrase to the effect of "While both athletes were entered, neither competed in their respective events."  How about that?  -- KNHaw   (talk)  19:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:Chart appearance problem
When I used Template:Chart, some of the functions of it go seriously wrong.

There are some different parameters dedicated to show different styles of lines in a family tree, but in mobile view, the effect of
 * "(" and "'" are the same, so does that of
 * "C" and "J"
 * "G" and "Z"
 * "c" and "ic" and etc.

Template:Family tree is having a same problem (though being deprecated), and I can't do anything, because it's protected and it's like a problem from the source, not like if I can fix it by editing some codes of the template. Seeing that this error has effected all family tree exist in all wikis, how is this bug supposed to be fixed? - George6VI (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Template talk:Chart would be the place to discuss problems with Template:Chart. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * But no one seems to fix it. Who are the ones that are usually do such modifications? Apparently not normal editors like me, because I know nothing about the monstrous source codes behind. - George6VI (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Section on Controversy in Wiipedia's article on James M. Buchanan
As a regular user and an annual financial contributor to Wikimedia; It would be useful to require critics to make specific references when contesting the truthfulness of the author of a book as in the last line of the below quote:

The book has garnered heavy criticism from both libertarian and non-libertarian writers for its perceived flaws in the use of quotes, sources, and the accuracy of its overall thesis.[23] In particular, the claim that Buchanan supported segregation has been disputed as untrue and contradicted by evidence that MacLean's book omits.

MacLean footnoted much of what she wrote. Let's require chapter and verse for Wikipedia assertions (that Maclean claimed that Buchanan supported segregation and chapter and very of the evidence that contradicts her assertion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.237.171.154 (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. The proper place to discuss a particular article is on that article's talk page (Talk:James M. Buchanan) not here. If the participants in the discussion are unable to reach consensus, Dispute resolution says what are the next steps. --ColinFine (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Rinne Tsujikubo
I am searching everywhere the Japanese name of Rinne Tsujikubo, the young world champion of math. Can you write her name in Japanese? Thanks!!! --62.18.1.21 (talk) 18:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. It seems to be 辻窪凛音. (I found this by looking at the Chinese version of The Brain (game show)): the Chinese often use kanji for Japanese names, even though they would be pronounced entirely differently. I then looked up the four characters in Nelson's Anglo Japanese Character Dictionary, and got "Tsujikubo Rinne" (in that order - Japanese names put the family name first). There is no article with that name in ja.wiki, but it does occur in the Japanese version of Memory sport. --ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep! Thanks!!!--62.18.89.149 (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Corrected the dates and reason for the radio broadcasts being stopped in 2002, as confirmed by the Chicago Tribune Sept. 13, 2002
Removed input citing a source that cannot be verifed - link [6] does not work and information does not reflect events as recorded by the Chicago Tribune.

Operalover2018 (talk) 19:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * This would appear to relate to article Lyric Opera of Chicago. Rojomoke (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Citing Lecture and Presentation materials, and a book via a website
First off, I'm looking for advice on citing a video lecture and it's accompanying pdf presentation materials in a single citation for the Lathe article. Does anyone have recommendations about how to do that? Here is the lecture, and I want to also cite pages 18-21 of the accompanying presentation materials. I've gone ahead and used cite web in the article for now, but I'm not happy that I can only cite the lecture video or the presentation materials:

Separately, I'd like some advice on how to cite a website that is citing a book. The web citation is as follows:

But the website actually attributes the claim to the following book:

I don't have access to the book, so I'm citing the book via this website - any thoughts?

-Furicorn (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You may be able to get help from someone over at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request who has access to a library that has this book. -Arch dude (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)